Also why are women choosing marriage at the same rate?
Studies show that fewer men each year choose marriage. If there are so many benifits then why are so fewer men choosing marriage?

Also why are women choosing marriage at the same rate?
because truth is... there are plenty of men who can get the benefits of marriage without ever having to commit. why would he marry her if she is ALREADY washing his underwear, helping him pay his bills, raising his kids, cooking his lunch boxes, picking up his laundry from the dry cleaners?
A lot of dumb women are being tricked by men telling them "marriage is just a piece of paper". If marriage is just a worthless piece of paper, then money is just a worthless piece of paper. Commitment is never ever worthless. Talk about being commitment means nothing if you can't prove that you are committed. Marriage is the ultimate form of commitment.
And as for the those who claim that marriage is worthless because you have NO FAITH that your future relationship will last forever... you are exactly the problem! You will never be able to maintain a marriage if you want to escape whenever things get difficult. Marriage is SUPPOSED TO BE through thick and thin. You can't just stay when things are happy but ditch when things get tough. Its not that marriage is not doable... its just that you have a very fucked up mentality on what MARRIAGE IS SUPPOSED TO BE.
If everyone kept abandoning their partners, there would be NO SUCH THING AS FAMILY. Everyone in the US would be in broken families... kids will never have permanent "parents". Society will be filled with single parents, step daddies, bfs / gfs rotating in your childrens lives.
@nastyb Tecnically money is a worthless piece of paper. It only has value if accepted and backed. Unfortunately marriage is a contract and it incentives women to leave while placing all the risk squarely on the man. Women initiate divorce 70% of the time so why would a man enter into a contract that incentives the other party to break it knowing that there is a 70% chance they will break it?
@Vegasrunner
if a woman had to pick between a man who won't marry her versus a man who will marry... she will pick the man who will marry.
your chances of having a family significantly drops if you tell a woman that you don't want to commit to her.
Vast majority of women want a committed man.
@KrakenAttackin
betas are little girls in a weak man's body.
[You and ai both know modern women just see their wedding vows as "suggestions".]
if you treat your wife like shit, she has every right to tear apart those wedding vows.
@Vegasrunner
men aren't the ones who decide who gets married.
truth is... there will always be men who want marriage. and a woman will always pick a man who wants to commit over a guy who doesn't.
a man saying he never wants to marry... is far less likely to ever start a family than a man who does want marriage.
@Vegasrunner. Exactly right! So women marry beta simps who they know they can abuse. These women not only do not love these men, they actually detest them. If you are married to someone you detest you will abuse them in every way possible and never feel bad about it, no matter how hard the simp tries to please her.
Aside from those of us who are religious, there is no reason to marry. Particularly in the west. It is more of a detriment to men than an advantage and the prospects of divorce and having to live in mommyβs basement after subsequent divorce is exceedingly high.
When women return to cooking and baking and caring for the home, instead of trying to compete with men, and in fact trying to be men and doing it poorly. When divorce laws are changed to fairness and when women bring value to the table other than their vagina, perhaps then the situation can be reevaluated.
For men who want children, marriage will be best for the child, or at least a permanent girlfriend.
For men who donβt believe in God or care what he says, and for men not interested in having children, marriage should be avoided at this time.
As for women staying at the same rate, it can only enhance the security of themselves and possible children. Which is something they greatly desire from a relationship. They want stability in return for access to their vagina, which they will grant like once every few months if they feel like it. If the marriage does not work out they get to leave with the child and cash and prizes. Feminism and its effects are directly to blame for low marriage rates. Enough men have watched mom cheat on dad, and dad now living in a studio on the poor side of town after sacrificing himself and wants regularly to get the message.
There is simply nothing in it for a man anymore.
Ask Kevin Costner why not choose marriage. The prenuptial is the ONLY thing that saved his ass. And he's still paying her 62k a month. I'm not saying 62k a month isn't worth the 18 years. He gave to her. I mean considering that was the most productive years. Of her life it probably is. But you have to ask how much would she have made if she had never married him? And she wanted a lot more.
It's sad but it's just a reality of life now. There is very little reason for a guy to marry anymore. You can still get sex, you can still co-habitate. You can still be married in every way except the actual vows. And save exposing yourself financially.
Marriage is unnecessary these days when you can have all the same benefits without the law involved. Men feel like itβs a trap. Iβve been married and divorced and will probably never get married again, because I can be in a committed relationship with a man with out feeling like I am his property. I would have to feel madly in love with a man to go as far as marrying him, maybe when Iβm older Iβll change my mind but right now the thought or mention of marriage makes me want to run for the hills.
in a dating relationship, your partner is not responsible for you. In marriage, your partner is legally responsible for you. Your partner can ditch you overnight, your husband is OBLIGATED to be there for you. There is a security to marriage that you cannot get from a dating relationship.
You will never be able to maintain a marriage if you want to escape whenever things get difficult. Marriage is SUPPOSED TO BE through thick and thin. You can't just stay when things are happy but ditch when things get tough. Its not that marriage is not doable... its just that you have a very fucked up mentality on what MARRIAGE IS SUPPOSED TO BE.
If everyone kept abandoning their partners, there would be NO SUCH THING AS FAMILY. Everyone in the US would be in broken families... kids will never have permanent "parents". Society will be filled with single parents, step daddies, bfs / gfs rotating in your childrens
@Vegasrunner
marriage benefits men. but marriage does not benefit women.
studies show that men make more money after getting married while women make less after getting married.
studies show that men do less housework after marriage while women do more housework.
if women were so happy with marriage, they wouldn't be divorcing.
@nastyb I was married for 13 years, had three children with my ex husband. He was a very selfish narcissistic man. I divorced him because I was done with the lies and the constant financial struggles that he put us through, I was not happy and I did not love him. My children are 10 times better off with him and I not being together. I donβt want nor need a man or anyone for that matter to feel Obligated to be there for me, because that is not love! There was never a sense of security in our relationship. Iβve always been the one to man up and handle and I still do! I do not keep my children from their father but the relationship that he has with them is what he chooses to have. I bust my ass working full time and taking care of my three children. Iβd rather raise my children with the confidence and ability to know how to handle on their own than have them grow up thinking you have to be bound to someone who does not love you just to feel secure. Marriage dose not guarantee love, trust, loyalty and no one deserves to be tied up in a situation that they canβt get out of. In this day and age marriage guarantees nothing!
@mamaliv
Well... yours is the exception. But most people in america don't divorce due to those reasons... its usually something extremely petty.
people chase personality and looks over character and values which is why there are so many divorces.
personality will entertain you and make you want to be with them, but it is character that decides whether or not this person will treat you well 10 years down the road when the passion, infatuation has faded. It is his character that will determine whether or not he will take care of you and the kids properly even during times of conflict. It is his values that determine whether or not he cheats or not during times of conflict.
@mamaliv
[Marriage dose not guarantee love, trust, loyalty and no one deserves to be tied up in a situation that they canβt get out of. In this day and age marriage guarantees nothing!]
who loves you more?
someone who wants you badly enough to propose to you or someone who refuses to ever propose to you because they have absolutely no faith that the relationship will ever work out?
@Vegasrunner
there is no law that forbids women from getting married. so they are allowed to get married as much as they want.
@nastyb right. Maybe we can ask ourselves what marriage did in ancient times that it was considered essential to have. In other words: was there a point getting married in ancient times when things like Romeo and Juliet happened? Was the free thinking of " why get married? " emerged only recently? I don't think that is such a relative recent concept.
I did post a question for the pinks to cite how men benefit from marriage. The few, that have responded ended up with these:
- They live longer and are happier
- They make more money and pay less taxes (or tax breaks)
Obviously I didn't buy into it. It's likely bogus.
If we exclude the richest and the ruling 0.0001% of humans alive today, I was told singles are the richest people in society.
@Unit1 Happier is intangible. TBH it's a fools statement because it's something that can't be proven, which is why women love to use it as a metric. The married men make more money statement is a misleading one, as typically married men have a lower net worth because they insure more expenses then men in the same demo.
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Because men are finally getting wise. Men see what their mothers did their father's, what was done to their uncles, and older brothers.
Modern women want a wedding, but don't want to be wives. Modern women want children but don't want to be mothers. Modern women. Spend their 20's getting run through by 30-50 guys, then look for a simp to pay for everything and have kids with... the. divorce him, take everything, and go back to getting run through.
What man would sign up for this?
Let me add that only 14% of married women identify as "happily married". So 86% of married women are nagging, bitching, and otherwise making their husband life a living hell.
@nasty
If modern women had any integrity at all they would honor their vows.
But alas, they get board with Mr. stable and Mr. predictable and do not love men in the same way men love women. A manβs love of his wife is intense and sacrificial in nature. A womanβs love of her husband is more like a strong admiration at best. Men and women do not love in the same way. When each says: βI love youβ to the other, they mean different things. So women divorce to revert back to their way of life in their 20βs after having children and the children being old enough because largely speaking they want to live soap operas, not watch them.
Modern women in the west are largely unprincipled and beyond selfish, so this should surprise no one. Particularly those of us as whom Kraken stated watched with horror what happened to our fathers and uncles.
@Exterminatore Very well said.
@Exterminatore
[If modern women had any integrity at all they would honor their vows.]
if you had any integrity, you would treat your wife well during marriage so she wouldn't leave.
women are not treated well by marraige... which is why they are divorcing.
marriage benefits men. but marriage does not benefit women.
studies show that men make more money after getting married while women make less after getting married.
studies show that men do less housework after marriage while women do more housework.
if women were so happy with marriage, they wouldn't be divorcing.
Hahaha. Youβre very foolish and not very original.
@Exterminatore
I think you're foolish and just a woman hater
Because people are beginning see through the lie perpetuated for many years that marriage benefits men as much as it does women. A healthy, long lasting marriage benefits both partners significantly, but divorce benefits women while it harms men, which is why half of marriages end in divorce and women file 80% of them. If you factor in those things, which the prominent studies never did, marriage is a net positive for women and a net negative for men. That genie is out of the bottle, and unless women make significant changes (very unlikely), marriage will be a thing of the past within another generation or two at most.
When kids are involved, marriage should be involved.
A man who knocks up a girl and then is nowhere to be found, unless that is what she wants, should be hog tied nude to the back of a pick up truck and drug through streets paved in broken glass!
Other than that I don't really have a strong opinion on the matter.
"If there are so many benefits..."
And that is just it. For men, there no longer are. The old "social contract" has been utterly torn asunder by "3rd Wave Feminism", and it was even somewhat stunted by the "2nd wave Feminism," although the latter did not destroy it. What rational man signs on to a contract that has all risks magnified and any benefits diminished?
Fewer women too. Many people are living in common law marriages. Though feminists are looking to get common law marriages recognised as full legal marriages. So imagine you break up with your girlfriend after 5 months and she wants half and alimony
Iβm not at all shocked. This will probably be a thing soon.
Years ago unmarried people were viewed with suspicion and there was huge social pressure to marry to fit in. Times have changed and people no longer feel pressure to conform. The days of a bad husband is better than no husband are long gone.
marriage doesn't benefit men whatsoever
all this female empowerment crap has women destroying entire families because she's "bored"
Exactly right. Women want to live soap operas, not watch them. Predictable and stable is what is needed for a family, but these immature women canβt fathom that.
It's actually a mutual decision so, if you weren't a redpill ragetard, you would instead say "fewer men and women each year choose marriage"
@normalice Lol, it can't be mutual since men decide who gets married and studies have shown fewer men are choosing to.
@normalice Not many women getting down on one knee to propose. Women gatekeep sex men gatekeep relationships.
@normalice Lol, there's no possible way you could no either. So your response shows that your making an emotionally triggered statement w/ zeo evidence.
@normalice in my opinion it's more interesting to note that u are frustrated because you believe that you can know a strangers hypothetical intentions.
@normalice The good news is you can change that by starting to focus more on facts rather than feelings.
@normalice Unfortunately for u your frustration is something only you can change. Perhaps finding a woman willing to have sex w/ you would give you a better chance.
@normalice TY for sharing however I don't see how your personal struggles have any effect on me.
@Tecnically sharing your frustrations w/ me would literally suggest you do.
@normalice If that was true you would not be sharing your personal frustrations with me.
@normalice TY for sharing your confusion. No the fact that you actually shared your frustration validates the truth. Perhaps this subject matter is to complex for you, because of your limited experience with women?
@normalice As a HV man I understand that how I "feel" isn't relevant to what needs to be done. Perhaps if you got put of your feelings you would have a less delusional POV.
@normalice m The fact that you feel the need to be dishonest in this conversation validates my point. Please share anywhere I ever claimed to be Low Value.
@normalice Those are certainly words however a simple scroll to the top would see that it's you who voluntarily chose to comment on my statement. I don't particularly "feel" like in engaging in someone beneath me however I understand how valuable it is for the male audience to see the incongruency dishonesty and emotion thay females use when they hear information that triggers them.
@normalice Certainly looking for genuine info if you have any, please share.
@normalice I said if you have any genuine info, I only see emotionally charged rhetoric.
@normalice I call emotionally charged rhetoric emotionally charged rhetoric. Which is the only info you've provided. The proof is your need to consistently be dishonest w/ your statements. You have to do this because you realize that the truth doesn't support your narrative. This is a standard female tactic.
@normalice A study by definition is devoid of emotion, whereas claiming its fake because you don't like the results is 100% emotional rhetoric.
@normalice The location of where a poll is taken doesn't has zero relevance of if something is a study. Simply lying about something doesn't make it true especially considering the correspondence is in writing, you may have forgotten because of your emotional tie to the subject.
Of course not. The method does. You have to explain what you did yo avoid bias or, if bias was unavoidable, explain why and then further calculate an estimate that would offset that bias in a normal population. Not to mention margins of error, which given the sample sizes on this site would probably place you at at least 30% (not good).
@normalice Now I see your delusion. That's only relevant for publication academic credit. People use data from non scientific surveys for all types of things including political and economic decisions. If I survey 100 people the results of that survey can definitely be used to validate a POV especially when sharing that POV w/ a laymen like yourself. That's all completely irrelevant to this interaction as you created the narrative that the information received was based on a "GAG" study, which is simply an attempt for you to try to explain away information that hurts your feelings. Hope this helps.
@normalice Correct, but the good news is you can change. If you actually dealt in reality perhaps you would have more success with women.
@normalice I've been w/ close to 300 women so how would listening to a man that has been w/ none benifit me? If anything by definition you would be living in "fantasy" as you've yet to have had an opportunity to execute any of your beliefs.
@normalice Perhaps that explains your struggle, smart people always keep open minds. I'm not sure what "narrative" you believe I'm pushing but I appreciate the support.
@normalice What would he the scam?
@normalice Are you able to elaborate on what that means or are you only able to regurgitate what you've heard?
I think I've spelled it out as plainly as can be. I can describe it for you but I can't understand it for you. Plus, of course, you're here to push a narrative not engage in good faith discovery of ideas, so it would be a waste of time anyway - as you seem to confirm it has been.
@normalice perhaps the issue is your imability to describe whatever it is you believe your articulating. I see a few ramblings but nothing that highlighting the benifit if marriage for men. Are you making the argument that there is none?
@normalice That's an interesting take, however looks like you've failed to provide it for anyone reading as a review of your rant shows no actual benifit for marriage. This is important to note because for all the time spent whining you've failed to actually present tangible value.
@normalice I think you've outlined your mistake. Why would you be responding to a question w/ a question?
@normalice You need clarification about why so few men are choosing marriage? What part of that question are you failing to understand?
@normalice Now I understand your confusion. If you need clarification on a direct question then have you ever thought perhaps you were discussing a subject matter a bit too complex for you?
@normalice OK, I'll clarify the question for you. Why are so many fewer men choosing marriage?
@normalice TY for sharing however that was the original question posed.
@normalice What part are you confused about?
@normalice The man who doesn't read has no advantage over the man who can't read.
@normalice Lol, you dont have one, and your lack of reading is probably why.
Lol it's not that they aren't choosing it's just that they can't find a woman who is willing
@anonymous More men would be willing if they could find worthy women.
Lesbians, I guess. That's the only explanation I can think of for the same amount of women getting married, but less men getting married.
I suppose the boys start to look around how marriage transformed other men into wrecks with regrets and ask themselves why should they follow up and become like them. Something to think about.
Send all single women to my country. I want to marry I know the benefits of the marriage.
If you don't then it's not an issue for me. Less competition 😂
Too hard to find a good woman, and just too much hassle.
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