What Feminism Is Really About

[jannette723]

I feel like there are a lot of misconceptions about feminism. Mainly, that it's all about man hating. As a feminist, I feel like I have to clear that up.

What feminism is:

• Wanting equality for men and women


• Women wanting the same rights, chances and privileges that men have


• Equal pay for equal work (If we’re doing the same work, why should men get paid more?)

What it's not:

• Man-hating


• I feel like I have to repeat this: feminism is NOT man hating

Despite what you may think I'm not here to turn you all into feminists. I just wanted to clear up some of the misconceptions. Whether or not you classify yourself as a feminist its important to understand what it's really about.

If you still hate the word, it is not the word that is important. It’s the idea and the ambition behind it.

-Emma Watson

[AllAboutTheX]

There is NO misconceptions about feminism.
Stating that is isn't about man-hating, does not prove that is isn't all about man hating. The ACTIONS of feminist groups prove what it is all about... and that is anti-male agenda.

Equality for men and women would mean that they believe in giving up female benefits to become equal with men too. Not just taking away benefits men have.
There would be feminist fighting for the issues of men equally with the issues of women, not just asking men to fight along with women for the issues of women. (Emma Watson / HE for SHE)
We wouldn't have Men's issues picketed, and marginalized by feminist... Ex: University of Toronto - Speaker for issue of Boys in school.

The WAGE GAP is one of the most annoying myths and is so easily shows as false... These misinformation's are another common negative for your movement. Fighting for things that aren't valid, trivializes real issues.

"Man-Hating: I feel I have to repeat this" If feminist do NOT want their ideology associated with man hate, they should be working to STOP the actions of those who prove that it is about man hate. Instead of studying, glorifying, and idolizing those "icons" of feminism. Solanas, Dworkins... etc.
Feminist NEVER stifle those "rouge" feminist who spew anti-male garbage. I would NEVER be a part of a group that allowed such crap to be done in name of the group.

I would love for someone to clear up the misconceptions, but unfortunately, just saying that they aren't real, does NOT make them untrue. The ACTIONS need to change in order for it to be true.

"If you still hate the word, it is not the word that is important. It’s the idea and the ambition behind it." - EW
Well Emma, we don't give a crap about the word, we care about the idea and the ambition behind it, which unfortunately isn't positive.

[Longblackveil]

thank you. this was a poorly written take. Your response went in to detail and you substantiated it. instead of just making a baseless claim which isjanette did basically

[AllAboutTheX]

I decided to come off Anon, since that seems to be an excuse in other comments to ignore valid comments.

[KleinTeef]

Your OpInion, @AllAboutTheX, has more substance than the whole Take. You raised some very intellectual points and deserve the praise you get.

[ComDom]

Very well written. It's cool when people stand up for the truth.

“All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.” - Galileo Galilei

"If you still hate the word, it is not the word that is important. It’s the idea and the ambition behind it."

I'd take it a step further and say that words don't typically mean just one thing. They usually have more than one definition. ESPECIALLY Feminism. It's original (and mostly current) function was (is) a focus ONLY on women's rights not what it claims now... 'equality of the sexes'.

[Tokana]

I disagree.

1. It's not about equality between men and women (I'll explain why)

2. Women may want the same rights and privileges that men have yet don't want to do with the negatives of being a man in society.

3. Equal pay for equal work?

It's not that simple. How do you know that the man doesn't have more experience, more education and is a lot more qualified to do the job? Studies have shown that men do possess these qualities and that men are more determined to get promoted and move up in the company more so than women who take a more holistic approach to their career.

When public spaces are cordoned off at certain times specifically for women (public gyms) while both men and women pay the same amount. I never hear a word from feminists.

When men constantly lose custody of their child in court and. are forced to pay child support and are treated as walking wallets. I never hear a word from feminists.

When. men's rights groups make. legitimate claims and are unable to hold meetings because feminists are protesting and are physically attacking speakers and attendees. I never hear a word from moderate feminists.

That's my take on feminism. Although I'm sure there is more.

[miserybusiness]

Feminism began as a movement attempting to equalize the huge societal and economic gap between men and women. I'm sure you wouldn't deny the struggle women had in the past, so yes, that is what feminism was originally about. Some of these issues still exist in more subtle matters in America unless you go abroad to countries where women are still oppressed, where feminism is extremely necessary.

Can you expand on the "negatives" of being a man? There's no doubt that there are indeed negatives and like every movement, hypocrisies. And it does suck. But last time I checked, women have to deal with more, regardless of what culture you're apart of. I know for a fact that in my culture, women are constantly exchanged to men like meat... they have to fight for their education, their careers... sometimes they have to give it all up because no man wants a working woman. Once you leave America's protective shell, you'll realize how necessary feminism is.

[ShaeNielson]

You explained what this girl just said feminism is not.. Some crazy feminazies have stolen and abused the term "feminism" made it symbol oppression of men, and completely slaughtered what real feminism is about.

2: No we can't deal with the negatives of being a man in todays society, why? Because we are not men, it's that simple. Equally you men can't deal with the negatives of being a woman, not the negatives that feminism is trying to (and actually can) fight, but the negatives that almost comes with being female. In that way, both genders have their struggles.

3: "Equal par for equal work" Means when the man and the woman, have the same qualifications and experience of course..

[Tokana]

Negatives of being a man:

1. Your life is worth less than that of a woman

- Ever hear the expression, women and children first. That implies that the lives of women and children are worth more than that of men.

- In the Iraq war 98% of American casualities were men yet the American population is approximately 50% men and 50% women

-During the economic downturn the death at the workplace ratio began to change and relatively speaking more women were dying at the workplace; feminist complained and wanted the government to intervene. When you looked at the numbers in absolute terms, it wasn't that more women were dying its was just that men weren't dying often enough to place the ratio back at 1 female death to 20 male deaths.

Males are treated a lot harsher in the court system, men receive 63% more stiffer sentences than women and are subjected to police brutality more often and are more likely to die while in custody.

Women have to fight for their education? There are now more

[Tokana]

women in post secondary studies than there are men. For every 100 students, 55 of them are women.

Do you honestly think that society is only bad towards women? It goes both ways.

I think feminism has better ground to stand on in the middle east and Africa, but in terms of western democracies. Its run its course, and in Scandinavian countries I wouldn't be surprised if they do something like ban men there. You need to seriously read the laws they've implemented to 'help' women there. lol

[Gouthamfab]

You can say all you want but facts become less substabtial when emotion runs high. Feminism was the need of the hour during the hippie period. Now it is well balanced. Just because there are dick heads doesn't make sexism some controlled mechanism. I am from india. I see a lot stuff happening against women and i support their cause. What i have seen in USA is just unbelievable! Who chooses freedom of speech? The victim card thrown on every damn time. Millions of women are successful in their career. We cannot swap gender roles. Lets see what we are good at and help in that way. Men are likely at the end every bad thing happened. Mens right activists are laughed at by feminists. Look at UK for examples.

I love women who can separate bullshit and reality. Women in my family dont bitch about stupid things and blamenon men. They work to their skills. I can go on and on in a more point wise manner, but you get the point.

[rocelot]

If you want equality don't call yourself a feminist. Feminism embraces and endorses people like Andrea Dworkin, promote's works such as the SCUM Manifesto, and prominent female feminist individuals in high standing in business and politics have gone on record promoting man hating, express deep content towards men, or conflate female power with ones ability to harm men. Want don't you just google something along the lines of 'absurd feminist quotes' and look up each person who says just who they are.

Feminism, as it was, a social movement to promote women's rights is hard to find faults with. As a political science, such as patriarchy theory, is abhorrently disgusting that promotes hate. If you want equality between the sexes there's a word for that; its called egalitarian. It doesn't come with the baggage of feminism.

Any movement that suggests the personal is political as a foundational philosophy encourages radicalization within its members. As a man who cares for his well being I'd be stupid to agree with "feminism" since the name itself suggest interest in women before men. No matter how they define themselves. So don't bring this up as a discussion point and get all offended when someone tells you to fuck off (maybe not in so many words.)

PS if you believe you have a strong rebuttal to this half hartted, half thought out argument then feel free to respond. I encourage you. But make it good or I'll just troll you.

[LauraMarx]

u listed some of my favourite writers and works

[LauraMarx]

to call a man an animal is to flatter him

[LauraMarx]

he's a machine

[LauraMarx]

a walking dildo

[ComDom]

@LauraMarx Charming? I can only imagine the fellows must be lining around the block to get a piece of you? I can only hope that you're joking.

[LauraMarx]

@ComDom im a lesbian separatist doofus -.-

[ComDom]

@LauraMarx touche lol you win this round.

[LauraMarx]

@ComDom ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Anonymous]

It's you who is mistaken about what feminism really is. You're simply parroting the dictionary definition, which everyone knows is meaningless. Like anyone else, feminists should be judged based on their actions rather than what they want us to think they are.

So, let's talk about what feminists DO rather than what they SAY. There are feminists protesting everywhere, all the time... so show me the ones who are protesting the fact that men get significantly higher conviction rates and longer sentences for the same crimes. Can you fucking imagine the feminist shit storm we would be in if those tables were turned?

Show me the feminists who are lobbying to change the laws that allow women to have all reproductive rights. Show me where the feminists are who are doing something the fact that boys are falling behind in our feminized school system. Show me the feminists who are complaining about the fact that men account for only 40% of college graduates today, despite the fact that all the gender-specific scholarships and government grants are for women, NOT men. Can your imagine the shrill voices that would be screaming in our ears from every direction is those men's and women's positions were reversed in that scenario?

Feminism is NOT about equality for men and women. It's about advancing women's interests, period. Feminism is about achieving rights without responsibilities. THAT is what feminism is REALLY about.

Frankly, it's a fucking insult to claim that feminists care about the welfare of men. It's like suggesting Nazis cared about the welfare of Jews. Please stop saying that because is disingenuous and just makes you seem even more dishonest.

[jannette723]

I would take you more seriously if you weren't just some anonymous person on the internet.

[Opinion Owner]

Thanks for your thoughtful response.

[jannette723]

I commented a more "thoughtful" response on a recent comment. It also applies to your comments, so if you want you can read it otherwise, you're welcome.

[Opinion Owner]

If that's what you consider "thoughtful", I guess it explains why you support feminism.

Women do not get paid less for the same work. That's one of many lies feminism perpetuates for the purpose of keeping naive young women like you angry at men and society. It's true that the average woman earns less than the average man, but that is NOT the same as earning less for the same work. Women make different life choices than men, they earn different degrees, they pursue different careers, they work fewer hours, they remove themselves from the workforce for long periods of time. Those are just a few of the reasons women earn less than men, and they are all due to YOUR CHOICES.

When studies take into account those factors, not only does the infamous wage gap disappear, some studies show it actually reverses. www.wsj.com/.../SB10001424052748704415104576250672504707048

[Opinion Owner]

Men have more opportunities? Not so much. Several of my male and female friends are in med school. The girls had a much easier time being accepted due to the different entrance criteria for males and females. That goes on everywhere.

What you're seeking as a feminist is even more advantages for women. That is NOT equality; that is bias.

What you are doing is being a false victim. That is not justice; it is feminist bullshit.

Please, please educate yourself on the what is really going on in the West today, because you clearly are ignorant of the facts. If you want to talk about places in the world where women are truly oppressed, that's great. I'm all for it. But here in the West, feminists are nothing more than a bunch of whiny false victims and society has had more than enough of that.

[kheserthorpe]

There are a variety of views that fall under the umbrella of feminism. Some of them are clearly not egalitarian. Yet they are still considered 'feminists'.

I've said elsewhere, that would 'feminism' really seems to mean is a belief that women's rights or position in society relative to men needs to be improved. People who don't hold that view and believe in equality are unlikely to describe themselves as feminists. Yet I think all self-described feminists would hold that view. So I'd suggest that's what it -really- means.

By that definition, I'm probably NOT a feminist in north america (though there are particular things I'd like to see improved for both men and women). I AM a feminists if you drop me into saudi arabia or afghanistan. Within those cultures, I don't simply think 'there are issues for boys and girls' though that's true, I would also hold the view that women IN PARTICULAR are being oppressed.

There are many 'egalitarians' who are not 'feminists' because they don't agree that women are in a disadvantaged position overall in the west. Hence they are pro-equality, and maybe even pro certain ideas feminists would wish, but overall not 'feminists'.

[Anonymous]

Feminism is largely 'led' by radical feminists who spew their vile hatred of men. And part of the reason they get so much attention and are not degraded by other self-proclaimed feminists is because for the most part feminists agree with them, to some degree, they just won't admit.

They are chameleons that will mutate into whatever they need to be in order to survive and snuff out the competition. Radical feminism is either a virus or a cancer. Both replicate (or mutate) rapidly and fool the host into thinking it isn't a threat until it's too late and it destroys the body it occupies altogether.

These feminists do feel men are fundamentally the problem on some level. Now, I'm not talking about feminine men. I'm talking about masculine men that imbue and radiate power. This strange dichotomy of love and hate of men causes resentment and admiration at the same time.

The ONLY true solution for equal opportunity is some form of "Equalism" because deep down it isn't about race, age, or sex... it's about people having the same chances without being held back because of something they can't control.

Feminism is a movement that probably needs to fade away (or be removed) before it mutates more from its original goal of RAISING women to the same 'level' of men into becoming our constitution or something. Feminism has nothing to do with helping men contrary to what they will tell you. It is about women. That's why it's called feminism.

Words mean what they mean and contrary to what radical feminists believe science/truth deserves to win, not their dogmatic deceit.

Fem- having to do with females
Ism- : the act, practice, or process of doing something
: behavior like that of a specified kind of person or thing

[Opinion Owner]

I should have said it's like a virus or cancer (not that it is literally).

[booo159]

Well said...

[Opinion Owner]

Thank you!

[Cyberguy57]

The biggest problem with feminism is that it makes men out to be the enemy, victimizes women and depicts men as aggressors working conspiratorially to uphold some oppressive patriarchal structure, when what we actually face are archaic social constructs (upheld equally by both genders) which are no longer suitable. Feminism also tends to only focus on the aggressions of a minority of men and only on misogynist behaviors. Mistreatment of men and general misandry are largely ignored by feminism, and anyone who claims that men might in some way be slightly disadvantaged by the same archaic social constructs which feminism purports to stand against (especially now that women's position in society has long since changed but there still hasn't been a balancing effect for men), or that men may also have rights that aren't necessarily respected and are sometimes victims, is shamed and excluded by the very feminists who claim to want equality. what they really want, according to their actions, is a matriarchy in which women hold all the power, but unlike the archaic patriarchy, they have no intention of supporting the men they've displaced. this comes of as being against men in general, hence the common belief that feminists are actually man haters. You're free to call me a sissy boy or a man child now if you feel that will make my opinion irrelevant. (I hope you'll forgive me if I'm somewhat biased due to previous conversations with self proclaimed feminists as well as general social observations and being on my own side, being a guy and all).

[Cyberguy57]

Edit (since I can't edit): "Feminism also tends to only focus on the aggressions of a minority of men and only on misogynist behaviors" > "Feminism also tends to only focus on the aggressions of a minority of men, applying these to all men, and only ever focuses on misogynist behaviors"

[Cyberguy57]

and it's unreasonable to say that I should make feminism about men. If feminism claims to want gender equality, then it must also be willing to face gender related problems that men face, and must include men in the conversation about gender equality, even if they actually care about the well being of their own gender. Feminism currently seems to be of, by and for women, excluding men except for those traitors who only see the woman's perspective and are willing to overlook grievances against their own gender.

[Cyberguy57]

that I *Shouldn't*, make feminism about men, that is.

[Yogue7]

My doctors told my wife my medical information when she asked what she could do to help me and make sure I was fine when I went to the doctor for a checkup and found out I had a issue. I'm fine with that because she is my wife. When I went with her to a clinic for birth control they acted as if I wasn't even there and wouldn't tell me anything. Not even the price which I was paying. They told her how much and then I paid. Just to show them how I felt about that I asked her right there in front of them and she told me what they had told her. The woman behind the counter looked upset and that made me happy because the way they treated me. So from personal experience feminism is only about advancing the rights of women and has nothing to do with making things equal between the genders. Also, as you may have noted I posted under my name.

[_lovii_]

I agree with you but I would just like to put one more thing in there.
Men also have big problems now a days that need to be more open and understood.

Discrimination in child custody cases, unrealistic body standards (as well as girls), discrimination against male victims of domestic violence and men keeping quiet about sexual assault that happened to them because in a way it's "unrealistic","embarrassing" or "not manly".
im a proud feminist and I want to make the world better for both men and women.

*Equal treatment

*Equal pay

Just equal.

[jannette723]

Yup, like when Shia LaBeouf said he was raped and people didn't take him seriously. That's the kind of thing that needs to stop.

[_lovii_]

Definitely, I could never imagine that feeling.

[Watermelonoma]

"Equal pay for equal work (If we’re doing the same work, why should men get paid more?)"

The wage gap is due to the fact that women go for lower paying jobs. Even the U. S. Department of Labour knows this, which is why they concluded that the 23-cent wage gap "may be almost entirely the result of individual choices being made by both male and female workers."

www.consad.com/.../...e%20Gap%20Final%20Report.pdf

This is part of the problem I have with feminists sometimes. They overreach.

[Anonymous]

1. "Wanting equality for men and women"... not wanting empowerment of women on the cost of male rights.
2. "Women wanting the same rights, chances and privileges that men have"... yes without the disadvantages and without giving men the same rights as women.
3. "Equal pay for equal work (If we’re doing the same work, why should men get paid more?)"... already achieved in all most all western countries, yet still lied about for political reasons.

Try to watch this video, a feminist actually using facts (very rare for a feminist):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TR_YuDFIFI

[Paradoxical_Pro]

This is a touchy subject XD True feminism is for equality amongst all genders, period. However, the current feminist movement is rife with women who absolutely despise men; to the point of being terrifying and insane!

It's like religion: it's supposed to be about peace and love and tolerance, but then you get shit like the crusades, the inquisition, and 9/11.

If you really want to gain momentum for equality, I'd start by removing the pathogens inside of Feminism first. Open disgust and ridicule works great: look at "Frown Power"!

[jannette723]

A touchy subject that needs to be talked about. Even if some people don't like/disagree with it.

[Paradoxical_Pro]

Don't get me wrong: I completely agree! Feminism the philosophy is fantastic! Gender equality is obvious and necessary; anyone who argues against it in principle is a bigot, and most likely an imbecile.

However, radicals within the movement are undermining its appeal. Feminism is supposed champion the rights of BOTH men and women; not just break down guys as much as possible, though I understand why some might think that's the way.

[ComDom]

No. Feminism as a movement and its definition are about elevating women with respect to rights. That's why it's called feminism.

Feminism definition:
: organized activity in support of women's rights and interests

At best feminism could be defined in more than one way but its original goal and roots would remain.

Fem- having to do with females
Ism- a belief, attitude, style, etc., that is referred to by a word that ends in the suffix -ism

[Paradoxical_Pro]

I'm really not sure I understand, to be honest. I'm not arguing against the principles; simply the methods of (I assume) a minority.

Here, let me show you, ye of little sight!

“To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he’s a machine, a walking dildo.” -– Valerie Solanas

“The more famous and powerful I get the more power I have to hurt men.” — Sharon Stone

“The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race.” — Sally Miller Gearhart

“Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience.” – Catherine Comins

If you argue that these statements are acceptable, you're an enemy to equality. In fact, "monstrously evil" probably fits better!

“If you’re going to say feminism is not a man-hating movement, I’m going to have to insist that you provide links either to sites showing feminists condemning the statements listed above, or feminists telling women to respect men as men.” -Kelly Mac

[ComDom]

@Paradoxical_Pro Oh wait I think we're on different pages. I agree with you. I misunderstood. I think my point was supposed to be that it would make more sense to have something that supposedly is meant to elevate men and women (and people in general) would be more appropriately named "egalitarianism" or something similar.

It would, seemingly, make more sense and serve the function it claims to serve while also having a clearly defined meaning without so many different groups of people that believe different things, like the radical feminists who claim to be feminists do. That's my rationale anyway. Words are supposed to mean things in my opinion.

[Paradoxical_Pro]

@ComDom Yay, more harmony has been achieved! =D

Ah, I see whatcha mean now! Hmm, you're right: it does seem like it should have a different name now. I guess it was originally called "feminism" because it was originally just to empower women, who's rights were, up until that point, not even considered XD I doubt ANYONE at that time was even close to realizing that men's roles are harmful, too!

don't know if you can change the name of an entire glibal sociopolitical movement, but if you wanna try I'm all for it!

[ComDom]

@Paradoxical_Pro Harmony ftw xD but yeah I mostly agree. But what about evolutionary tendencies that males and females have... with respect to their hormones and what not? I don't think you can fit all men and all women into one model because people can be SO different but there are patterns because of biology...

[Paradoxical_Pro]

@ComDom It's the brony way, man! =P

See, that's where it gets tricky... One thing that ticks me off is the denial of sexual dimorphism! Men generally have more testosterone, and so usually have more muscle mass and are more aggressive; it's NOT just that we're raised differently. If males and females aren't different physically, why don't they all play sport together? I mean damn, let's face it: races almost need their own leagues again (black guys are apparently much better at football than whites XD ), so why are people to afraid to admit that yeah, different people are different just from genetics?

So, I guess the answer is to just, *erhm* Love and Tolerate everypony! Er, one. =P Basically, my fundamental guideline "Does X action hurt anyone who isn't consenting, or their property?" If no, then it's none of my business. =P

[ComDom]

@Paradoxical_Pro makes sense to me xD I pretty much agree with you again. Very well articulated!

[Paradoxical_Pro]

@ComDom

Heh, thanks! I'm pretty sure I had an even more elegant phrasing for that at one point, but meh; plus this site gives me issues when typing =P

[RationalMale]

The more women cry out, "Hey wait, feminism isn't about all that man hating you've seen!" The more I laugh. Soon, calling a woman "femnazi" will be as brutal as calling her a slut or a whore.

It doesn't matter what the core idea is/was, it matters what the people do. It's like how islam *might* be a peaceful religion, but it is now synonymous with "brutal, barbaric terrorism" because that's what muslims have done with it.

Oh, and there is no pay gap. Men are willing to work longer hours, commute farther, and major in tougher things. (English won't make you as much cash as Engineering, duh.) Hence, men make more.

Unless you're talking about women and men in their 20's, then in that case, women out earn men on average by a few points.

[shyguy227]

Dont wanna kick the bee hive too much but if these feminists who genuinley wish to have eaquilness and everything with fair share of both benifits and work then why dont they claim to be Egalitarians instead of feminists?

Simply curious is all : )

https://dictionary.reference.com/browse/egalitarian

[OpenClose]

I agree. You should take a look at my take series on feminists and MRAs.

One way I think feminism shoots itself in the foot is "keeping" their extremists. For instance, there could be a book called "the superior vagina", and it would be standard reading in gender studies courses. I remember in High School, history classes and health courses that mentioned feminism also mentioned Valerie Solanas, who wrote the SCUM manifesto and tried to assassinate Andy Warhol, as an admirable feminist, rather than an extremist.

[AleDeEurope]

I agree 1000% with what Emma Watson said. People just focus on the word, when they should focus on the meaning of it. Many people still believe it's man hating even when they read the definition of Feminism. But the problem comes from women that are man-haters and call themselves feminists. They're the ones that make more noise, the ones people hear the most about, so it creates this false image of what feminism is.

I'm a feminist, I support women's equality to men. It's not just something moral, believing we're all humans and both genders deserve the same respect, but thinking close about it, having women at the same level as men will benefit the society as a whole.

[the_champ]

You may SAY this but ACTIONS speak louder then words. The wage gap is a myth. Either way women are the ones who spend 80% of disposable income, guys barely even spend that cash on themselves but use it to treat their women. And to your point of being hired for leadership positions men are more competitive by nature and usually are busting their ass cause they have so much more to lose as they have a wife and kids at home to support so working their way up to get more money is much more necessary. Whereas the women either just has herself to support or has a man to help support her so theirs no need to break her neck for the job, its very rare to hear of a women supporting a husband and kids her whole life, it does happen but its super rare.

[Meee97]

Dude, that's not entirely what's going on these days... Have you ever heard of a term "single mother?" do you have any idea how many are there in the world? This is the 21st century, and the standart "man supports family, and woman looks after the house" is no longer valid... There still are cases like that, yes, but there are many different situations, so I don't believe it's fair that men get bigger pay, just for the sake of a stereotype...

[Cyberguy57]

That's true 97, but it's still extremely rare for any woman to consider EVER supporting a man. And single mothers can draw child support and alimony, and almost always have exclusive rights to the kids and the house (which was usually his, but the unequal and inferior female is absolutely unable to support herself without the sole right to HIS assets. divorce laws don't support the feminism ideals of gender equality in the slightest).

[genericname85]

so when was the last time, a feminist fought for male rights to have a say in abortions or male rights to claim alimony from a female after he was left by her or females to pay for dates, if it´s all about equality? :D i mostly agree with your take though. so don´t take my comment as a raging feminist hater ^^ this is just what came to my mind.

[amphet11]

The definition and the movement are two very different things. "Equal pay for equal work (If we’re doing the same work, why should men get paid more?)" like Emma watson you don't know what you are talking about, men and women get payed the same for the same work, it is literally a legal statute in almost all countries, for example it has been federal law in America since 1963, a legal statute in Australia since 1958, and i have lived in a lot of African countries and they exist in all of them. Only a select few countries in Asia don't have equal pay for equal work. The "wage gap" is calculated on a gross amount per sector, not for the same work, if they could hire women to do the same job as a man but pay her less, why wouldn't they just hire women and save money. This is why people hate feminism, it spreads bullshit propaganda.

[Anonymous]

I think it's ironic that you quoted Emma Watson, whose speech to the UN was a sales pitch for "He for She". How fitting is that!

You're incredibly naive if you actually believe feminism is about what you say it is. I honestly don't understand why women like you are still trying to save the sinking ship that is today's feminism. Gynocentrism is so yesterday.

[jannette723]

Like I told another anonymous commenter, I would take you more seriously if you weren't just some anonymous guy on the internet trying to bring down a woman who just wants EQUALITY. You obviously don't care about feminism because you are a man and it doesn't affect you in any way. YOU are the one who gets paid more, YOU are the one who gets chances (you maybe don't deserve) just because you are a man. You are on the other side of this, so you don't care. That is all I will say to you. I will not be competing back, so thank you for your opinion.

[Opinion Owner]

I'm not really concerned with whether or not you take me seriously. My comments are more for other readers than for you.

I will never pass up an opportunity to publicly call bullshit on someone who says feminism is about equality.

[LeonardChurch]

@jannette723

This is another problem with feminism. Anyone who disagrees with a feminist is "trying to bring down a woman."

And on top of that, first you said that feminism is about equality for men and women and then you say in your comment that he doesn't care about feminism because it doesn't affect him. Pick one.

Also, check your facts, men do not get paid more than women.

[jannette723]

Sir, you can call bull on whatever you want. That won't change my opinion. Women like me will continue to fight for equal rights despite men like you telling us how "naive" we are.

[LeonardChurch]

When did I call you naive?

[jannette723]

Sorry for the confusion @LeonardChurch my comment was for the opinion owner

[LeonardChurch]

Ok, sorry.

[Opinion Owner]

@LeonardChurch - exactly. I'm beginning to believe that the few women who still support feminism have a brain defect that prevents them from recognizing hypocrisy.

@jannette723 - what you're saying is that feminism supports equality for women but not for men. That's not equality. Look up the definition of "equal" and educate yourself for a change. It's a very unambiguous term until feminists get involved. LOL.

[abzence]

Feminism cares about women alone. That's not hating men, just ignoring their issues and needs and when they are discriminated against. If this continues it will be so unbalanced that we will probably find masculism movements popping up where men have to desperately defend their rights because they have been eroding away and gone ignored for so long.

I would prefer that we would defend the rights of all humans, not just women. That's also why I'm an egalitarian.

[inamorata]

Here's a lovely video... =)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm3FlbUf5gA

[M_A_X]

I love that woman. She's so awesome.

[inamorata]

@M_A_X Imagine if she replaced twerking celebrities as an idol for young girls? *O*

[M_A_X]

I'd cry manly tears

[inamorata]

@M_A_X Haha. xD