Why the Wall Affects Men and Women Differently (Page 2)

[Anonymous]

Good Take

[hellionthesagereborn]

Thank you.

[Anonymous]

well written

[hellionthesagereborn]

Thank you.

[Anonymous]

There's always going to be differences

[hellionthesagereborn]

Of course, their are things that are better for women then for men and vice versa, men have greater desirability when they are older, women when they are younger, women have a shorter period of time to reproduce then men, men have shorter life spans. Mytake was not about their not being differences but rather that many women seem not to know it, they think and to be fair its because society constantly tells them, that they will be desirable no matter their age and that's not true. It would be like telling men that they shouldn't work hard because money doesn't matter. Its nice to think that but that's not how society or women work. Women want to know a man has resources, families are expensive and child birth and rearing is incredibly expensive and time consuming. I just wanted to be able to inform women of what happens and why. Its no different then smoking, you have every right to do it, its your life but no one should tell you its healthy when its not.

[hellionthesagereborn]

As long as you accept those risks then its fine live your life in what ever way you deem appropriate, that's all any one can do, but I just don't want women to do this without knowing the possible ramifications. If they make the choice it should be an informed one.

[sedrftvgyhujik]

i hate the wall as well

[Anonymous]

Women are disgusting leaches.

[Anonymous]

Very interesting take...

[CT_CD]

Interesting myTake

[hellionthesagereborn]

Thank you.

[bekkesmash]

Your post literally says women are prostitutes.

[vyvyn]

That is not the point if you understood what he was saying. Stop pretending like you do. Your reply to my commdng shows you're not from around here, which is why you can't understand the meaning behind this myTake.

[bekkesmash]

@vyvyn As I said... not the crux, but still something said. Can you nor understand basic semantics and syntax?

[vyvyn]

@bekkesmash. No, when you say "Your post literally says women are prostitutes" it means you're referring to the crux of the message.

[bekkesmash]

No it doesn't.

[vyvyn]

It does.

[bekkesmash]

Im sorry, are crux and literally synonyms?

[vyvyn]

In the context they can be used to infer the same thing.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Where did I say that? I'm fairly certain I never stated that as women are not prostitutes. Unless your talking about my statement that women preffer men with resources, but then that's not prostitution as they are concerned about their well being because again, child birthing and rearing is incredibly resource intensive and that means she will not be able to as effectively provide for herself when she is busy with a child. I mean by your reasoning that would mean all men are sluts because they preffer women who are attractive. Again, not true. That's something you say when you can't handle facts. You white knighting for women isn't beneficial to you or to women. This is scientific facts. This is biololgy and how human reproduction works. @vyvyn Thank you, I'm glad to see that some one actually bothered to read the take and to take the time to try and give it a fair viewing.

[bekkesmash]

And street prostitutes often need money for the same thing, if it is a prerequisite that the guy has resources that will be eventually spent on her and future offspring before she sleep with him, he is still paying for sex.

[vyvyn]

@hellionthesafereborn Don't bother listening to this guy. He is clearly just trying to drag us down with his underdeveloped and corrupted third world ideologies. People from impoverished societies don't know how genuine relationships work, so they won't be able to see beyond how it is more than just prostitution.
@bekkesmash Faulty reasoning, and an extremely lazy one at its best.
"And street prostitutes often need money for the same thing" Wrong. It is completely different in that the guy's intentions differ depending on the relationship, which changes the dynamic of the interaction making a genuine one distinct from prostitution. Presuming you were not born in nor grew up in such privileged social environments one would expect you to be capable of understanding the dissimilarity.

[vyvyn]

@bekkeamash "if it is a prerequisite (perhaps for people from your ethnic background that would be the case since those living in impoverished societies would require such settlements to take place for survival reasons) the guy has resources that will be eventually spent on her and future offspring before she sleep with him (again, not applicable to more developed societies in being the initial reason for a relationship to occur where feelings precede practicality; however, since countries of the first world are now flooded with these third world degenerates it has caused a significant erosion of the ethics and moral principles in genuine relationships, which are for the most part nonexistent in societies plagued by poverty), he is still paying for sex (I've witnessed a lot of couples here who look as though they lack the means necessary to meet basic personal needs as though from the third world who have this mentality in being enslaved in a master and slave dynamic)."

[hellionthesagereborn]

Then men are sluts for wanting to reproduce with a woman? That's just asinine. A prostitute exchances money for sex not money for a relationship, stable environment to raise children and reproduction so they are completely different and I think your just trying to create a strawman argument because, I don't know in order to feel morally indignant I guess. Regardless your statement is absurd, by your reasoning every person who has a job is a whore because they are giving their body over to perform a task for nothing but money. I mean by making the definition as loose as you are trying to do you can apply it to anything.

[bekkesmash]

All of that is superfluous to semantics @vyvyn, and at best trying at a perception of moral conjecture. The guy isn't getting sex without paying for it, this isn't even an allegory. I may be from a third world country, but my social circle is very rich, and my suburb the paragon of upper-market, I have to travel a far way to see poverty.

"Then men are sluts for wanting to reproduce with a woman" Well technically a slut can only be a women by definition, but if a man sleeps with a lot of women, I would call him a slut.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Yeah your not getting it. Everything is an exchange of good and services. EVERYTHING. You go to work, that's exchanging your time and services for payment making you a whore. You live in a society? Well society will not tolerate you unless you are productive, you pay taxes etc. so you are expected to provide your goods to maintain that society. Your view is so overly simplified that its not a viable view. If you are with a woman because you like her personality, her personality is then a good. Its really simple, we exchange our goods and services for things that's nature. A man wants a woman or a woman wants a man they have to give something in return otherwise, using your own reasoning again, they would be a slave giving and never getting anything in return. Its a stupid idea and it just does not hold up under analysis of even the most basic kind.

[bekkesmash]

You are just agreeing with me now, everything is an exchange, this type of an exchange is generally prostitution. "making you a whore" It's a different meaning of the word, which would be disregarding your principles for gain. Women have more sexual value than men, so men have to give more than sex to get sex, so yeah... prostitution.

[vyvyn]

@bekkesmash You're so dumb you absolutely failed to understand what @hellionthesagereborn is saying, either that or you're just trying to have the last word simply just for the sake of argument a behaviour typical of uneducated third world loonies regardless of social class. Unattractive to the extreme. Let's break it down:
"You are just agreeing with me now (no he isn't, which is why it makes you sound so stupid) everything is an exchange (as if this wasn't obvious enough that it needs to be restated), this type of an exchange is generally prostitution (wtf?). "making you a whore" It's a different meaning of the word (wth?), which would be disregarding your principles for gain (trying to sound sophiscated without it making sense shows you're a try-hard and that is SO unattractive and actually decreases your credibility)."

[vyvyn]

@bekkesmash "Women have more sexual value than men (you are such a dumbass you've just contradicted your whole side of the debate completely that suggests women simply are goods for prostitution) men have to give more than sex to get sex (this again contradicts your claim that women are basically prostitutes), so yeah... prostitution (you have no idea what you're taking you're just an uneducated third world loony)."

[vyvyn]

talking about*

[bekkesmash]

Whore has two definitions, one is someone who exchanges sex for payment (not always money), and it is also defined as someone who sacrifices principles for gain. That's what he was getting at. And your last paragraph is moronic. How can someone with less sexual value sell sex to someone with more sexual value? Having more sexual value allows women to be prostitutes. That's so basic.

[hellionthesagereborn]

"that's what he was getting at" ? really? I'm glad to see you know me so well, so well in fact that you can ignore everything I stated in the take and everything I have stated hear to rebuke your absurd claims and still claim to no my "true" motives. We all exchange things for other things. I pointed out why we do it why men do what they do and women do what they do. Its biological and it provides an important function. Your clearly not paying attention nor care to. I never once stated nor implied women where whores so please do not intentionally misrepresent my statements, well its not even misrepresent as just out right fabricate. I don't know why you are upset at the idea that men and women use different criteria for finding a mate, it seems pretty obvious they would as they both bring different things to the table, but please keep that issue to yourself, I don't want anything to do with it.

[vyvyn]

@bekkesmash I didn't even bother reading your reply after glancing at a few words that were completely misused. It's impossible for you to win this debate for most of what you said don't even make logical sense, not to mention your extremely poor grasp of the English language makes you an embarrassment to the people of your underdeveloped third world country and causes the educated part of the world to look down on you and those of your nationality even more. You are nothing of value to anything worthy of praise.

[bekkesmash]

Point out any solecism, or incorrect use of semantics that wouldn't be a typing error.

[vyvyn]

@bemmesmash Didn't even bother trying to understand what you're saying.

[justiceee]

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