Everyone 5+ years of age can get vaccinated. Are your kids?

[Twalli]

My girlfriend's sister just signed up all but her eldest daughter to get vaccinated (the eldest is over 13 and already vaccinated). She has 4 (and her husband has a 2, so 5 unvaccinated kids).

[Floppy2112]

There is not way in hell I would give my 5 yr old this shit. They don't need it and they wouldn't get it. This is a little much. And there is going to be a war over it because the geniuses running our government into the ground are going to demand it and parents are (rightfully) going to tell the government to fuck itself.
The adage, "You can mess with me all you want, just don't mess with my kids." Is the truest thing a parent ever says. Parents will maim, hurt, kill and destroy to defend their children, way more than they would defend themselves.

[Friendlybro79]

People say this about their kids but if the virus attacked young people more aggressively you'd be the first person in line with your kids. Everyone has a big mouth until they're staring down a barrel.

[Floppy2112]

@Friendlybro79 And if it were the bubonic plague or airborne Ebola, we'd act differently still. But it's not that.
So the virus doesn't attack young people more aggressively it attacks them less aggressively. Deal with the facts on the ground, not hypotheticals.

[Twalli]

Kids are less likely to get it, but the mortality rate of those that do get it is roughly the same.

[Floppy2112]

No, it's not. It's not even close. Where did you get that shit?

[Twalli]

Most people that get it survive. That is true regardless of the person who gets it. Most kids that get it survive. Also fewer kids get it. We saw an uptick in child deaths when the delta variant was sweeping through here because it was more infectious and therefore more kids got COVID-19.

[Floppy2112]

Where did you see the mortality rate for children being roughly equal to the rest of the population? I know uncle joe said 146,000 kids died from covid, but outside of his delusional world, where is this a reality?

[Twalli]

I don't have the numbers on hand, but if you do the math from the data readily available it is almost exactly even (% of infected that die). We need to understand that unless this is a computer stimulation we"d never actually make it exactly even.

[Floppy2112]

I got the numbers for you... I don't need to do math, it's not even remotely close.

data.unicef.org/topic/child-survival/covid-19/

[Twalli]

What you need to look at is total deaths divided by total cases to get the average mortality rate. Then go a sep further by looking at in age brackets. If we assume one is a child up to 18 it's close to equal. Besides slight care differences we're also ignoring those that were asymptomatic.

[Floppy2112]

I don't need to manipulate the data so it gives me the results you want. It's fine as is and it says there is very little risk to small children. That's all I need to know. They've already calculated the mean, median, mode and standard deviation. I understand it.

[whosnumber1]

long story short Yes! ... I'm not an anti-vaxer by any stretch but it's such a new vaccine it does make me a little nervous giving it to the most important things in my life...

[Twalli]

It's been field tested pretty extensively and the vast majority of people that got it were fine.

[whosnumber1]

ya I know, my wife is in medicine. it's still a little unnerving. and my 5 yr old is going to get it.

[Razp_Sorbet]

If I had kids they would. I know my family members kids are.

[t-8900]

My girlfriend wouldn't allow ours thats for damn sure. She hasn't gotten it and I somewhat regret getting mine. So I guess we have a conclusion. If it gets so bad that they can get them without parental consent kind of like how they are pushing with the trans stuff then I most certainly will do every goddamn thing in my power to make sure my kids are homeschooled.

[kitkills]

You know that it's really fuckin hard for trans people to get Hormone Replacement Therapy? You can't do jack SHIT without parental consent. Try that one again

[t-8900]

@kitkills read what i said again, word for word.

anyways:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scWdhTCu130

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulYHVRkm-oM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxXTvGmjvuo

[kitkills]

Oh because that's definitely not cherry picked as fuck 😂

[kitkills]

Furthermore, you need a doctor's note, a therapist diagnosis, and a fuck ton of money, time, and a parent willing to let their child live. ALSO, you can't go on hormones until at least 16 like everywhere, only hormone blockers, which once stopped, continue their normal puberty as if nothing happened.

[t-8900]

@kitkills right but I'm saying if that shit ever changes its an issue. And tbh who the hell knows where society will be in 10, 15, 20 years. I feel like we're going backwards in many ways. We've overcome a lot of racism (still plenty there though) and we've given people rights to marry who they want. But we still have issues where I think people need mental help and instead they're getting those treatments done. But w/e. if i dont have kids I dont have a hat in the fight. And honestly sometimes I wonder if I still even want kids in this f*cked up society we live in now.

[kitkills]

With those beliefs, I don't think you should have kids.

[t-8900]

@kitkills good for you sicko. Not all of us are degenerates that give into hedonism like that

[DarkWinterNights]

When did everyone put all of their faith in big pharma’s sudden care for everyone’s well being? They don’t make cures. They make dependents. And in my opinion to give your child experimental medical procedures without solid long term data is very short sighted. I think over the next couple of years there are going to be a lot of new health issues developing.

[Twalli]

Because the Polio vaccine had adequate testing?

[DarkWinterNights]

Specifically how is Polio and the Polio vaccine comparable to Covid and the Covid vaccine?

[Twalli]

Faith in the production of the vaccine

[RationalMale]

Given how low risk children are for covid and how the 'vaccines' are giving such myocarditis and pericarditis risk to small children, vaccinating kids seems like sacrificing the young to save the old.

[Twalli]

One kills, one doesn't.

[RationalMale]

Actually given the amount of covid vaccine deaths reported in VAERS yes the vaccines kill a lot of people.

[RationalMale]

To be honest I am truly amazed how much faith people have in trump and big pharma when it comes to covid vaccines.

[kitkills]

Exactly

[Twalli]

Do they die after getting the vaccine or die because of the vaccine?

[RationalMale]

Thank you for not disputing how many people are dropping dead shortly after getting a dose of politicians/big pharma in the arm.

[RationalMale]

@kitkills isn't it mind blowing? Like how on earth do these people have so much blind faith.

[kitkills]

@RationalMale Absolutely. They act like the people in charge actually care about public health and aren't just focused on making money. It's kind of tragic. Following everything blindly never leads to anything good.

[Twalli]

@kitkills consideringvthe vaccine is free. I don't see a lot if financial incentive here.

[RationalMale]

Pardon? You realize that even if you get the vaccine for "free" someone is paying for it? Like do you think Pfizer/moderna dug into I to their savings and made 300,000,000 vaccines free of charge to give away?

[Twalli]

They can't jack up the prices and it's free for the people getting the vaccine.

[Friendlybro79]

@RationalMale you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Stop spreading misinformation. It's getting so ridiculous how many people can't add.

[RationalMale]

@Friendlybro79 You're literally delusional if you think the covid vaccines are free.

[Levin]

I'm sure I heard a figure quoted of 23billion vaccinated profits for pfizer for a period.

[Friendlybro79]

@RationalMale I know they aren't free. I'm referring to your comments about the vaccines and your uneducated opinions in general.

[RationalMale]

@Friendlybro79 Really? Let's go to verified facts then. Such as the Salk Institute found that the spike protein by itself in COVID damages your tissue, especially your arteries. www.salk.edu/.../

The MRNA covid vaccines basically make your own cells produce the spike protein so your body will then fight the protein and learn to recognize it as hostile. www.nebraskamed.com/.../where-mrna-vaccines-and-spike-proteins-go

And despite the tech ban of anything suggesting the covid vaccine can hurt you, it got so bad it's publicly recognized the vaccine is causing inflammation of the heart and pericardium. Which even when mild will result in you going to a cardiologist for months having echos and exams done since myocarditis often leads to heart failure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjX_AAJCRso

[Friendlybro79]

@RationalMale

factcheck.afp.com/posts-misrepresent-us-study-dangers-coronavirus-spike-protein

Here's a quote from the above link.
Spike proteins
The misleading posts misrepresent the implications of the study for the safety of Covid-19 vaccines.

The Salk Institute's study concluded that Covid-19 vaccines are an effective and safe way to protect people from the virus.

The study’s last sentence says that when someone receives a Covid-19 vaccine, it “not only protects the host from SARS-CoV-2 but also inhibits [spike protein] imposed endothelial injury”.

A Salk Institute spokesperson told AFP the spike proteins in Covid-19 vaccines are safe because they only remain in a person's arm muscle for a short period.

"The spike protein in the coronavirus behaves differently from the spike protein in vaccines”, the spokesperson said.

Vaccine safety
Experts told AFP that Covid-19 vaccines do not produce harmful levels of spike proteins.

[Friendlybro79]

@kitkills and you act as if every person in the government is evil and looking to deceive and commit crimes against humanity without nothing more than a feeling.

[Friendlybro79]

@RationalMale like I said you are uneducated in the matter and not smarter than 99% of what all science says. All you're doing is looking for anyone to say the opposite of science so you can feel better about spreading your ignorance. I'm sorry your scared to deal with reality but it's not as bad as you think. The vaccine is safe and you're a fool to think you are smarter than a scientist working on this day and night. You're feelings, opinions, and rando article prove nothing.

[RationalMale]

@Friendlybro79 Aww poor baby, you left so many replies trying to make yourself feel better. It reminds me of when the World Health Organization declared covid couldn't spread human to human. Then when world leaders declared that COVID wasn't serious enough that countries should seal borders. Then when Fauci declared only medical personnel should wear masks.

And the claim that "A Salk Institute spokesperson told AFP the spike proteins in Covid-19 vaccines are safe because they only remain in a person's arm muscle for a short period."

Yeeah, that's already been debunked and now it's public knowledge that the spike protein COVID vaccines are great at causing myocarditis and pericarditis.

You're a midwit who gets lied to repeatedly and then still tries to say the liars are trustworthy.

[Friendlybro79]

@RationalMale keep on trolling if it makes you feel better but we all know you're an imbecile who just disagrees with science. As long as a random article says the opposite of science that's what you say is true because you're a paranoid asshole. Interesting how you didn't cite showing my fact check was debunked.

[RationalMale]

@Friendlybro79 aww poor baby who goes around to other people's comments begging for attention.

[AviatorTom]

My kids are older. My grandkids are not vaccinated and probably won't be (Parents' decision). Too much risk for too little reward.

[Levin]

Child abuse. Just speaking to my pharmacist mate today and he's got pericarditis. Reckons it's from the jabs.

[exitseven]

If my kids were still little I do not think I would get them vaccinated. I got the vaccine myself but I would take a wait and see attitude for a while.

[sawno]

In general or with these bad covid shorts in particular?

[joeldalton]

Vaccinating children is child abuse. Neither of my kids are getting these shots.

[Twalli]

So your kids haven't had any vaccines whatsoever?

[Kingofkings1992]

When did he ever say that? You covidians aren’t too bright are you?

[joeldalton]

They have all their vaccines including gardasil. There’s no reason for children to get these leaky shots for a disease they have a 99.998% chance of surviving where there is no long term data on their safety and that are known to cause heart inflammation.

[Twalli]

"Vaccinating children is child abuse", that is where I got it from. He didn't specify any vaccine.

[joeldalton]

Your question specified the vaccine. I thought you’d be able to follow along.

[Twalli]

If you said "the vaccine" I would have known. Vaccines encompasses all thr variants of the COVID-19 one as we as the multitude of other vaccines out there.

[joeldalton]

You're being pedantic. But now you know the point.

[Twalli]

Now I understand what you mean. Yet can you blame me, because everyone who is against all vaccines is vocal about it now that they aren't a fringe minority kind of like the extremely racist people who because vocal under Trump because they thought he agreed with them. (I am not saying Trump is/was a racist, I am saying racists thought of him as one.)

[joeldalton]

The point still stands. For children, the covid shots are more dangerous than the disease.

[Twalli]

Since children have died from COVID-19 and nobody has died from the vaccine (at least the US one) I'd say it's safer. It won't kill thrm, COVID-19 might.

[joeldalton]

1) That's BS that no one has died from the vaccine in the US
2) More children die from falling down steps than from Covid - you're not advocating for all houses to be converted to ranch homes, so children dying is not really a concern of yours.

[Kingofkings1992]

Children do not die from Covid. A child has a better chance of dying in a car accident than they do from covid. I don’t hear you advocating that cars be taken off the road.

[Twalli]

@Kingofkings1992 Chilren can die from COVID-19, the likliehood is lower than it has for others, but it's still there. What people fail. to understand is that most people recover. Yet with over 5 million dead, far too many people are getting it. The survival rate of Spanish Influenza was extremely high too, yet it was so infectious that the death toll was catastrophic.

[joeldalton]

But these shots don't stop the spread of the virus. So what is giving children the shot going to help?

[Naydyonov]

I think it is unnecessary. Almost no children have died from covid and all those who died had other conditions.

[Twalli]

So if you had s child, how would you like your child to be among the almost no children that died?

[Naydyonov]

If I had a child, without a vaccine they'd still be safe. If my child already had a weak immune system, then (consulting with a doctor) I would seriously consider it.
In America, 576 people aged 0-17 have died from Covid. In comparison, 435 children aged 0-5 have died in car accidents in only 2019.
Covid has lasted 2 years, so in this period of time, ~890 children ages 0-5 have died in car accidents. 847 children 5-14 died in 2019 too. So again, multiplied by two, this is 1694 children.
Taken together, this is ~2,584 children ages 0-14. Meanwhile, 576 covid deaths is among those aged 0-17. Add in those 15-17 who've died in car accidents, it'd be an extra ~500 children.
So we're taking about ~3000 vs 576.
Yet, while driving deaths are random, child deaths from covid are not. Almost every single of these 576 children had other medical conditions. Almost none were healthy prior to covid.
So, unlike with driving, it is very clear who needs the most protection and who does not really need it.

[Twalli]

The kids they infect need them to be vaccinated.

[Naydyonov]

If the vaccine works, then immunocompromised children who are vaccinated will be protected, regardless of the vaccination status of other children

[Twalli]

No. I am, ai got the vaccine and it didn't take. It's actually far more likely that the vaccine will do nothing for those of us that are immunocompromised. The best way to protect us is for everyone else to be vaccinated.

[Naydyonov]

Why would the vaccine not help?

[Twalli]

Because for us vaccines tey to stimulate what we lack. In other words the vaccine is trying to stimulate what I don't have to create antibodies towards it. Since there's nothing to create antibodies towards it, bone are being created. I mean the actual issue is different for each person, but the end result is the same. We can't mount an immune response for whatever reason. The only way I can be inoculated against COVID-19 is if the plasma infusions I get every 28 days (exactly) have the antibodies in them. The surest way for that to happen is for the VAST majority >75% of the adult population to get vaccinated.

[Naydyonov]

I don't know enough about this, but I still have to imagine that with the most constant factor being you, it is best for you to be immune, rather than depending on others. Breakthrough cases exist, meaning you'd still be at risk without a vaccine of your own even if 100% of healthy people were vaccinated.

[Twalli]

It would be best doe me ri ge immune, yet that clearly didn't happen. There was a 25% chance the vaccine would have worked anyway, so it failing was highly likely. Fact is, I did all I could to be immune. It didn't work. The way I see it anyone who chooses to be unvaccinated because of "liberty" has decided that liberty>life. And since we don't have the freedom to kill people and their actions will kill people they should be charged for murder.

[Naydyonov]

Murder could be argued if the person is sick and knows it, spreads it to others.
But anyone can become infected, not know it, and accidentally infect someone else. Vaccination affects how often this happens, but this possibility exists regardless of vaccination status

[MJtheCoach]

Stop calling it that. They’re actual slow lethal injection.


we live in a lot old of anti thinkers so.. we’re all F##ked

[Kingofkings1992]

There’s no good reason for a child to take the shot. What’s wrong with you people?

[Twalli]

Um they probably won't get COVID-19, which means they're less likely to die from it.

[Kingofkings1992]

A child’s chances of catching the virus are next to zero, let alone dying from it. You just won’t let go of this false rhetoric that the radical far left keeps pushing on you. Good grief buddy, wake up.

[Twalli]

I know the likelihood of children getting it is low. If it wasn't (despite the travesty of education last year) schools would still be virtual. Yet children can get it, the vaccine essentially makes them immune to it, since they already probably won't get it in the first place.

[Friendlybro79]

Or spread it to you or their grandparents but i forgot 50% of America doesn't care about old people dying because they've lived long enough or were probably going to die anyway so.. I guess freedom means freedom to spread this to anyone you feel like

[loves2learn]

If we can get a darned appointment!

[Twalli]

You may just be able to get it at Walgreens or CVS

[loves2learn]

We’ve been trying. They are booked solid.

[Twalli]

Weird, my girlfriend's sister just showed up. Is your area really populous?

[loves2learn]

Yes it is

[WhiteBoyChill]

Fck the vaccine.

Kids don’t need that shit

[Twalli]

Most parents would disagree with you.

[Nomoturtle]

@Twalli Doctors disagree with you; gov appointed docs in the UK report that the risk is higher than the benefit. Although the government ignored them and went ahead anyway. Trust the science lol. Makes me wonder if there's a financial and political incentive behind this.

[Twalli]

@Nomoturtle That might be true over there. Just like we don't take the same vaccine as they do in Trinidad in the U. S. we also don't take the same vaccine taken in the U. K. in the U. S.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Actually most parents are very unhappy about the vaccine mandates

[Twalli]

Because they can't choose.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Exactly

[Fuentes]

I honestly feel its sad