I know science is cool and has done unbelievable things. But how on earths does rubbing someone's shoulder with a gel stop sperm for working?
Like... I need some clear answers on this one lol. And of course if it was safe and worked I would see no reason not to take it.
"The gel contains segesterone acetate, a synthetic progestin, which blocks natural testosterone production in the testes and reduces sperm production. The gel also contains replacement testosterone to help maintain normal sex drive and other functions dependent on the hormone."
You apply it daily to each shoulder and it's absorbed through the skin there's one that's already passed clinical trials for women
Yikes 😳. No, however, one more thing to add to the joint Medical review āCheck Listā as Relationship forged to the next level.
-In the name of āActual Characterā a couple criminal, credit, and medical histories before 💍 should be completed. EVEN if straightforward revelations have been a Relationship tenet.
And of course societal behavioral pattern as well as financial revelations will be a by-product of such Commitment.
There are other contraceptive pills for men this is not the first one. I gave up birth control pills after being on it for 15 years and Iāve been feeling better than ever. Itās up to my partner I wouldnāt want to put my partner through all that after what Iāve experienced with pillās side effects. I believe that no one should be on medication/pills long term.
There is no male contraceptive pill on the market. None have passed trials
Fantastic. Finally. The lion's share of responsibility for contraception is now no longer unfairly placed on the female. If I were a guy, I would be thrilled to know that I now have more solid, medical options to control which woman will get pregnant with my child and which will not.
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We are past the point where we need to worry about it.
Its just another drug for legal drug pushers (doctors) to sell you.
No pharmaceutical is found to be safe to the human body.
Just look up the side effects of Tylenol alone.
How about chicken pox vaccine?
Big pharma is banking on people being stupid and being a sheep.
Are you a sheep?
My drugs are free š
Theyāve been doing male birth control for a long time. Itās extremely harmful to males and caused increased suicide rates, depression, severe acne, violence, and mood swings. Itās just easier to control the uterus than testicles. Hormone manipulation in women is a natural occurring thing through menstruation, whereas males have testosterone which is extremely hard to manipulate and causes severe side effects if changed. The vest form of birth control for men is vasectomy, and thatās usually permanent after a short period of time.
This is a non hormonal birth control.
"The gel contains segesterone acetate, a synthetic progestin, which blocks natural testosterone production in the testes"
Non-hormonal?
@RagnarRedbeard the post is initially about the birth control pill. I just mentioned the gel at the end.
I agree the shit is dangers
How exactly does the pill work if it doesnāt effect hormones? That doesnāt seem possible.
"Retinoic acid needs to interact with RAR-alpha to perform these functions, and knocking out the RAR-Ī± gene in male mice makes them sterile, without any obvious side effects"
Interesting. According to medline. gov, RAR-alpha is a transcription protein that helps in the formation of white blood cells in bone marrow called promyelocytes. Mutations in this transcription factor can cause acute promyelocyte leukemia, a cancer. I assume whatever they are doing would inhibit the formation of this protein, not causing leukemia but lower bown density and a weakened immune system. Perhaps those side rffects are worth the birth control effects. I would like to look into this.
Hell no!
We can be certain that the real agenda will be to make men sterile and to cause testicular and prostate cancer.
Big pharma is evil and an integral part of the eliteās global population reduction plan.
Anyone who does not understand that has not been paying attention.
Bingo
@humanearth yea
Yeah big pharma is evil until you get a killer headache or a disease š
m "apparently not"
is not the same as "NO side effects" or, "no significant" side effects
best to wait for what the trials and further studies will show... and more important than that, the independent reviews and interpretations for those clinical trials and studies... pharmaceutics are well known for being their own reviewers to further their own interests, lol
No apparent side effects means that there is nothing obvious shown in the mice. And of course you have to wait, that's how clinical trials work.
yeah... that's why I said it is best to wait till independent reviews
even the FDA will drop the ball on it sometimes... when they're supposed to regulate these things
The differences between male and female fertility mean that male birth control is way, way more dangerous than female birth control if it is to be effective. Given whatās considered āsafeā these days I wouldnāt touch this shit with a 29.5 foot pool. If someone rubbed this shit on my shoulder Iād rub em out of this fucking world
Nah, Iāve had health issues all my life and if Iāve learned anything, itās that all medicine has side effects. Either short term or long term. Mild or severe. When youāre dealing with fertility there is a lot that can go wrong, and very wrong. Men already have record low levels of testosterone and increasing rates of infertility. With less and less men actually having sex, I think this is coming out far too late all other issues aside. Iāll stick with abstinence and condoms.
I wouldnāt take it birth control is split between both sexes. Women take a pill and MAKE SURE the dude wears a condom and pulls out, While the man should wear a condom (decreases sexual experience) but is quite effective especially when combined with pull out. Not trying to be rude, but pulling out and experiencing 50-75% less sensation is enough and effective already
I wouldn't date a guy whos taking BC. I dont take it so i wouldn't want the guy on it either. Who knows what the side effects are... i just hope heās honest about whether or not heās on stuff like that
I would have to see the side effects first.
I don't think anything that changes your body's natural function that much can be good for you. I don't think female birth control is really safe either. I know women who had bad experiences with it.
I've always been fine with condoms, I don't mind them.
I am all for being used in the trials if that means having sex to see if she gets pregnantā¦. Lol. J/K. I would be for it if it has no side effects.
@Razp_Sorbet Wouldnāt it be better if both male and female were on birth control?
Yes of course the would practically eliminate the chance of getting pregnant. By thoughts are if this has very minimal side effects then it would be great for couples who the woman in the relationship has a hard time with the birth control options. Most female birth control is hormonal and the one that isn't can be incredibly painful to insert and if accidentally pregnant likely to cause a miscarriage so the whole experience could end up traumatic
so, you're saying i have to trust mens to be responsible about birth control in order to be sure that I will not end up pregnant?
hummmmmm. no thanks
Yeah, men will just put hair gel on and say its birth control
Should only really be relying on birth control when in a committed relationship. Otherwise you should be using condoms š
@swettannie Might not be a bad idea. It would make it more difficult for women to trap men w/ pregnancy
@Vegasrunner yea and it will keep women taking birth control if they don't want a baby, and they wouldn't forget so like...
@swettannie lol how can men trust women too?
@Parzival226 Well we would have control. We would probably have a lot less single mothers.
contraceptive pills aren't good for your body. long term use will affect your health along with reproductive health. No doctor has ever said birth control pills are healthy at all. In fact they've all advised against it.
We know how guys are they canāt even clean their toilet when they pee so chances are they are going to forgot taking the pill or take a gum and call it a day
Its true , and we would even lie we took it 1 month later you are knocked oh the pill didnot work š¤£
@Juxtapose germier yeah because of kids and higher foot traffic. But over all cleanliness and smell...
Yes but here's the thing. the assholes from the state with a 1 star rating.. Featuring Cancun Cruz and Abbott.. will probably side with it.. then they will have to allow women to do the same. And of course they will cry.."but... but.. the Bible Says"... The Bible also says you are a fucking jackass
If its non hormonal and had no side effects and no chance of permanent issues and has been in use for a decade or longer then id consider it. Personally i prefer no contraception and just risk pregnancy every time on pulling out if i feel like it. That is perfectly fine with me.
No, both men and women shouldn't take any pills, do any operations for it or insert all kinds of things.
I have seen too many side effect cases in the hospital where my wife works.
Either use a condom or pull out. Or just in the butt and elsewhere. Best/healthiest ways.
Iām pretty conservative I donāt believe in birth control (no Iām not Catholic) but I also do NOT believe in premarital affairs so thereās no danger of me getting into a bad situation where I would even NEED a contraceptive.
If I have a girlfriend I would it to protect her from pregnancy by taking it
Motherfucker. I ain't no mouse.
They can stick that pill, along with their others, right up their arses!
š how do you think medications are initially tested... I'll give you a hint on mice and monkeys
More testing required but it never hurt to have more contraceptive options rather than less. I'll still wait at least a few years until the data pool can pull from real world usage data rather than pilot trials performed on mice.
Depends on the side-effects. I'd try it out probably, if the trials are do e probably. Not like the shit show that this COVID vaccine was. I'm so happy i didn't take it.
How are people still this ignorant
"this ignorant" meaning what?
You know exactly what I mean. It's like you choose to ignore the information that is right infront of you. Amazing.
what exact part of the information that i have am i ignoring? i'm assuming you now what information i have, if you're making such claims.
or is it just that you're referring to a vague mainstream opinion and don't actually know what you're talking about?
You're insinuating that the covid vaccine trials weren't done properly. Which is incorrect the information is there for you to find.
they weren't done properly they were released and certified under "emergency exceptions". they invented a new "telescopic procedure" (that was never applied with any medicine before), which basically means "skipping the long term effect trials" that were previously mandatory for every medicine and "replacing them with more short term trials" . those mechanisms were in place to prevent horrible stuff like Contergan/thalidomide from happening again.
and why did we make this exception? for a flu type disease that wasn't "new" in principle. just another variation of a flu type disease. shit that happens every year. but this time they fear mongered us into believing it's the new modern pest that may kill everyone.
you'd also believe them if they said the sky is green or if they pissed on your leg and told you it's raining, wouldn't you? you didn't read any of the actual publications did you? well if you just watch the 5 o`clock news, facebook, tiktok and twitter, that's understandable actually.
don't tell others they are ignorant if you don't know what they know...
in case you're not up to date. this new and oh so great vaccine has caused more accumulated hours "sick leave from work" (no idea if that is the correct way of saying this in English) than covid did. and it has, in the very short time that it is around, already caused more bad side-effects than every other vaccine on the market during the last 10 years combined.
@Razp_Sorbet Um, you choose to ignore the information that is right in front of you. You are supposedly 24, right off the bat, that information tells me you are a moron for taking the vaccine. Plain and simple. If you want to tell us about the inefficacy especially in a healthy case of someone in their mid twenties vs the good, as in risk to reward ratio, we'd love to hear it.
Emergency use authorization doesn't change anything about the trials other than the fact that they happen at the same time as the vaccine is being mass produced, so if the vaccine passed clinical trials it's all ready to be distributed. There is also a very big difference in how a drug that you take daily affects your body compared to a vaccine which is broken down by your body in a matter of a week. Long term effects do not exist for vaccines because of how quickly it is broken down and its not something you have daily (most side effects show within 8 weeks of receiving the dose).
Yes it did change the trials. Normally any medicine would take a least 5 years in exceptions to hit the market. Regularly 7 years... Not half a year.
And with this mRNA method that is completely need it was promised that this doesn't change our DNA. Yet it was already proven that RNA reverse transcription happens in liver cells. We don't even know what the heck that means yet... We should have tested this before giving it to everyone.
Need=new*
I'm not ignoring the fact that this vaccine ever so slightly reduces your already very low risk to end up in hospital. But the risk is too me just not with it. Telling me I'm ignorant for deciding that is stupid and ignorant.
Clinical trials last years because they do everything in stages, for vaccines stage 1 they test the dose level safety on a few dozen people, for a year just stabbing a bunch of random people to see how they react (not all at the same time). Stage 2 they recruit hundreds of people to test immunogenicity and safety. again they do this over the course of a year but not all at once. Stage 3 takes the longest as they recruit thousands of people to test the efficacy of the vaccine. And then they spend forever gathering all the data, waiting for funding, and waiting for approval. The covid 19 vaccines happened like this-
Stage 1 trials began in March 2020, stage 2 began before stage 1 ended, for some they combined them so they happened at exactly the same time, everything was still measured as normal. Stage 3 happened before stage 2 was complete and some combined those. Typically a clinical trial has up to 3000 participants, Pfizer-BioNTech had over 14x more participants in their trials. I would also like to remind you that many vaccines for the covid 19 were scrapped through the trial process. One which was made in Australia was scrapped simply because it was making people have a false positive test for HIV.
It's your choice to get the vaccine or not I don't care if you do or don't, what I care about is people spreading misinformation and fear mongering when they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. 99% of people I have talked to about this vaccine reference VAERS which just immediately shows me they will only cherry pick information that they have already decided is true in their head.
Well this is fascinating but I think he needs to be go on several trials to be sure it doesn't have any negative effects
That's how clinical trials work.
@Razp_Sorbet yep. lets see how it turns out
Definitely! If it's non hormonal then it would be better to have that way round than having women have to take a pill that literally changes their hormonal levels!
Sounds like a great idea!!! 😊
Depends on your philosophical stance on life but I understand what you mean š
Whether you belive sperms constitute as life
I'm not trying to tell you if they are or not š that's something you decide, but personally no I don't belive sperm are alive, they are technically only one half of a genetic code needed for life, I personally don't see them as a living being, as outside of your body they have no ability to live, and that they don't have the basic traits we consider to define life, they have no brain or ability to think, they cannot reproduce of their own accord and they don't consume energy or excrete waste š
But like I say it's it's philosophical stance not a fact, you have to decide how you feel š
Yeah absolutely, like insay it's it's philosophical difference of opinion, I do completely understand where you're coming from, I just know that the female contraceptive has a litany of side affects due to the fact that it stops pregnancy by altering hormonal levels, and can come with a scary long list of side effects, so if there is a non hormonal pill I could see the benefit š
Also I kind of think that even if you see sperm as alive it's comparably no different to a condom or the female contraceptive, also you have to think, even during a successful conception, millions of sperm would "die" as only one could fertilise the egg, also it would make it no different to masterbation as that would have the same result too!
But thank you so much for just having a reasonable conversation where we can both express our views without derision of the other! š„°
Thank you! It's always nice to meet new people and especially when they can be adult about a difference of opinion! š„°
@sissyalexa Question being, when does life begin? Definitely not before fertilization of the egg, and possibly much later when sustainable outside of the womb without any unnatural support.
No need for it, since I don't sleep around or having an active partner. I am more worried about stds than pregnancies. And a pill wouldn't help against that so, still need condom.
99% effectiveness is better than condoms which I understand are 85% and the pill which is 91%. I would use it and have my SO apply it so we are both certain it is being used.
Everything is 95-99% effective when used correctly
My wife and I went all natural. We've had our kids, now I've had a vasectomy.
Neither of us used birth control ever. No hormones screwing up our systems.
Its not only about getting someone pregnant but sexual diseases as well so it won't fix the need to wear a condom.
Well you should really only be relying on only contraception in long term relationships not one night stands
I thought these were already in, but they stop making them due to the fact most guys wouldn't take them. What's the point when its usually women who do that on their own
This is a different one. The last one failed clinical trials. What's the point? Men being able to finally take responsibility š
Good for you, some people prefer without condoms š
Combined with existing BC, sounds like a great idea.
In the past I would have considered taking it. However, since I have had a vasectomy and currently there is no possibility of my wife getting pregnant what reason would I have for taking it?
If I didn't already have a vasectomy I would try it out. Non-hormonal is a good selling point, no dude wants that messed with.
No.
If you want 100% guarantees, then don't have sex. Period.
Kindly crawl back under your rock
You can ignore the statement all you want; the reality is that the only guarantee against conception is to not have sex when you aren't ready to come to terms with the possibility, and if your boyfriend isn't on the same page as you in this regard, you probably shouldn't be together.
Your life must be boring back under the rock you go
Well, be honest, would you be interested in fucking as many guys as you could if they were all on this pill?
Birth control shouldn't be used as the main/only contraception when having multiple partners. š
Why? What else is there? If you choose to use abstinence, that means you're NOT fucking.
If you are with multiple people you should be using condoms.
That's birth control, too.
Oh I see my bad I meant hormonal methods. I. e. the pill, depo, IUD
Basically if you're sleeping around you should be using barrier protection
Yeah, if you don't want to catch or give anything.
No, but i'd consider it if it had enough years of testing to be certain it would not accidentally sterilize me.
I'll stick, to the regular stuff for now. Don't like the idea of my swimmers having their tails chemically removed.
The same guys saying no are the same ones that expect women to take birth control that causes strokes.
A pill with no side effects and a gel that is rubbed in through the shoulder? Sounds hokey to me. At any rate, hell no is my answer.
It's been around for decades.
Called "sleeping pills".
Guaranteed you won't get pregnant once these take effect...😉
Many people are blind to what's really going on. If you could learn the truth on who/what really control the world and their plans for the future of Earth and humans.
You would shit your pants in shock and disbelief
Opps, wrong person
Lmao
The pill? Fuck yes.
Shoulder gel? I don't give a fuck who worked on that. Contraceptive measures are contraceptive measures and shoulder gel is fucking shoulder gel. I don't buy it.
It all depends on the side effects. I don't like putting chemically made drugs in my body but I did get the vaccine ( go figure lol).
I mean technically every drug is chemical
No, but it does sound like a great thing. Idiots will voluntarily sterilise themselves and weed themselves out of the gene pool with these things.
Nope. Never!!! Iād rather just use a condom then take these chemicals. Iām sure 30 years from now youāll have lawyers asking if you took these pills you may have a lawsuit.
I doubt at this point that I'll ever have any use for it.
God yes. My wife would secretly put it in my bourbon.
Nah. Iām pretty much birth control with legs. I plan to stay celibate /virgin
I'm practically the same way except that it has NOTHING to do with me PLANNING it. Why would I need to take this shit when it's highly unlikely that I'll ever get laid again, anyway?
Gel to rub on our shoulder and it makes us unable to get women pregnant?
i think that sounds as silly as homeopathy but if it works, then it's great.
i however would not benefit from it. For some reason women don't love me 🤷🏻
I think that's awesome. Still wouldn't take it until it's been thoroughly tested in human men. Some side effects take years to manifest
Lol mice. Dirty things. They should do it. Lol. The guys not the mice. Lol.
Mice are very clean š¤
@Sophia001 How would you have sex with a mouse?
Lol no, condoms exist for a reason.
Even then, imagine having protected sex instead of having 5 kids.
Sounds great, but girlfriendās tunes are tied so not necessary in my corner of the world. Would ai take it if they werenāt? Sure.
99% isn't enough, make it 100% effective or I'm not bothering.
Female birth control is 98-99% effective.
I'm aware.
Worth trying, I think this will greatly affect the pleasure...
No, castration is better and the Democrats preferred choice to be mandated for all males between 18 and 80 as of next year
Lmfao since when? I've never seen the mention of castration except chemical castration for pedophiles
Several reasons given include curbing overpopulation, ending transphobia, starting a new generation of only perfect Democrats
I've still never seen this.. I've seen people talk about mandatory "reversible" vasectomies, if that's what you're referring to?
No, the mandate will enforce the removal of genitalia for males between those stated ages
Alright sure thing bud.
Watch it happen because once Joey is over the line, it'll start
Many people are blind to what's really going on. If you could learn the truth on who/what really control the world and their plans for the future of Earth and humans.
You would shit your pants in shock and disbelief
@humanearth not blind y'all just never provide any proof
Look for it and you'll find it
Before I do that I would like to donate my sperms ( o wait, I haven't had sex in 10+ years, why would I care?).
*Sounds good though.
I think it's great. However I also think a lot of female groups will be opposed to it and overall it will make the birth rate crash even more.
This sounds like it has potential for bad things to be honest.
I would do it if it only works for a little bit. If it doesn't wear off, then no.
Not too sure about trusting how safe their safe really is after this safe vaccine... 🤣
No way. If you want to use protection you can use condoms. They won't give you side effects.
... Unless someones allergic. So i wouldn't do those either
@DizzyDesii I don't know anyone who's allergic to condoms. It's rare. Way more rare than having complication because of chemistry.
But yeah, I won't do that either if it won't be necessery.
I just need to be in love, in a longterm relationship, and we both get tested
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