Why It's Over Between Men and Women

[BraveHeart97]

Let's face it, men and women just don't get along with each other as they use to. Today, all men and women seem to go after is sex and just spent their time cursing and blaming each other for stupid reasons. Here are some of the reasons why I think the two genders will never get along and sexism will always exist.

1. Feminism

Feminism isn't what it use to be these days. Whatever the dictionary says, we all know (those of us who bothered to paid attention anyway) know that feminists these days don't really want equality. All feminists want is female supremacy and to make men pay for the crimes of the men in the past. Instead of bringing equality, feminism fuels misandry and all this results is young women becoming bitter and resentful towards the opposite sex and only complicates the progress to fix the broken bonds between the genders.

2. MGTOW

For those who are unfamiliar, MGTOW stands for "men going their own way". It's basically about men who refuse to marry and avoid all relationships with women because women are nothing but "hypergamous whores who will divorce you and take all your children and proprety". Although their points are understandable, they do seem to have a misogynistic tone behind their narrative and make is seem that every woman has some kind of agenda to destroy a man's life. Whether they are right or not, they do have a habit of demonizing the opposite sex at every chance they get.

3. Love is dead

Relationships are just toxic these days and they are nothing more but people just using other people for their own self gain. I always hear how women get abused and broken hearted only to go back with the same jerk off that makes her life into a living hell. I also always hear about how men get abused by their wives and girlfriends and how they always get emotionally manipulated and cheated on. This only sets up a reputation that men are abusive, voilent assholes and that women are manipulative, goldigging whores that only want sex and money. This teaches both men and women that the opposite sex is untrustworthy and not worth forming a relationship with. This also grows nothing but bitterness and anger towards the opposite sex.

4. Broken family unit

Over the years, we can see how much the family unit has been crippling. With marriage on the decline and divorce on the rise, this will only result in people not having children and children in broken homes. Due to the fear of divorce, people are not desiring marriage these days and are no longer seeking to have children. Now, there's nothing wrong with not wanting to get married or having children but longterm speaking, this will lead to a country having low birth rates and a lower population. Just look at Japan for example. Thanks to feminism, fathers have been kicked out of the household and without a healthy father figurr to look up, both young boys and girls will struggle when it comes to dealing with daily life problems and relationships. Without a father figure, boys will be demasculinized and grow up to be undeceplined and will turn to unhealthy lifestyles such as criminal activity or drug/ alcohol abuse. They will also struggle in relationships as they won't know how to lead and will result in women becoming resentful towards them. As for young girls, without a good father to provide an example for them, these girls will grow up to be insecure and seek validation from the opposite sex, the validation that was suppose to be given by the father but was never recieved due to absence, and will end up in a series of abusive and toxic relationships. Overtime, this will result the young girl to become bitter towards the opposite sex because of the trauma that was given to her by the past failed relationships. She will become defensive and will curse and neglect any man that meets her, even men who are nothing like the exes she's been through. This woman will have a hard time forming long lasting relationships.

So it's clear by now because of the current changes that have been happening to our society over the years, marriages and relationships aren't just like they use to be. Although it's good that now society is learning to be more progressive and continuing its pursuit towards equality, unfortunately, these changes do come with consequences. By the looks of it, it seems that the relationship between the genders won't improve any time soon and with the influence of the media and today's political climate, I can only conclude that things will either stay the same or get worse in the next few years.

[Anonymous]

It's not over yet, but it's definitely headed in that direction. Marriage and committed relationships in general have become so gynocentric that they are losing their appeal to men more and more every day. Fewer and fewer men are going to be willing to pay the ever increasing price and accept the ever increasing risks in exchange for the ever dwindling benefits. It's simply not sustainable.

[COCOCHANEL]

fathers are an important part of a child's life just like mothers. both parents need to act right and not hurt their children.

in this country mothers almost always get full custody. divorce means the kids never get to see their fathers again. it's incredible.

[Unit1]

This is why you have the herbivore men over there. I don't blame them at all. I can relate to them.

[Martimus44]

It really is sad. I feel like all these "groups" in America don't won't equality, they all want favoritism. (i. e. feminists, minority groups, LGBT, etc, etc). They all have equal rights but its not good enough, just like in divorce, over the years the bitter woman has helped skew our court system to be unfair to the man. If I was a young unmarried man I would probably not want marriage ever because of this. Many women in the past have ruined it for couples now, there is just too much risk for a man to get hitched. They've taken away many reasons for a man to want marriage.

[AdamThomas]

I'm actually curious about the herbivore men, are there as many of them as people over here say there are?

[Rainie_]

I'm not quite sure what times you are comparing to. Looking back at history not much has really changed.

Compare it as far back to even medieval times. People divorced often (well tried to) out of every 600 marriage, 200 applied for annulment, I'm sure there would've been more if the churches didn't make it so damn difficult to end it. How different is it from today? Not much difference at all!!
You also have to take into account that not all marriages turn out well, even if the solid nuclear family is ideal, we humans are so complicated that we often fuck it up. Unfortunately.

As for 2. There were many men even in medieval times with the EXACT same thoughts and opinions as MGTOW today "women are toxic", "women are poison", "because of eve all women are sinful and will try to trick you into a life of sin!", some kept away from women for life because they were "dirty inferior creatures"

3. Many relationships have been toxic in history, and it will always be so. At least now less people get married in the sprung of the moment such as in a pub, behind the hedge whatever to someone they just met 😂 (Yes this was a thing). Some just "married" in order to sleep with each other so it wouldn't be "sinful". So much care for each other eh? And back then there were more people staying in toxic relationships because marriage was harder to get out of.

Look, we are humans and we are complicated beings, we really don't change much at all over time overall if we're talking about our nature in relationships, love and so on.
We only reproduce less only because we no longer run as big of a risk producing children everytime we have sex with anyone.
I REALLY wouldn't say things are getting worse, honestly now...

[Z-Spark]

women like you are the reason the human race has reached a point like this, your entire opinion is toxic, you're the kind of woman who marries a man, has a kid, throws him out , steals most of his many and fucks the pool boy on the side.

[Rainie_]

@Z-Spark HAHAH whatever made you get that out of my response.
You sound so pathetic, damn 😂😂

[Z-Spark]

your response alone and nothing else, just what you wrote and the way you wrote it, you think you actually know something that other dont, thats the kind of attitude that ruins marriages

[gaguser2453]

comparing medieval times while skipping over a time span of hundreds of years. I can easily find a point of time, and a certain civilization that goes against what you said. Lets talk about the united states though, and not some dark ages civilization that happened a hundred years ago. in the united states the divorce rate actually lowered in the 60s for a short time and then as time went on and the roles gotten confused we have seen all time high divorce rates in this country from the 70s all the way to the mid 2000s. we have lowered a bit, but we are still higher than what was the norm back then.

[gaguser2453]

and this is obvious. when you dramatically change things you are going to see effects.

[Z-Spark]

The fact is that men and women had clear roles in the past and they both found it practical and good, sure nothing was perfect but again even today nothing is but they had a role, a purpose, these days you get married not knowing whose the breadwinner, whose the man and the woman, the roles are kinda blurred, you have no idea what you should do as the man in the family or what she expects from you, and the women on the other hand have absolutly no idea what kind of responsibility awaits them as mothers and wives, they want to have kids, but not cook, not stay home, not clean, and have a great careers with a 7 figure paycheck... yeah doesn't work like that, i want to be problems free and just have fun and enjoy without consequences but i know that can't happen.

just like 90% of women expect men to say hi and approach so do most men expect women to cook and clean, different genders, different expectations and different roles, if we lose that... well you are already seeing the effect.

[Rainie_]

@Z-Spark what's so bad about having flexible bread winners? My mother is the breadwinner in my family and if it wasn't for her we wouldn't be so well off as we are now with her earning 6 figures, instead we'd be living on a taxi driver's salary.

The roles are not blurred (any longer), it's just that nowadays it's a lot easier for more people to do what they actually love doing and suits them better than just "try to survive through the husband/father". My dad dropped taxi driving to become a house dad, he loves to cook and take care of the garden. He's no less manly or confused about himself because he doesn't earn more than my mother, in the end they both love what they're doing in life.

If you have no idea what responsibilities you have in the family then you are clearly lacking in communication with your partner, you shouldn't have to rely on societal norms in order to know what to do and have a good functioning family, you work together using each other's individual strengths.

[Z-Spark]

tell that to all people getting a divorce then come back and argue with me , your words mean nothing at all, so you had a lazy dad? wow iam impressed, thats not 90% of households word, i dont know any woman who wants to earn more than her man and those who do act like the man of the house and treat their husbands like trash , iam not about that life.

[Rainie_]

@Z-Spark funny you say that. When a man becomes a housedad (according to you) he is deemed "lazy" but when a woman is a housewife she is doing her job? Makes total sense...

[Z-Spark]

yes thats how men think, take it or leave it not much room for arguing here, not gonna argue that because men and women both believe its true and thats how things should be, have you been out? have you talked to other people? have you actually sat down with older men and women, with friends, classmates... etc you know what they think of a man who stays home and doesn't work and bring money? A LOSER.

do you know what they call a woman who stays home and acts the same as the man above? A GREAT WIFE/MOTHER , its not double standards its how nature intended things to work, your mom makes a 6 figure salary that cool iam not against women working, but at least a couple months before giving birth all the way till you were old enough to actually be kept somewhere she was probably home taking care of you, just like 99% of women out there

[Z-Spark]

dont make the mistake of other women, we're not shaming women on the contrary we're acknowldging their role in developing a healthy, stable and successful family , but women these day refuse to be mothers or wives they want to be "independent" and "explore" the world and do what they want... no, without sacrifices no marriage can ever work

[gaguser2453]

@Rainie_ whats so bad about it? well ideally, it could work, but as we can see the way we went about it isn't right. Women aren't happy, and neither are men. The divorce rates have gone up, the suicide rate for middle aged men have gone up, heart attacks for women due to stress have gone up etc.. people want children but there is a chip on their shoulder of who should earn the most and who will be a stay at home parent.

[gaguser2453]

just a bunch of confused and angry people. in the 60s there seemed to be some kind of unity, that all went downhill though

[Rainie_]

@Z-Spark umm... she took me to work and had me on a rocking bed under her working table...

That's what YOU personally think. I know plenty of family friends whom are not so different from us, with either mum being bread winner or both partners working. It's not so unusual anymore that people will be shocked or look down on them. And if people think my dad is a loser then you know what, my parents don't care because they're happy.

Of course some women truly fail to act as a mother just like many men out there disappear into thin air once they hear that their girl is pregnant. A lot of people are not taking the responsibilities they should and it's unfortunate, but it certainly isn't something new.

Wanting to remain independent or explore the world and do what they love does not affect how good of a mother or wife they will be, my mother is and was just that and she has always been a supermum to me.
Of course some sacrifices have to be made but you don't have to drop everything.

[Z-Spark]

From what you're telling me your dad actually didn't do his job well enough to support you so your mom was always so stressed about bringing enough money so you dont starve , she was probably too stressed to even say hi , plus no work place lets you bring your kids to work unless you actually own that work place.

your family or your friends families are not the norm nor they are what people actually want, women aren't happy being like that, and men aren't happy being housewives, i know i will never do any house work thats not me and that is not how i want to be as a guy.

the high divorce rate and low satisfaction is a good indication that whatever changed is not working for men nor for women, iam sorry but i can't accept your point of view because it has been proved faulty over and over again in many places and under many different siutations.

[Z-Spark]

read this
www.refinery29.com/.../millennial-women-are-conflicted-about-being-breadwinners

[Rainie_]

@Z-Spark wow will you ever stop making assumptions about my family that you have absolutely no clue about?

Just because YOU don't want to do any house work, take care of kids or be a stay at home dad doesn't mean ALL other men don't want to.

And as for divorce rates they are going down a lot so clearly things are changing.
Anyhow I am done with this discussion. Clearly our perspectives to life are completely different and that's okay. We'll just agree to disagree.

[gaguser2453]

guys get a room already

[Z-Spark]

Any real men will never settle for being a housewives, any man who actually accepts being a housewive is not a man to begin with

[BraveHeart97]

But to encourage a generation to hate half of the human population? Despite feminist's beliefs, I refuse to believe that men back then were misogynistic when they had sacrificed so much for their families. Sure there were misogynists but they were probably a small minority and the majority of the men of the time would just laugh and ignire them and go back to their loving wives.

[SteppingOnRoses]

Why I believe you are wrong:

In every era men and women always had things keeping them apart. Those things simply changed now. But in fact, I think some barriers that we had before were broken, since men and women are more equal now (even if it isn't a perfect society), which has made it more possible for them to connect for the right reasons, besides just wanting to raise children... or to fulfill predesignated gender roles...

I believe men and women can see each other better as humans now...

However there will always be people that dk how to respect each other or that dont know and dont care to know what love is.

But in the midst of all that, there will always be people that know the true worth of a real love connection between two souls... even if those souls are in bodies of different genders...

So... love isn't dead.

It is just that people can choose to be optmisitic or pessimistic in regards to their own lives. And you are choosing to be pessimistic.

Even if your life experiences are what made you this way, you have the power to change your perspective on things and create a bright better future.

Stop whining and just startlooking inside yourself... what things you need to change.. what things are good and you just need to nurture...

Start by loving yourself in order to be able to love others.

[BraveHeart97]

I do love myself. It's just that I never get back the love I do give to women. Instead, I find out she was just using me to get back at her ex or that I find out she was just keeping me company only to just move to the next guy. I don't hold any grudge against women. It's just sad how people like me get the short end of the stick in today's society and it gets worse when we have feminists blaming men for most of today's problems. It doesn't help anyone.

[SteppingOnRoses]

Yes, it is sad indeed.

Because you dont deserve it.

And seems like you got bad luck in the women you chose... :/ somehow

[JudgmentDay]

If only this meant no more humans will ever be born, then every thing is gonna be a lot more interesting and that it might actually prove that your theories would be correct about how it really is over between men and women. Can it really be that bad? Besides, we're on course for the 6th mass extinction the last I've checked, so really, can it really be that bad if the genders somehow did completely gave up on each other altogether and stopped trying? :http://www. biologicaldiversity. org/programs/biodiversity/elements_of_biodiversity/extinction_crisis/

if only there wasn't so much blaming, hating and demonizing of each other. Why can't we all just relax and wait for it all to end? I hope that whole thing with artificial wombs don't work out, it's only just going to make things worse if it ever did. We're already overpopulated at more than 7.5 billion and if artificial wombs would only accelerate by adding another billion or more people to the world, well good luck as those resources continue to drain.

What do you think guys? @Unit1 @TheNotorious @Crumbles @Barrabus_the_Free @lacorine197

[Unit1]

Blaming the opposite sex for your own failure is not going to help anyone, not even the one, who blames and hates the opposite sex. It will only make you look like an ass.
A few gold digging bitches do not represent an entire gender as well as a few abusive jerks do not represent all men.
Spewing bitterness around won't get you any closer to happiness or into a relationship with the opposite sex unless you like being miserable on a daily basis.

[JudgmentDay]

@Unit1 Did you check this link? www.biologicaldiversity.org/.../ We're heading toward another mass extinction eventually either way.

Convinced? I'm sure you had been convinced about it long ago, since you did say you believed we are the virus and parasites of this world anyhow.

perhaps this is the way things are and why it's happening to try and rebalance the damage and harm we had done, well maybe somewhat but not nearly enough.

There's over 7.5 billion of us and still increasing, those things above are without a doubt necessary evils that need to exist because of our constant growth and birth and consumption rate of resources on this planet.

If only there was some external force like some uncurable massively contagious infertility plague that completely suspended any further human births even if it meant for as long as a 4 or 5 decades, just maybe then that might allow things to re-shift and re-balance.

[Unit1]

I did now. I am not surprised.
See, this is what happens because of us. Mass extinction is coming to put an end to us. Hopefully.

[Dawsonwc]

Turn off all technology. No TV, no video games, no computer, no phone. Take notes by hand, do your homework on a public library computer where everyone can see your screen to keep you focused, only text and call people, no apps, read books. Don't even look at a screen if you can help it. Actually 100% engage in the world you exist in. Go take a walk. Do nothing for some hours without a tv shouting at you. Try it for like a week. I'd push for a month or two but most people can't handle that. You'll start to notice somethings. The internet is like a big bucket. It archives absolutely everything. You can go back and read some guys thoughts from years ago today. When all is right in your life you don't hop on the internet looking for help. When your SO just did something sweet you don't go write a wall of text on some forum about it. But you do when your pissed. So that MGTOW who wrote that clearly misogynistic manifesto could be off with his loving girlfriend now completely disagreeing with everything he wrote and you'd never know. That extremist feminist could've went to counseling and realized that she doesn't hate men but has rather internalized some pain or something but she's not hoping on the internet to tell you about it. That news reporter and those TV shows are selling you stories. No one wants to watch a video of a guy making jokes at a pool with his buds or driving safely to work or sitting outside in nice weather because that happens all the time. You want entertainment not a recap of pleasant tedium. And entertainment needs drama. But that happy tedium that's daily life for a lot of people and it could be for you too if you just unplug for a while.

[D_Bone_Steak]

You want to know what I like lately... watching youtube videos of black men exclaiming why the end of section 8 is the best thing that has happened to the black community in the last 40 years... what are they saying that peaks my curiosity as a white dude married to a Asian living as a stay-at-home-dad while she breaks the bread and I change the diapers.

Is this where I do the sound track of the "independent women" song latched to a bunch of jump scenes of ghetto chicks talking about how to take advantage of welfare to pay for everything... que in "I bought it" chorus while they explain how to take tax payers money to buy it. Sure to a young child that is dreaming of getting her own job and paying for her own stuff... sounds empowering right? How about when it is just an education on how to use men and welfare to "squeeze" money out with children just helping the cause.

I'm sorry but I can't help but sympathize with these dudes that know they've only been good for two things... making babies, and paying for it.

I may be white, but my imagination can place me in those shoes and I wouldn't fuck with one of those hoes either. They've learned an agenda or tactic and I get the shit end of the stick when I enter a deal of children with a concept of a family. She's better off without me. She don't need me. In fact she'll be better off with me a slave to the system than me being 100% faithful, loving, and dedicated to her... and when their not choosing the man out of the deal with the government out of that deal... how would you feel as that dude? Fuck AIDS, a woman will kill a man faster in my opinion. So wear that condom or get the surgery done.

[Bezbozhnikustanka]

Black women who have babies and live off welfare are morally no worse then rich people born with trust funds. Workers are taxed so money can be given to black women, workers are paid half the value of the work they do so money can be paid to share owners.

[scotty123]

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CULTURE.
It comes down to economics. What is happening is economics. We no longer live in a society where men and women need each other. We no longer live in a society where more children = more money. In agricultural/industrial society more children = more workers/farmer = more money. Relationship we held together by economics nessesacity; a divorce was a economic disaster that destroyed a family's lifesavings and meant starvation. Women spent their entire lives putting out children, spending their time at home, as children often died young/at child birth.

Now children are a economic liability; they have to be educated to get a job. This costs 40,000-200,000$ per child. They can't work, and time a women spends raising them is an opportunity cost in lost income. Women now can have jobs and no longer need a husband. Marriage is now an option/lifesytle choice, not a nessesacity. Having a child is a lifestyle choice. Marriage is only held together by emotions, which are fleeting, economics are no longer a factor. This is what the issue is.

Our postindustrial society no longer needs a constant supply of children, and marriage. Economic make having kids a economic burden, rather than a benefit. Until economic changes, it will remain this way. Most likely when education is free, and the baby boomers enter retirement, and labor is in a sever shortage, in addition to spending on old people. Expect this around 2030's

[saeidpro]

Well nothing is really changed throughout history in relationship problems. but here's why is looks different now:
1- Women wasn't equals to men in rights (and they're still not but it's a lot better) so they couldn't do anything. so when a divorce was about to happen, they couldn't just get the kid and go. so they should've stayed in the marriage to be around their kids. now it's easy to divorce.
2- People didn't have communications like us. all they were reading was fairytales and "they lived happily ever after" and with signs of problems they thought they could fix it and they would.
Now we see the problems wide open. for generations, there was a f** up situation in the world, but families wouldn't let anybody to see it. and if they would, the books wouldn't record it.
but now, it's out in the open and you can't run from our problems.
Actually I really believe it's a lot better now. In the past, all marriages was by the deceision of parents, no love aloud. people were barbaric. they were killing each othe and beating each other up. there was abuse, rape, violence and no law against it.
But right now it's a lot better. Love is really important to everyone and men are getting around with these new generation of women and freedom. I think love is just getting born.

[Underduress]

There are those in relationships and those that are not. And the ones that are in them are the ones standing on the deck hearing the band play while those that are not are tasting the salt water. Single hood is certainly expanding and probably mostly because of the feminist hate baiters and the relationship calamity that has caused. Most of these crazy feminists are out screaming at something and I don’t think they even know why. They just know it is bad. I have noticed that those in relationships that I know and including marriage; the men seem almost soul-less with the life sucked out of them since I knew them before when they were full of life and single. I see these men and they are truly broken. While this hasn’t affected me directly because I am in a nice relationship right now with an Asian girl I met here, that I plan to emigrate with; I am aware of it crashing and burning around me. Those in relationships, especially the men I know need to walk very softly and not upset their masters. Those that are choosing to stay single are probably ahead of the times to come.

[Bezbozhnikustanka]

Do you think Asian girls have different feelings to white women? Do you think they enjoy being meek and obedient? Confucianism, like all religions, except Theosophy, was invented by a man for the benefit of men. I bet Asian girls really hate having to stay at home and cook and clean while their husbands have fulfilling careers, they just bottle all the anger up inside. One day she won't be able to take it anymore and she'll empty a wok of boiling oil over your head before cutting your John Thomas off with a meat cleaver.

[Bezbozhnikustanka]

Have you seen "Wives With Knives"? It's a documentary about women who've been pushed to breaking point, only, instead of phoneing a good divorce lawyer they've cut their husbands' tally whackers off.

[Underduress]

@Bezbozhnikustanka Aren’t you just a crazy bastard screaming at the wind?

[Underduress]

@Bezbozhnikustanka I don’t watch TV. because obviously it screwed you up.

[LittleSally]

"As they used to" you mean when women weren't allowed to voice their opinions?
Haha

Mmmmmkay...

And I don't think it's done between them - mostly because more people still love and support each other - no matter what your personal experience might be...

[BraveHeart97]

Lol that's not what I meant. I mean a time where women respected men and men respected women unlike today where we seem to hate each other's guts.

[LittleSally]

Yes, I understood that perfectly... But I guess it's different now that ALL races and genders can tell their side of the story - it complicates things - and so it should.

[RedMatch]

I say all of this is because of how people are now disrespecting the concept of relationships, its both genders fault. Everyone now treats it like some sort of game to be played and messed around with. Many people don't take is seriously enough, like so many who have sex then have a child and go oh shit guess we should marry and they find out that they really don't like each other that much, and wake up to how stupid playing around was. People don't think deeply enough about things when they are considering a relationship and its just a fling. This is the cause of all this dead love and broken family units, which then causes Feminism and MGTOW, because instead of people owning up for their own mistakes they blame each other for what has happened in their lives. Its the by far one of the most flaws of humans the ability to not own up to their own mistakes and blame on others.

[RedMatch]

Personally i have a great relationship thats been going for 4months but only because i have known the person for 2yrs before hand and took the time to get to know them and think about decisions. I mean far out once i eventually had feeling for him it took me a month to decide if i was going to show my feelings or not because i was thinking about if I thought it was a relationship both he and I could work well in. Then you got others who after 3 months of knowing someone say they want to marry them!

[Unit1]

Some game to be played. I couldn't have said it better myself. What game is there if it is about a relationship? Never really understood it myself. It's stupid.
This is what accelerates the vicious cycle of hating the opposite sex and infects the others with their own bitterness. What happened to love? It's almost dead and only so few understand the concept of relationships actually being about love, not some sort of a chess game with men and women.

[Bezbozhnikustanka]

Married people have always made eachother's lives a living hell, it's just that in the "Good Old Days" they stuck it out until one of them died, that's what my parents did, nowerdays people feel free to get divorced when love turns to hate.

[RedMatch]

@Bezbozhnikustanka I disagree not everyone who married in "the good old days" stuck to it because they have to, my grandparents are perfect example of it, i live with them for the past 12yrs and sure they have difficulties but they couldn't care for one another more.

[RedMatch]

@Unit1 I don't know, i agree its a pretty shit game if you ask me. But some people still know what it is and I am glad for them who know what it is. Have a good week 🙃

[Unit1]

Thanks lady.
I can't wait for the day, that i will meet a good woman 👩 not playing this "game" (as i don't). 😎
Wish you well too!

[Blaze7924]

Naw it's mostly the fault of greedy feminists, John Rockerfeller, and women. Women nowadays just take and take without offering anything in return. They demand everything and share nothing. They judge men while demanding not to be judged. They shame men while demanding not to be shamed. Feminism has made the role of the father into that of an oafish dolt in MSM. He gets zero respect, his wife and children hardly respect him. He's seen as an idiot by his neighbors, a goof by he public, and his in laws usually spend most of their face to face time trying to punk on him or prove that he's not good enough to be with their daughter. He gets shafted in the family courts, shut out by the liberal government picked on by other women, and plagued by his own insecurities and shortcomings since his shortcomings are all everyone seems to point out. I don't think love is dead, I think accountability, personal responsibility, respect, and among other things is being washed away.

[kaylaS91]

... none of the things you've listed above have had even a bit of an effect on my own relationship, nor the several 4-5 year long relationships my friends are in. Most of them are engaged or will be getting engaged within the next year so I'm not really sure what you're getting at with this take?

Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you've based your idea of the relationship between man and women purely off of what you've read in MGTOW/feminism forums.

[BraveHeart97]

They are not wrong though. Feminism and MGTOW is growing everyday. They will continue to have influence on the media and the younger generation and that is why our society will eventually collapse.

[kaylaS91]

lol you're seriously blaming movements like feminism + mgtow that really only hold a lot of gravity in online forums like this for leading to the eventual collapse of society when ISIS and various related organizations are bombing different cities across Europe/north america on an almost weekly basis?
Based on your logic (or lack thereof), I'm gonna guess you're an avid participant in MGTOW/redpiller forums.

[RedVulcan]

@BraveHeart97 That's a slippery slope fallacy. You are part of the ignorance, not some prophet of the end.

[BraveHeart97]

I don't agree with the woman hating that goes on those forums but they might have a point. Feminists were the ones hat advocated for open borders so yes, they are partially to blame for the terrorists attacks that have been happening lately.

[RedVulcan]

The European Union will collapse, probably due to huge numbers of immigrants, yes, but the individual countries left standing after will probably stabilize.
Terrorism doesn't have much to do with this question though...

[lordpokerface]

Although this is a balanced myTake, and it's obvious from the language that you've used that you have put in a lot of thought into the subject.

However, the way I see it, this era is not one of patience. Everybody expects quick results. People aren't willing to commit to many things, including love. Everyone seemingly has too much on their plate, and prioritise some things, and leave other activities in the dust. It's sad, but it is how it is. I see elder people, and sometimes ask them how they've ended up being together for so long. Their answer is simple. "Whatever problem we have, we commit ourselves to fixing it, no matter the cost".

[JDavid25]

The second part is pretty damn true.. LOL..

[RJGraveyTrain]

I get along with men just fine and I have an amazing boyfriend so I don't think it's over between men and women. Extremists just have a hard time interacting with normal people.

[BraveHeart97]

Unfortunately, you are part of the small minority.

[RJGraveyTrain]

Literally all of my female friends are like me: these people you speak of I have only seen on the internet. I know none of them personally.

[RJGraveyTrain]

However what I do agree with casual sex and relationship aren't valued the same as it was - but I still know tons of people who look for genuine relationships and who have genuine ones.

[BraveHeart97]

I guess it depends on area then. I live in California, LA and most people here tend to don't give a shit about anyone but themselves.

[RJGraveyTrain]

Well that sucks. Come to Canada.

[Unit1]

Me too. At least i strive for being awesome and befriending the opposite sex, even if i make fun of female stereotypes a lot lately. 😀

[redeyemindtricks]

L. A. checkin in.

There are plenty of men *and* women of character here -- as there are just about everywhere else.
If yr experience is rlly "no one gives a shit about anyone else"... you may want to try looking in the mirror? Because 95% of what you get, here, is what you put out in the first place.

Remember: If everyone else is the problem, then, actually, everyone else isn't the problem; in that case, it's on you.

[RJGraveyTrain]

@redeyemindtricks Fair point.

[thelastvalkyrie]

Lucky you I rarely meet good men so I just gave up. Now I just worry about myself. I would rather be single than in a shitty relationship.

[BraveHeart97]

@redeyemindtricks But that's just simplictic thinking. I'm compassionate but I sometimes I find myself around toxic people and I'm sure it has nothing to do with me. I guess I just have a curse of attracting the wrong people 😕.

[DanoMR98]

BS Post; MGTOW is the way to go.

Women and leftists worked to destroy the family unit. Western society at large will pay a heavy price for this up until collapse or replacement.

All women want to be conquered. They're useless whores. That's why nationalist women are so rare. It's evolution. Men have an honour code and innate tribal loyalty. It's how they banned together to fight the foreign.

Women are programmed to shack up with the victor. Husband lost to battle? Oh well, she'll marry the foreign conqueror and be back to sewing and making jewellery son. Women only have an allegiance to themselves and their children, even if the child is from some guy halfway around the world.

Every society in history knew this, and it's why women had to be removed from policy making and public office. Men have always known a woman's nature, they cannot be trusted to value and maintain their own society or culture as a whole.

[castratedwhiteguy]

Harsh but true...

[username97]

"If the man’s world is said to be the State, his struggle, his readiness to devote his powers to the service of the community, then it may perhaps be said that the woman’s is a smaller world. For her world is her husband, her family, her children, and her home. But what would become of the greater world if there were no one to tend and care for the smaller one? How could the greater world survive if there were no one to make the cares of the smaller world the content of their lives? No, the greater world is built on the foundation of this smaller world. This great world cannot survive if the smaller world is not stable. Providence has entrusted to the woman the cares of that world which is her very own, and only on the basis of this smaller world can the man’s world be formed and built up. The two worlds are not antagonistic. They complement each other, they belong together just as man and woman belong together."

Don't be MGTOW. Embrace struggle its what defines us as humans.

[BraveHeart97]

You might be right but I don't think so. Women have contributed so much over the years especially during ww1 and ww2 when men have to go and fight. I think the women who call themselves feminists are just narcisstic or brainwashed beyond repair.

[DanoMR98]

@username97 My comment only shows why women belong in the smaller world.

[Bezbozhnikustanka]

What about Lyudmila Mikalovna Pavlichenko?

[samhradh_leannan]

I've never had trouble getting along with men, and I'm in a steady relationship. It'll only be over between men and women if we let it. I think enough people want to get along thatfor the most part, things will pull through.

[fabulouspancakes]

Although many of the things you say are true, it's easy to romanticize the past when you haven't lived through it. Relationships have always been and always will be complicated because of human nature. When you look at history it's really shocking how little PEOPLE change despite massive changes in technology and culture.

[BlondeBlueEyes84]

100% true when it comes to White men and White women. It's definitely over between the two.
In my region more and more White men are getting with Asian women. I feel like it's up 200% over the last year alone.
And even the White + White couples that you still see will break up eventually. I just know it. They have that vibe.
White women, with their anti-White male feminism, liberal views, nagging, etc, are completely undesirable for White men nowadays.

I mean, there is a reason why most White women are never getting hit on, or asked out ONCE in their entire life by a single White man.
And White, blonde women, they are basically cursed. They ONLY get hit on by ugly Black and Brown "men", sometimes by Asian "men".

It's over. Most White men are MGTOW anyway, even if they never heard of the term itself.

[nevermoregirl7]

Lol. I love that you chose a feminist picture that captures signs of legit reasons feminism is still needed, while arguing against it. Honestly, I am not surprised by your opinion. As for MGTOW, there has always been men who refuse relationship and commitment, but cute they decided to make a name of it. You can't specifically say love is dead because there in lies many different types of love from practical to manic. If you want to say romance is dead, slightly believable, however, attraction and the first months to a year would still say love is thriving. And finally, I agree most aspects about family, but both sexes of parent has been proven to be like a bonus more than a must. I know a lot of kids from single parent situations that did just find and actually have a much closer relationship with that parent. People in general just live up to things differently, which is where the nature vs. nurture argument stems from.

If it helps, I still like guys. So, no hope is lost here.

[gaguser2453]

daddy issues is a real thing.

[gaguser2453]

and no, feminism is not needed, equal rights for any group of people is needed. no ones issues is bigger than any one elses.

[youtoo]

I'm sorry that you've gotten to this point. Just remember that we're all doing what MSM wants, like feminism and MGTOW. The powers that be want to divide and conquer. Don't let them win.

[BraveHeart97]

I feel like we don't really have a choice at this point. Who knows? Maybe they've already won.

[Unit1]

We are from Mars and those magical creatures called women are from Womenus.
Fun side, that was a Very good written mytake. I see you made the research what has made us so divided like two magnets repelling from each other.

But if i am honest i see the gender war only online here. When i go outside i don't see almost any gender fights. But this is also because i choose to stay away from gynocentrism. I just wish i could find women, who are as obsessed with men as i am obsessed with women and make love.

I personally deal with misandry by not paying any attention, not responding to these and ignoring men hating assfaces. As well as ignoring misogynists.

I especially agree on the issue of love dying which results in the men and women hating each other causing more disharmony and set in motion a vicious cycle of bitterness infecting the others with their own misery.

I mean damn it, relax y'all. We are all the same humans after all!