Do you want to marry or do you want to live together without marrying?

[foxsquirrell]

I want to marry

I want to live with my partner but not marry

[Chazmatazz269]

Neither. As more men are realizing that the odds are stacked against them in marriage, divorce and child custody & parenting agreements, more states have returned to enforcing common law marriage. So even cohabitation will likely result in a woman taking everything from a man and ruining his life.
The only way to win is to not play.

[mmlover]

So what about women having children with men and being stay at home mothers? Wouldn’t marriage benefit them and not marrying hurt them and hurt their children? If the man cheats, abuses, or decides for whatever reason he has to go, the mother won’t have any job experience and she and the children will be left out in the cold if they aren’t married. This makes me so sad to see that men are taking this stance. It’s all about ME me me and that’s it. Isn’t a relationship about loving another person and ultimately children (if that’s what they choose)?

[foxsquirrell]

Interesting.

[foxsquirrell]

@mmlover your answer all goes to show then how marriage is a calculated act from your part (the woman) you fool. It's obvious in your answer. You want security. You want a firm bind on your man so he can't escape that easily. You accuse men by saying its all about ME me me. And my answer to that is look who's talking.
Men love to have fun with women and they love them for there attraction and charming persona, but you are all calculations to further your advance and meet your ends. You are manipulative and crafty like snakes. This is why I have a love hate relationship with women.

[mmlover]

Is it wrong to want a marriage to last? A strong bind?

I don’t even know why I’m replying to an old man (or should I say dog) stuck in his ways and not willing to change to be a better person whatsoever. All I can say is I’m sorry you’re so messed up. Good day and I would seek therapy if I were you.

[mmlover]

You’re talking about how men get “screwed in divorce”? Women carry a child in their own body for 9 months and love and take care of them 24-7 (usually) and men want to rip them out of their mother’s arms to get custody? Men don’t even truly want to take care of their children usually and they want to get back at the woman for whatever reason. They don’t truly want to be selfless and take care of their child….. let’s be real…. They claim they do because they want to punish the woman for not being their property and not doing what the men tell them to do anymore. Having a child is pretty much putting yourself below the child and so is marriage. If you aren’t cut for that then let each woman you date know that from the get go. I sense that you guys don’t like women for whatever reason and probably secretly or outright hate your moms!!! Women are put down so much and treated like second class citizens even in America!! It’s literally so messed up!!! How would YOU feel if you were treated as women are treated? I just don’t get it anymore.

[foxsquirrell]

@mmlover How would YOU feel if you were treated as a man are treated? Stop looking at this from one perspective in that case. And if you wan to look at it from the perspective of a woman because that is what you are, then I am going to see this from the perspective of a man because that is what I am.
Also you can stop exaggerating too. Such as saying men to RIP children from women's arms. Instead of saying men want to take custody of their children for so and so reasons. OR you exaggerate the effort that goes into your 9 month pregnancy as if you are building the pyramids or something every time. Even donkeys ang monkeys get pregnant dear. Its nature. Its what you are made to do. You try to make your child more yours because you carried the pregnancy. The fact is that a child is made from half of your DNA and half from the DNA of the father. How about that. How much more weight and significance does this fact alone has madam?

[mmlover]

Men literally have an orgasm semen comes out and then they can walk away. A woman gets pregnant and has to deal with the physical aspects of it! That my friend is a HUGE deal. I’ve been pregnant many times and let me tell you something. I was in the hospital because I lost 20 pounds because I couldn’t keep food down and I would have died if I had t gotten IV’s and medicine. Please don’t tell me you know what it’s like to be pregnant and carry a child!!! You can just walk away! Are you forgetting that men NEED women to have a baby. Without a woman it’s just semen!!! Come on now. I’m so sorrry that you can’t understand this.

And yes a woman can EASILY get any random man to impregnate her so she can have a baby. It’s super easy! But a man needs to work at this and convince a woman to carry and follow through with a pregnancy. Let’s be real hunny.

I think men don’t want to come to terms with reality and put in work any more to carry on with their genes. It’s okay though because you won’t ever have a baby to carry on your genes. Thank God you will die and you won’t carry any more of you on into this world. I’m glad these guys are doing this because I wouldn’t want more of them in this world to act and think like you.

[mmlover]

Also do you know what it’s like to not be able to smell ANYTHINg without vomiting for at least 3 months and then after that if you smell anything strong you vomit some more? Also the tiredness, the extra weight on your stomach. I lost 20 pounds and that made me extremely underweight. I’m a very healthy woman by the way. Pregnancy isn’t easy whatsoever!

[mmlover]

pregnant and taking care of child isn’t for the weak. Aren’t men supposed to be the strong sex? A lot of men are weak and weak minded. I love men who are true and love the woman they’re with and empathetic that’s why I’m teaching my son EMPATHY!!! Please go get some therapy

[mmlover]

Pregnancy*

[mmlover]

Seriously gotta stop watching porn and find meaning in your life. Then maybe you’ll actually build yourself up to be a good man and you’ll actually require a true connection with a woman and be able to love someone other than yourself and your penis. Or maybe you’re gay? And in that case same advice but with finding a man.

[mmlover]

And by the way, I would feel like a failure as a parent if my son grew up and thought the way you did and spoke about women the way you and other men have. What about your mom? Is she just some skank who easily had a baby and your dad is some God? This is ridiculous. Where are all the good guys?

[mmlover]

And please don’t compare humans to animals. We are much more than that!!! How many animals cry and how many animals have morning sickness? Do all animals have feelings? It’s different. Stop pretending men are just animals so that you can get away with gross behavior. Men are capable of better than that. Why not build yourself up and become a better person? Read some more books and find meaning in life. Go do something for others without needing anything in return

[foxsquirrell]

@mmlover SHUT UP girl! You think you know it all. All you talk about mainly is how it feels to be pregnant, and then try and trash man cause they can walk away easy after they breed you. As if that is what all of them do. You shoot false statements left, right and centre. This is only one of them. And then you try to attack me personally. I am old? No darling, you are old if you are 38 years old! You say that I need therapy (just because I have a realistic view after all). Well I am not going to recommend therapy to you because I don't think it will work on you. lol You are a typical chicken head woman who speaks with emotions more than anything. You are a waste of time. But of course you will not accept it and probably launch back at me with insults and what you think are theories and explanations in support of your view.
Not even realizing that all along you supported what me and some other guys here have said from the start. That marriage is no more than a strategic move for the most part from the female gender. You worry that the guy who impregnates you leaves you stranded so you want him to marry you in order for him to have stronger legal obligations towards you. That's why. To put your selfish mind at ease.
We can go on forever. This is my view, and you can keep yours. Now get out of here.

[Chazmatazz269]

@foxsquirrell, i don’t think your reading comprehension is where it needs to be in order to choose meaningful debates with others. The clown you chose to engage in this particular case has made it clear that she has a baby trapper mentality. The laws and societal standards all support her stance. Why in gods’ names would you think you could change her mind when it does not pay? Ell oh ell!
For future reference, consider this the following. Choose your battles such that they are large enough that they matter, yet they are small enough to be winnable.

[foxsquirrell]

Mind your own business. I did not ask for your advice nor for your opinion on my reading comprehension which might very well be your problem. In case you misfiring like an old engine with lapses of concentration while you were reading my reply I did actually tell her that it is basically useless to reason with her kind. So take your judgment and your advice somewhere else. Here you are unwelcome. And in case you wish to keep going to have the last word I am giving you the advice here to save your energy because you are going to have your messages deleted from here and/or blocked. Good riddance.

[HighValue]

No to marriage. All marriage is, is a way for women and the courts to steal from and abuse men. Even women that claim to be good are still abusive thieves, that is why none of the women have ever got anything on a ballot to get laws changed. WOMEN support abuse of men. Women are immoral, bad people.

And the women on social media that supposedly support men's rights, they are some of the most dishonest people out there because even the ones that have hundreds of thousands of followers, they too have never done anything to get laws changed.

No alimony, automatic equal custody of kids, and mandatory paternity tests need to be made into laws. There also needs to be felony criminal charges against all women that have tricked men into thinking they were the father to a kid that wasn't theirs and prison time equal to however many years the woman lied about it.

[mmlover]

Just say you hate women! But you really don’t need to because all you’ve said= I’m an incel that hates women

[foxsquirrell]

@mmlover A man who speaks like this does not hate women per se. But he has hatred for women because of all the abuse, and suffering a woman can get a man through O. K? You are the problem more than half of the time. You are can be ruthless as much as you can be kind, and you should not expect men to love you for that. Only fools will.

[SueShe]

You are missing a third option here.

I cannot see the option "I don't want to marry AND I don't want to live together. That would have been my option of choice.

Is there really any need to marry nowadays? Can you list the advantages of being married vs. not married or even single without a partner?

I can list a number of advantages of not being with a partner but that would take too much space and I don't think that G@G allows such long texts.

Suffice to say that in 2025, marriage is totally obsolete and has no reason to be.

[foxsquirrell]

I agree with you that marriage is not a good idea to put it this way, but if you are in a relationship what third option is there? Being single is a different matter. This question obviously is for those who are in a relationship. Did I have to specify this to be clear?

[Chazmatazz269]

You can be in a relationship, unmarried and not living together, @foxsquirrell.

[foxsquirrell]

@Chazmatazz269 You can be in a relationship but not living together is what you just said?

[Sun_Kim-Ai]

Been there, done that.

Now I want neither, at least for the moment. I like to think I am a gracious host and all but I want her gone in the morning.

[foxsquirrell]

lol want her gone in the morning! Sounds like you had a rather unpleasant experience.

[Sun_Kim-Ai]

It's not that, it's just that I appreciate my own time. Heck, I offer three different options for breakfast too - cappuccino & brioche; eggs & bacon; espresso/milk and cereals/biscuits/special K bar - on the go or at the table.

But my chateau offers only bed & breakfast with the option of dinner the evening beforehand, nothing more.

[Vegasrunner]

Proably worse decision you can make in life is getting married as a man especially when you're young.

[mmlover]

So what about women having children with men and being stay at home mothers? Wouldn’t marriage benefit them and not marrying hurt them and hurt their children? If the man cheats, abuses, or decides for whatever reason he has to go, the mother won’t have any job experience and she and the children will be left out in the cold if they aren’t married. This makes me so sad to see that men are taking this stance. It’s all about ME me me and that’s it. Isn’t a relationship about loving another person and ultimately children (if that’s what they choose)?

Why are we being so selfish? That’s the opposite of loving. Why can’t men just say they hate women?

[Vegasrunner]

@mmlover That benifits women. I'm saying to there's no benifit to men. It's an obvious stance. When people aren't provided value, they aren't going to do things. I think a better question is what can women do to provide more value to men. Until that question us answered, more men will make the best decision for themselves and walk away from marriage.

[mmlover]

Are you joking? Biologically speaking women risk their lives to bare your children!!’ That’s not doing something for a man? Willing to give your life and raise and love your children? wow. Going into a relationship should never be “what’s in it for me” ? It should be about finding your person….. a connection or should I say love. These men are getting ridiculous wow! Incels.

[mmlover]

Again…. Just say you like men or love yourself only. It’s pretty simple. Lots of men nowadays just don’t like women. I blame pornography and bad upbringing on a patriarchal society.

[mmlover]

Have you ever been in a relationship with a woman carrying your child and watched her deliver YOUR baby? Have you ever had any empathy for this. Not one of us would be alive if a woman didn’t carry and deliver a man’s baby. Not a single one.

[mmlover]

*in a patriarchal society

[mmlover]

And men live longer and healthier when they are married to woman! Women do soooooooo much for men way more than men do for women but that’s another discussion sir

[mmlover]

I can’t wait for the day that women just completely stop sleeping with the men who won’t marry them. Selfish selfish men. Pathetic really. I hope you grow up before you die and see the errors in your ways and thinking

[Vegasrunner]

@mmlover Not in today's age. 99% of all pregnancies end in a healthy child. Also pregnancy isn't equal to marriage as a man doesn't need to be married to have a child.
So you're saying women should enter relationships w/ any man that chooses them?

[Vegasrunner]

@mmlover That will never happen because women don't understand what it takes to be successful w/ men. As a man all you need to do is build value in yourself and you'll have plenty options of women. There's no error in my thinking as it's rooted in logic and common sense.

[foxsquirrell]

I think you're right.

[mmlover]

Not in today’s age? Women don’t die in childbirth or the following months after? I think you’re trolling or you just don’t have any life experience with women. Go read about it since you don’t have personal experience with it.

Also I’m wondering what kind of woman you can even get to live with considering your attitude and thoughts about women in general.

One thing’s for sure…. You don’t know what love is.

[mmlover]

@foxsquirrell who is right? Him? He’s absolutely wrong!

[Vegasrunner]

@mmlover I can certainly understand your confusion. You ignored what I said and heard what you wanted to. I said 99% don't which is a fact. While I understand this may make you feel bad it is accurate. I'm not sure why you would spend your time wondering about me, but you can choose to spend your time how you like.
Love is a pre-requiste for women, not for men. This is a common mistake women make.

[just_a_potato]

I would be fine with living together without being married... if I didn't want kids. Which I do one day. And I refuse to be knocked up without a ring on my finger.

[foxsquirrell]

Wow! That's means you are another one with the classic girl mentality of getting married. Including the ring!

[just_a_potato]

I mean I wouldn't really call myself a "classic girl", my opinions on things just change when there's children involved lol

[foxsquirrell]

And in the majority of cases there are.

[just_a_potato]

Yeah I'm sure, if someone wants 'em. If shit gets worse in this country, I personally, will probably just give that up, and then I wouldn't care anymore about my living arrangements. 🤔

[Anonymous]

There are benefits to marriage. But if married to the wrong person you will only pay a larger price tag, unless no kids and no large purchases in two years.

[foxsquirrell]

What benefits?

[Opinion Owner]

Nothing beats emotional support. Then there are financial advantages like tax breaks and better access to credit, and increased stability in life. Regular good sex leads to happier and longer life.

[foxsquirrell]

Except for the tax breaks and better access to credit (which you then have to pay back!!!) all the other things that you mentioned can be present when living together under the same roof without being married. You don't need to be married to have those things. Also about the TAX breaks I want to know exactly how much difference there will be. I don't think it will be that much of a difference, and I am sure that there are some down sides to being married as well which you did not mention.

[Opinion Owner]

You also get better deals when loans are cosigned.

[foxsquirrell]

Still you need to pay the money back. And considering that you might have more expenses the benefits cancel out. Your reasons to support marriage are weak. And they are monetary in nature. You do not marry for these petty money benefits if there is at all a positive net money difference.
You sound like a run of the mill person. One of the herd.

[Opinion Owner]

You seem to expect something free from life. Nothing in life is free. Life is balance, not getting ahead. You can choose to ease the difficulty of that balance. It's all choice.

[foxsquirrell]

Really? What do you expect to pay for being married then? Or for being in a relationship?

[ariadneR]

Both my brothers live with their partners and aren't married. They have kids too, but that's not for me. I fully intend to be married and live with my partner. Maybe I'm just old fashioned

[Vegasrunner]

@ariadneR At 46?

[ariadneR]

@Vegasrunner what's the problem? Too old or too late?

[Vegasrunner]

@ariadneR Way too late for a women. No guy that is worth anything wants to get tied down w/ an old woman who can't give him children.

[ariadneR]

@Vegasrunner not all men. But yes they are out there

[Vegasrunner]

@ariadneR All isn't a pre-requote for truth. Any man that has built himself up isn't going to want to settle for an old woman. What you can get is unsuccessful men, who don't have many options.

[ariadneR]

@Vegasrunner to each their own. That's your truth. Not mine.

[Vegasrunner]

@ariadneR No such thing as "your truth" and the truth is men don't work hard to settle for old women.

[ariadneR]

@Vegasrunner ok

[Bklynbadboy12]

@Vegasrunner You may not want her but I do! 😉😉😉😉

[Vegasrunner]

@ariadneR This doesn't mean I'm rooting against you. I'm simply sharing the reality, as it's better that at least you know the truth.

[Vegasrunner]

@Bklynbadboy12 That's kind of the point of my statement. Sure some random dude on a Social Media Platform wants her. My argument is that's not the type of man she wants and that the type of man that she dies want doesn't want her back, because she is old.

[PeachyPie93]

I wouldn't want to ever be married again.. so living together is good enough..

[Phoenix98]

Marry.

Living together and not marrying forever that's not a future to me.

[Fireguy17]

Since I'm happily married i went with married.

[Luopio27]

I envy those who are atracted to other things than looks! I am a shallow peace of shit that dont belong to a marriage!

[Ironco]

I've done the marriage thing.

Lost her to cancer.

I'll date and live with someone, but I'll never get married again.

[robocop666]

Neither as alimony counts in both cases. I refuse to dump a woman and have her get alimony.

[qwerty2469]

Marry and live apart. Living together is the death of love and marriage

[Bloodparadise]

I want to belong to someone both legally and spiritually

And I want all that bridal makeup, dresses, ring, chain,

[TeacherUser92]

As how it should be. Being married is legally binding and that brings real responsibilities as well

[foxsquirrell]

Sure you want to feel like some princess from a lost dynasty. lol

[BCRanger10]

I am already married, six years now.

[jazzy34]

I want to get married.

[foxsquirrell]

Up to you!

[Miristheiss]

Married with 2 kids already.

[fonduegirl]

Neither actually

[foxsquirrell]

you want to live alone?

[fonduegirl]

Not alone. Maybe I'll get a cat.

I'm just not a huge fan of humans. Yeah.

[foxsquirrell]

lol well yeah when I say alone I mean without anyone else around. I'm not a great fan of people either.

[fonduegirl]

Hahaha then we'd be wonderful friends!

[fonduegirl]

Yes I'd want to live alone

[foxsquirrell]

haha sounds true!

[BobbieBoy666]

I'd rather live in sin and nude.

[loveyouoak]

I want to stay single and live alone.

[foxsquirrell]

No boyfriend? No dates?

[LiamJHayden]

Under current law, neither.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

I want to be alone

[foxsquirrell]

All the time?

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

Sexually? Yes
Romantically? Also yes
Platonically? No

[foxsquirrell]

You want to be sexually alone? You're weird as hell if that is true!

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

I’m asexual and aromantic, so I suppose you could call me a deviant

[foxsquirrell]

I'm not gonna call you anything.

[Anonymous]

I would like to get married.