I don't have any problem with Wicca. The problem is that Wicca was one of the competing religions when Christianity was developing. So the christian religion twisted things to make Wicca sound more evil. It is no coincidence that Satan is commonly seen as having horns, and goat legs, because that is how the male god in Wicca was often portrayed. A lot of people in Wicca still refer to him as the horned god. So in some aspects the Christians have long been making the claim that the male Wicca god is Satan in order to create hate and intolerance.
Even though Wicca has no has no actual connection to the Christian faith, Christians have stolen enough of the pagan history and traditions to make it appear there is a connection. As a result many Christians ignorant of their own faith will accuse you have worshiping the devil, since they don't know where one religion ends, and another religion begins. One could say that Christianity developed around Wicca, and as a result it is a matter of perspective if you believe one of the more popular male Wicca gods is actually Satan or not.
I actually find the history of Wicca really interesting. While they don't worship sex, from the perspective of a culture that represses sexuality it may certainly seem that way. Since there is no single wiccan bible that I am aware of, some can seem extremely sexual in comparison with what Christianity has taught. I saw a woman online trying to explain her wiccan faith, and she said even the broom sticks are suppose to be representative of the penis, and the bristles of the broom are representative of a woman's bush. The embracing, or even acceptance of sexuality can be shocking for some people, that were raised to be ashamed of sexuality.
I know Wiccans are not Satanists, and I actually like Wiccans, although I'm an atheist... but I think Wiccans are more tolerant towards atheists when compared to judeo-christian-islamic believers.
Zorax to the rescue! XD thanks for helping with the mean people.
in my opinion its just another cultist group, but as long as you're killing animals that are meant to be food on the table i don't really care (just not humans or endangered species), i'm never gonna take part or even watch it though, that'll just make me sick even as a meat lover
even if its sacrificed dead animals/meat its still completely unnecessary and is a waste of good meat.
We don't sacrifice anything
Okay, witchcraft and Wicca are not the same thing wicca does not believe in the existence of Satan. We believe that everything has a spirit and we worship the triple Goddess and the horned god (which most people confuse as Satan). We believe in harming no living soul. That also does not mean we're all vegan
Wiccan "horned god" is not Baphomet, it's Cernunnos. Only Satanists use symbol of Baphomet.
Wicca and Witchcraft both are not related with Satanism in any way.
Wiccan Pentacle/Pentagram is clearly different from Satanic Baphomet pentagram.
This is Wiccan Pentagram: images2.layoutsparks.com/.../...entagram-image.jpg
This is Satanic Pentagram: 25.media.tumblr.com/...m6kgmohIO31qarppwo1_500.jpg
sry i didn't answer back, got busy in the holidays.. i'll look into Cernunnos in a bit, its ironic though that satanists use the symbol of baphomet even though satan is of christian/catholic belief while baphomet is of the dark side of paganism
wicca and witchcraft are related? i didn't know that o. o
true, wiccan pentagrams are also very similar to tarot pentacles and if im correct symbolize fate of fortune, while the satanic pentagram is the opposite, ironically these symbols are also incorporated to christian/catholic belief..
(somehow the wiccan pentagram reminded me of game of thrones for some reason xD)
i don't think you're an idiot or retarded or anything. i don't know much about Wicca, but i've always thought the idea of it was kind of interesting and neat. good for you! it's your life, believe in whatever you want and whatever makes you happy.
Thank you :) especially for not being mean about it
Same thing I think about any religion.
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Well thank you for not being rude about it. :)
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One of my friends is a wiccan (elementalist to be precise), and i got nothing against them. They've had a hard time, mainly because closed-minded christians have throughout history satan-shamed them. The 5-pointed star/pentagram, the goat-god (let's just call him a satyr)... you name it. Basically christianity have tried to make people see them as evil witches, satan worshipers, and god knows what.
That couldn't be further from the truth.
In all honesty, I've found wiccans to be better people than many christians. So i think it's a good religion to have.
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long as a religion don't hurt another, dont bother me in the slightest
Okay, thanks for your opinion and not being rude about it :)
Interesting, just like every other belief system.
Technically a lot of tenants in organized religions are derived from pagan religions, so go figure.
Yeah, but most people don't realize that. Thanks for your opinion.:)
It's just another group of shit-heads trying to rebel against the many well-established religions that actually have real occult lore and ancient magic in them. I could understand being atheist for not believing in religions, but if you're going to try and be spiritual I'll just let you know there are Christian mages and Jewish mages and Muslim mages that can do way more badass shit than any pansy ass Harry Potter wannabe wiccan.
First of all, Wicca is older than Christianity and other religions coming from the Celts. Second, we're actually one of the few religions that tolerates all others and does not believe that our way is the only one.
1. No, it was invented by this guy who was only born in the late 1800's.
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2. Whining about how intolerant other religions are just makes you look like you are trying to rebel against religion. Typical teenage girl.
1. Uh, no.
2. I'm not whining. I'm merely stating facts. I think logically before I state something. Sorry to burst your bubble
Do you even have any evidence whatsoever to support your claims of Wicca predating Christianity, Islam, or Judaism?
Yes. Wicca is just Celtic religion that's been carried out from generation to generation. I don't know how to put links on here
It's the concoction of a compulsive liar from the 1950's. You won't find any proof otherwise.
You really want to go into a debate on religion with me? I will completely tear apart any other religion you put forth if you want to play this game sugar.
Gah, thought you were a different person sorry
And yeah I have ample proof otherwise
Saying you have proof is meaningless. Show me the proof. Show me the ancient Celtic manuscripts that talk about your Goddess and your religion. Oh wait you can't, because there are none. It would be a lot easier for you to just admit you mistakenly jumped on the wrong bandwagon than it would to try and defend this cult making yourself look stupid in the process.
Ever heard of the triple goddess? The same goddess the Celts worshipped is the same goddess that is the main theology in Wicca. I'm not jumping on the bandwagon. I'm merely trying to find spiritual enlightenment and other religions are too inferior for me.
I am no longer going to argue with you on something you don't understand. Goddess bless.
No, that's not what the Celts would have worshiped, at all. I know all about The Mother, The Maiden, and the Crone. I play Dungeons & Dragons, and some of the deities in that game are based on that. The Triple Goddess was created by a man named Robert Graves in 1948. There is not one single thing you have said that I have had trouble refuting. Do you give up yet?
I shall never give up. But you're a very fool and prodigal. Goddess bless. Your ignorance does not waver me.
You've proven your ignorance about a dozen times in a row by stating things you believed to be true and then being unable to prove they are true or even refute my evidence that your beliefs are false. You are not anywhere near my level when it comes to knowledge of the occult. I have taken shits that know more spells than you.
see my questions above
Wicca is not Paganism. It is a mixed new belief like Satanism that does not have any roots and an actual basis. It only uses Pagan symbolism and a symbolism that the people inside it have no clue about the essence of them.
also if you think Satanists sacrifice living things and believe in the existence of Satan think again.
Wicca has roots in ancient pagan/polytheistic, matriarchal and pantheistic beliefs, so it is usually considered as neopaganism.
I think you should think again, because Satanists do believe in Satan, see here: https://www.joyofsatan.org
@Zorax I think you instead of thinking should go and read LaVey’s book and look up the true Satanist's beliefs who bear this name.
Because of all of these sects and nonsensical beliefs Zeena lavey the daughter of Anton LaVey who was the Arch priestess of the Church of Satan is not even identified as a Satanist but became a Tantric Buddhist with his husband.
I recommend instead of repeating shit you read on the internet written by many who don't even carry out this writings into real world you have to see the real world and real Satanists words. many of these so called 'sects' are teenage groups who read two works of Aleister crowley and mix some beliefs with their own shit and call it a sect of Satanism.
While Satanism was a philosophical doctrine mixed with symbolic ritualistic words.
Anything about the word ‘sacrifice’ the word ritual in the Satanism was and is Symbolic.
Anything about the word ‘Satan’ and worship is symbolic.
And no bullshit sects...
…represents the beliefs of Satanism, or what they intended to represent.
Also about Wicca and Paganism. If you knew the true patriarchal ancient Indo-European Paganism you would know the beliefs of Paganism is far different than two mythological stories and use of symbols. Paganism was a belief carried out, created by the elders, the philosophers of the ancient societies. the spiritual beliefs, the symbolism behind it was far more complex than a ‘British’ teen friendly wicca bullshit “an it harm none, do what ye will”. Whomever invented it didn’t know one single word about the ethics of Paganism.
They don’t even understand crowley’s “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law; Love is the Law, Love under Will”. Which is adopted from many philosophical beliefs itself.
There is freedom today in the world for everyone to claim every Ahistorical nonsense, to mix beliefs and change the essence of what has been called a religion. There is no problem in having your...
… own shit. But there is problem in wanting to taking credit of the beliefs which had no similarity in essence with the nonsense that you pour out.
Calling Wicca paganism as to connect it with Ancient Paganism is nothing but a nonsense falsification.
Have your beliefs, do not falsify what was in the past. And nobody cares.
@wölfin-fräulein
I know about LaVeyans, they are not "true satanist", they are just egocentric charlatans and haters. Their non-spiritual or non-theistic satanism is completely senseless, but they often mislead people by calling themselves "atheist satanists" - pure bullshit... I say that as an atheist, because true atheists would never use symbols of some deity.
As I said - Wiccans are neopagans, they are not patriarchal, most of them are actually matriarchal, some of them are polytheistic, while some are pantheistic. I have several Wiccan friends, and lots of books about Wicca (as well as Voodoo, Shamanism, Spiritism, Druidism, Psychotronics etc) - it's a hobby of mine.
@Zorax "non-spiritual or non-theistic satanism"
there is no non-spiritual Satanism. theistic-Satanism is different and is the nonsense Satanism.
LaVey Satanism is the only actual Satanism and is also spiritual Satanism. as Zeena Lavey confirms Satanists are not against Spirituality and are spiritual but never part Spirituality with philosophy. The ones who do are the ones who want to bring in their superstitions as spiritual beliefs. which we see in nonsenses of Theistic Satanism and different sects.
There is no Atheist Satanists. Atheism to the Abrahamic God is only the first step of Satanism, the Lavey Satanism.
So again know what is Satanism.
and Wiccans can have their beliefs, no body cares. but cannot connect themselves to Ancient Pagans or know themselves as the heirs of them and their beliefs. Because their Bullshit has nothing to do with Ancient Pagan beliefs and societies.
@wölfin-fräulein
LaVeyan bullshit has nothing to do with real Satanism like Luciferians, Demonolaters, Palladists, Setians, Shaytanists etc. Of course, I don't support any of them because satanism is evil, including this so called "atheistic satanism". Atheism also has nothing to do with satanism... LaVeyans are full of crap.
Wiccans have lots of things in common with ancient paganism, more then you know... but I wouldn't expect any understanding from an arrogant LaVeyan.
@Zorax repeating nonsense again.
Luciferianism has nothing to do with the name 'Satanism' to be called 'real Satanism'. Satanism is completely different and separate from Luciferianism.
Luciferianism is an older belief existed and the new so called Luciferians are not slightly close to the what has been before. Many of the individuals believed in the existence of Lucifer. It can be of this aspect closer to nonsense of Theistic Satanism.
the only similarity between LaVeyan and Luciferianism is that Laveyan Satanism in the contrary to all the new beliefs does heavily promote and is based on enlightenment and education, morality and intellectual behaviour. In this matter Laveyan Satanism is completely similar to Luciferianism but the differences is in Theistic beliefs which does not exist in Laveyan Satanism and is replaced with philosophical spirituality.
The other Satanist sects are as I said pure nonsensical beliefs that use the name Satanism in different kinds.
As I said there is no Atheist Satanists as in the meaning of the new Atheism. Atheism exists in Satanism as a dismisser of the Abrahamic God.
Satanism has nothing to do the new wave of Atheism. Though It has its philosophical roots in the older Atheistic beliefs.
And the only similarity of wiccans as I said is in the use of names, symbols, and a set of simplest beliefs. There Is absolutely no similarity between the essence of the Ancient patriarchal Paganism and the bullshit of Wicca. Wicca is a new age made up nonsense. Nothing more.
And the only problem is if they want to take credit of the Ancient Pagan beliefs which is a falsification. They have their own beliefs, nobody cares.
done. and I do not like to repeat.
@Zorax the term "Satanism" has nothing to do with Luciferianiam. the two are two complete different ways with different 'history'. Change your sources. The only similarity as I said is in some ideas as preaching knowledge, enlightenment, freedom etc.
Theistic Satanism is a branch of Satanism, not Luciferianism, that involves Theistic beliefs in it 'alike' Luciferianism, but it is again different than luciferianism and as I said is purely nonsensical and made by many under many names. And these are different than the 19th and 20th century different orders.
"Older Atheists in ancient Greece and India were not Satanists"
and who said older Atheists were Satanists? Older Atheistic beliefs appeared in philosophical ideas of mostly philosophers and the similarity is that laVeyan Satanism 'uses' many of those philosophical ideas inside itself. Nothing else.
So do not repeat or 'make up' nonsense.
"Wiccans definitely have roots in ancient beliefs,"
Wiccans 'use' symbols that existed before or better saying abuse them. They do not have roots in ancient beliefs. It is not even historically possible or true.
Ancient Pagan beliefs are either not clear to understand as there is no texts remaining of them or if there is there are completely different than what is said or the image showed today. The ethics, the society, traditions, beliefs, philosophy.
They abuse an image and put their made up mixed beliefs and code inside it which is a bullshit and falsification.
Wicca is bullshit, if it said to have any actual relation with any ancient Pagan belief. And as a made up belief nobody cares about it.
and If you want to repeat your defensive nonsense I do not care.
@wölfin-fräulein
Not true, Luciferianism is a branch of Theistic Satanism, as you can see here: https://theisticsatanism.com/other.html
These are authentic Satanist sources. LaVey just copied some of the ancient philosophies by incorporating them into his mock religion.
Wicca is much older than paganism, as I said - dating from Stone age, as a belief in the power of Nature, in a form of Great Goddess. Wiccans are not patriarchal, that's one of many differences between them and pagan polytheists. Wicca was reconstructed/restored from the history by Gerald Gardner, so even modern Wiccans are quite older then your LaVeyans, as you can see here: https://wicca.com/celtic/wicca/wicca.htm
Unlike you, I have facts, all you have is your hatred towards Wiccans and Atheists... you use the same methods of indoctrination just like judeo-christian-islamic fundamentalist, that's really sad.
@Zorax what the hell are you saying? actual Luciferianism dates before 11th century. There were historical groups used biblical symbolism to found new beliefs. They were the Luciferians. and I said new Luciferians are not even close to the actual historical Luciferians. change your sources again.
"LaVey just copied some of the ancient philosophies by incorporating them into his mock religion"
Lavey Satanism is not even a religion. It is a philosophical-spiritual doctrine mixed with symbolic ritualistic acts. nothing else.
"Wicca is much older than paganism, as I said - dating from Stone age"
And how the fuck do they know the beliefs of an age which we do not have any written sources about them? We do not even have the texts of the Pagan beliefs of 2000 years ago.
Avesta in dualistic Zoroastrianism from its 21 Nasks there is hardly 4 Nasks remaining.
And how the fuck do they relate themselves to a people with no texts? do you even see how stupid you sound?
Even Neo-Pagans cannot completely relate themselves to Pagans because we do not have any source from many of them. But there are still some sources.
And no one said Wicca bullshit is earlier or older than LaVeyan Satanism. Aleister Crowley and Madam Blavatsky were before many of these. there is no importance in mentioning it even.
I said enough, if you want to have your bullshit of Wicca nobody cares. Do not connect your modern nonsensical beliefs with ancient beliefs. That’s all.
@wölfin-fräulein
Yet again, you defend your delusions with hatred... but no evidence.
Luciferianism is probably the oldest denomination of Satanism, that's why they are much older then your LaVeyan mockery.
About Wicca - How do they know the beliefs of an age which we do not have any written sources about them? Because Wiccan beliefs are strictly related to the Great Goddess of Nature, as I said, statues of the Mother Goddess date back to the Stone age.
Aleister Crowley and Madame Blavatsky were not LaVeyans, they were just perverted cultists.
LaVeyans have no morality, they are just egocentric sect of quasi-philosophers... but if you like them, you can have them as your role models, that's your business ;))
@Zorax "Luciferianism is probably the oldest denomination of Satanism, that's why they are much older then your LaVeyan mockery"
and it seems I told this while you were considering it a sect of 'Satanism'. - making nonsense again.
LaVeyan Satanism, or Satanism, theistic or non-theistic has nothing to do with Luciferianism. they are two different ways with different history. I say it again and for the last time.
"Because Wiccan beliefs are strictly related to the Great Goddess of Nature, as I said, statues of the Mother Goddess date back to the Stone age."
you are either very stupid to not see your reasoning is the most bullshit reasoning or do not know what is reasoning.
I leave it in there.
"Aleister Crowley and Madame Blavatsky were not LaVeyans, they were just perverted cultists."
nobody said Aleister Crowley and Blavatsky were laVeyan Satanists. It was said to show there was mystique mixed beliefs from very longer before the second half of the 20th century.
“LaVeyans have no morality, they are just egocentric sect of quasi-philosophers...”
Laveyan Satanism promotes morality, education and intellectual behaviour. Anything who know little about them will know this also.
In the whole, you had nothing but nonsense to say. mistakes in definitions, lack of knowledge, unable to reason.
I do not care. Be happy with your pointless nonsense defending.
anyone who knows little about them*
@wölfin-fräulein
Considering the fact that Luciferians are older denomination of Satanism - only your LaVeyans could be regarded as a sect.
"Laveyan Satanism promotes morality, education and intellectual behaviour. Anything who know little about them will know this also" - LOL, what kind of "morality" should people expect from "church" of so called "philosophers" who use a symbol of evil deity from judeo-christian-islamic mythology, while pretending to be "atheists"?
Wicca is matriarchal, that's why they use symbols of Great Mother Goddess... regardless of what you think about them.
Gardner was quite older than your Szandor LaVey, and much wiser man.
Aleister Crowley and Madame Blavatsky were occultists, known for mixing ancient Egyptian beliefs, with Christian mysticism, Qabalah, Hermeticism and Alchemy, so their religion is not closely related to either Wicca, or LaVeyans.
Nevertheless, you can stick to your beliefs if you like them so much, but that won't change the reality
@Zorax end the nonsense. I said Luciferianism is a different way, a complete different belief than Satanism and completely unrelated. Lucifer is a God. Satan is a mere Symbol. when you don't know anything don't say repetitive nonsense. I do not care if you lack the ability to understand. just stop commenting your repetitive nonsense under my post.
LaVeyan Satanism has nothing to do with Judeo-Christian theism or mythology. done. it is philosophy. the name Satanism is a symbolic way of declaring unacceptance towards Abrahamic religions. it is unrelated to the Judeo-Christian character of Satan, which itself was developed through eras. laVeyan Satanism is philosophy. Morality in laVeyan Satanism is first common sense and second the Greco-Roman Morality. The world before Christianity and the expansion of Jewish morality. nothing else.
the other nonsenses have no answer.
I said enough.
repeat your nonsense about Wicca. Who cares. You don’t even know what you are saying.
Just don’t comment I don’t have time to read and repeat a response. Have a good time.
@wölfin-fräulein
Ok, let's make this short and sweet for the end of the year :))
I don't have time to repeat myself either, but Lucifer is not a "god", according to mythology, he is one of the "fallen angels", on the other hand - Satan is a "god" of theistic Satanists.
If LaVeyans are really related to Greco-Roman Morality - then why aren't they using their symbols in stead of judeo-christian-islamic deity?
I know a lots of facts about Wicca, but there is no reason for me to continue explaining, cause you have some prejudice towards them.
Anyway, you have right to your opinions, as we all do, no reason to quarrel :D
Ok, thanks, have a good time too - Happy New Year, have fun ;)
@Zorax What the fuck are you saying. Lucifer is a God in Luciferianism, he is the God of light. Albert Pike the thirty third degree freemason in his book tells about the so called ‘Luciferian' doctrine. and he himself recognizes Lucifer, Not the name Satan, as the God, Architect, the light. And he does not equalize Lucifer with Satan, nor the Older Luciferians did it. Luciferians only used the name, which itself is adopted from another culture into Christianity (Lux, Luc = Bright, Shining, bringer of light, morning Star). HaSatan is NOT morning star, he is NOT a fallen angel he is an Angel and agent of God in Judaism. Even the name Lucifer in The Role of Satan and the fallen Angel was adopted into Christianity, only.
And the Greco-Romans 'did' worship the morning star.
The Luciferians connected themselves to the ancient beliefs and considered Lucifer a God. But also mixed this with the 'Christian' belief of Lucifer as a fallen angel who is the ruler of this world.
This is while laVeyan Satanism doesn’t recognize the existence of Satan even. And the Theistic Satanism is a nonsense that is an unaccurate mix adoption of different beliefs and made up beliefs and words that have no roots and authenticity.
Again, stop the nonsense. You have absolutely no knowledge about this subject. Only say bullshits. And I do not want to hear repetitive bullshit.
Go educate first then come. Don't waste my time. Done.
I don't like Wiccan religion that does not make the practitioners bad so to speak. But I distance myself from them, the wiccans around here are bad news I'm saying that from actual experience. As someone who researched it extensively and has had actual experience with it I'm saying don't get involved with it you've been warned.
I don't really care. Others can do with their lives as they please. If you want to join some neo-pagan religion because of "free expression" or whatever, go right ahead.
I for one choose not to worship nature spirits and do something more level headed and logical instead.
Wicca, to me, equals witchcraft which I don't believe in and therefore those practicing it are either grossly misled or realize that it's just a big RPG I guess? Other than that, it's not something I think or know much about.
Wicca and witchcraft are NOT the same thing
Oh really?
According to Gardner's later account, one night in September 1939 they took him to a large house owned by "Old Dorothy" Clutterbuck, a wealthy local woman, where he was made to strip naked and taken through an initiation ceremony. Halfway through the ceremony, he heard the word "Wica", and he recognised it as an Old English word for "witch".
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Do you admit defeat yet? You're really making yourself seem foolish by consistently being wrong about everything you say.
I'm the Christian Patriarchy. Remember to bitch about me during Friday night social club. You're all devil worshippers to us.
Ever again, the burning times.
Blessed bee.
We don't believe in the existence of Satan
Like I've stated with other people. We're one of the few religions that tolerates all others and does not believe that our way is the only one. So thanks for your opinion. Goddess bless
Your "older religion" was started in 1955 by a fourth degree OTO disciple of Aleister Crowley who wanted to start a coven of witches so that he could have himself flogged by wicked women while playing Peter Pan. Even the the so-called "rede" is taken nearly verbatim from Liver Al vel Leg is. The only people who don't know what Wicca is are Wiccans. Everyone else laughs at you.
Oh, comparing us to the Catholic church now? I'm offended sir.
"The only people who don't know what Wicca is are Wiccans. Everyone else laughs at you." This. I've never talked to a so-called Wiccan who actually knew anything about Wicca. Everyone who isn't Wiccan though just Googles it and then laughs at the stupidity of those who would believe such a religion.
@Jewluminazi are you Catholic? Oh... sorry, you've been screwed over by the Catholic church as much as we have. Will you stop being so judgmental. Just remember, you pray to an invisible man that lives in the sky.
No, I'm not Catholic. And I actually haven't been screwed over by the Catholic church. What's with your random hatred of Catholics? You just go to bashing religion because you can't come up with credible evidence to support your claims that your cult pre-dates Christianity? I thought you Wiccans were supposed to be tolerant of other religions. You aren't acting very tolerant towards the Catholics.
No I'm tolerant. I just grow tired of Catholics bashing me so I return the comments. I find friendly comparisons allow for better understanding and enlightenment. Its not my fault everyone takes things so personally.
You don't give a shit about understanding or enlightenment or you'd admit that every single thing you've said about Wicca has been wrong after being irrefutably proven wrong every single time. You're worse than Catholics, at least their religion isn't a fraud.
@Jewluminazi wow. You have a lot of unresolved issues don't you? why do you have this urge to try to prove me wrong?
Because you are wrong, in everything that you have said in this whole debate. Every single thing you have said has been irrefutably disproven. Why do you want to believe something that is false?
No it has not @Jewluminazi but believe what you will. I cannot change your views anymore than you can change mine. Goddess bless.
You are the stupidest person I have seen on GaG. I mean stupider than the people who ask questions about raping babies or the guys who ask about their small penis size. Stupider than the people who post anonymous angry rants in all caps. Stupider than the feminist trolls and their white knight mangina sycophants. Stupider than the MRA's and MGTOW. Stupider than the Liberal biased moderators on here. Stupider than the chicks who ask us to rate their boobs/butt then complain about perverts. Stupider than the illiterate Nigerian scammers who email me claiming my dead relative left me a bunch of money. Stupider than Mesonfielde's obsession with uncircumcised dicks. Stupider than the recent fad of uploading mad hatter pics on here. Stupider than the people who bitch about white privilege. Stupider than the people who post race baiting questions. Stupider than the people who vote Democrat. Stupider than I am for typing the non-existent word Stupider a hundred times in this post.
@Jewluminazi stupider is not a word
At least ignorant people have the capacity to learn better when they are proven wrong. You're the definition of stupid though. Even after your beliefs have been undeniably shown to be wrong, you stubbornly cling to them. Goddamn. It makes me sad people as stupid as you even exist. You should get a check every month and not be allowed to leave the house without adult supervision.
I know I pointed that out in my own post but you apparently have this aversion to reading that causes you to believe the stupidest bullshit ever.
I just couldn't read it because I was laughing too hard. Its funny how insolent you are @Jewluminazi and it makes me laugh.
You also called yourself stupid you know @Jewluminazi
No shit. Really? Are you going to admit your religion is bullshit yet? Or are you going to continue to live in this fantasy land just to fit in with your loser friends?
@Jewluminazi awww, little man complex. How cute.
As a Christian, I never wanted to hurt people and generally wanted to share the light of love and grace.
But I would love to burn a wiccan at the stake. If there were ever a need for a good old fashioned witch burning (the good old days), it's not.
Then I would have a merry Christmas and a jolly new year. I'll toast a cup of kindness yet for auld lang syne.
Blessed be. Merry Christmas.
I agree, people like the Asker are the whole reason the Salem witch trials happened, because a bunch of stupid little girls wanted to dance around naked and make shit up. They deserve to be drowned to death in the tradition of the Druids.
Salem happened because the church feared their power would weaken so they made all other religions evil. @Jewluminazi and guys join as well. Don't judge something you don't understand
No, Salem literally happened because several teenage girls got caught dancing around at night naked, and made up a story that this woman they didn't like was a witch who made evil spirits possess them which is why they did it. So that woman was hanged, and then the girls continued putting on a show pretending to be tormented by witches and accusing lots of old Christian ladies they didn't like of being witches.
I think to each their own. If it fulfills your life and doesn't involve or encourage harm to yourself or others, I'm totally cool with it.
Yes, we promote self awareness and fulfillment even if its with another place
I'm agnostic so I don't necessarily relate to any religion, but if it makes you happy, good for you. I am all about encouraging people to investigate all religions and decide for themselves what they believe.
Understandable. Its not exactly an organized religion either. Sorry, I'm babbling. But thanks for your opinion and being nice. :)
Lol no problem. Good luck!
Thanks :) good luck in your life.
Be whoever you wanna be, and mean it.
We all want to be a part of new things/religions and life is all about new experiences.
Get the most out of your life :D
Thank you. Girls are a lot nicer than guys here. :)
Maybe because they're straight up. :-)
ohh and very opinionated
Well they are guys...
that's really sexist hun
Yeah. It was a joke. Humor ar-ar (mork and Mindy reference)
I don't understand why a few of the guys are so judgmental about your beliefs.
It's OK to politely and respectfully disagree!
I'm not sure how it will bring you a happy and fulfilling life but to each his own. It seems like a hobby more than a belief system to me. Maybe I don't know enough about it.
Its as much of a belief system as Catholicism. But thank you for not judging what you don't know everything about. :)
@HoodedCrow I had never heard the word before reading your post. Different strokes for different folks.
Yeah. Thanks for not judging. :)
a @HoodedCrow I misspoke, I had heard of but didn't connect the dots. The lady from Real Housewives practices Wiccan. Are her beliefs representative of the Wiccan community?
Never seen the real housewives so I don't know what she practiced
Not even proper Satanists believe in the existence of Satan, so there's that. So you as you don't try to legislate or base an education system on it, I don't care what anyone's religion is.
Okay. Thanks for not bashing me about it. :)
Haha, thanks. :) goddess bless. (I'm kinda saying this to annoy people who keep calling me a Satanist so don't get upset)
Well thanks. :)
Not true, "proper" Satanist do believe in Satan, as you can see here: https://www.joyofsatan.org However, Satanism is evil, while Wicca is good.
@Zorax Well, Theistic Satanists do, but it isn't standardized, basically no one practices it and requires faith in the Judeo-Christian mythos (which basically means it's a byproduct of that dogma) whereas Atheistic Satanism (by far the most widespread) only uses Satan as a symbol for freedom and rebellion. But you did get me there, my statement was far too broad, I apologize.
@Nochielo It's ok, I'm aware of non-spiritual Satanists, like LaVeyans, but I wouldn't call them Atheists, because no Atheist would ever use religious symbols, I know that because I'm an atheist. Some of my friends are Wiccans, so I know that they are not on good terms with Satanists, because lots of people tend to mistake Wicca for Satanism.
It's a religion, and I oppose religion. That's my main thought on the subject.
Well thanks for being honest and not just totally bashing me.
Scary!!!
Burn the witch!!
Lol no I'm joking
But I thought witches weren't real?
Wicca and witchcraft are NOT the same thing
Yeah I know. That's why I tried to clarify that above.
Can't come up with a better response than lol? Just because two people regurgitate a lie doesn't make it the truth.
I'm saying lol @Jewluminazi it made me laugh to think of your reaction. Thank you gor providing my amusement for the day
My friend from high school is actually becoming Wiccan also. She was Catholic at first though. I personally find it fascinating. :)
I think it's cool that some Wiccans go "sky-clad" (i. e. nude).
Learn something new everyday...
XD only during certain ceremonies
@Asker But I can really see why being nude during those ceremonies would help you feel in touch with the natural forces of the world and everything.
Yeah it really does
@Asker It's just that this is a cold time of year to be going nude outdoors.
Yule is almost over. We also wear robes over our nudeness
Not much. Read a book about them. Apparently they're witches?
I don't know about both of these, so cannot comment. sorry :).
not really into it... wiccans or pagans... or most religions for that matter.
You should research any religion thoroughly before you convert.
I do. I'm actually researching others as well
Well I've already looked through the monotheistic religions and am currently looking into more pagan religions
Actually you've proven you don't know shit about Wicca. Wicca is monotheistic, and practices witchcraft which you claimed they didn't do earlier in another comment. Wicca actually means witchcraft according to the person who founded the religion.
Wicca is polytheism and IS NOT THE SAME AS WITCHCRAFT!!! @Jewluminazi you are confusing different religions.
Oh really?
According to Gardner's later account, one night in September 1939 they took him to a large house owned by "Old Dorothy" Clutterbuck, a wealthy local woman, where he was made to strip naked and taken through an initiation ceremony. Halfway through the ceremony, he heard the word "Wica", and he recognised it as an Old English word for "witch".
en. wikipedia. org/wiki/Gerald_Gardner_(Wiccan)
Do you admit defeat yet? You're really making yourself seem foolish by consistently being wrong about everything you say.
I think it's retarded, but I don't have any problem with it.
Why is it retarded?
We believe in the spirituality of all things in nature and the spirit within. Magick is the spirit. So take that how you will
Again, Wicca and witchcraft are NOT the same thing
Spells are more of a belief of the mind than an actuality. At least in my opinion. Its almost a placebo effect if you will
Not a problem for me. Most of my friends are pagan or wiccan.
I don't think you're a Satanist or that you make animal sacrifice. I just think you're an idiot.
Why do you think that?
I don't understand how that works. But whatever you feel, its your opinion. Goddess bless
You too
I think they should have a happy winter solstice
Yule shall be over by the 22 so indeed.
I think they're wicked awesome :)
Yay!! I like you
I like you too :D
Unlike that guy up there who is opposed to religion, I see all religions merely as different perspectives on the same thing - doesn't matter which one you choose, so long as it meets your personal needs (and you don't try to force your point of view on anyone else).
I love the emphasis that Wicca places on nature and our part in it.
You talking about Jewluminazi? I'm just trying to piss him off at this point. Read what he rights, you won't be able to stop laughing. XD and yeah I don't try to force my views on others. I just try to tell them the truth to get through their biased minds. If they don't like it that's their loss
Na, I was talking about the one up at the top.
Did see his comments, and it's true, there are mystics in ever religion. But to assert that they are "more badass" than a Wiccan (or rather "Pansy ass Harry Potter wannabe) is completely contradictory to the most basic principle of mysticism, which is that every religion has the same underlying truth. So I was suggest that he has a fundamental misunderstanding concept.
OMFG, either GAG hates three letter words or apparently I can't type...
TAKE 2:
Na, I was talking about the one up at the top.
I did see his comments, and it's true, there are mystics in ever religion. But to assert that they are "more badass" than a Wiccan (or rather "Pansy ass Harry Potter wannabe") is completely contradictory to the most basic principle of mysticism, which is that every religion has the same underlying truth. So I would suggest that he has a fundamental misunderstanding of the concept.
Yeah. But it just makes me laugh. He has little man complex.
I don't really think of them. Are they noteworthy?
That Guinea Pig tho...
Depends on what you consider note worthy.
Its not very difficult. You don't even have to celebrate with other Wiccans. Basically, you just have yo transgress your mind into the beliefs
Honestly, I'm going for a mix of both
Don't give a shit about em'.
Well I'm antitheist so... yeah.
Understandable. Thanks for not bashing me like others here.
I won't bash you as long as you don't try to push that belief on others.
I don't. Those people piss me off so yeah.
Don't think anything of them.
Nothing, I barely know anything about them.
Well thank you for not judging what you don't know. :)
@wölfin-fräulein - Misleading again.
Luciferianism is one of several denominations of Theistic (or spiritual) Satanism - the only real Satanism.
LaVeyanism is so called non-theistic ("atheistic") Satanism, basically it's just a mockery of belief.
Real Atheism has nothing to do with LaVeyans or any other Satanic denominations, because true Atheists never use religious symbols, we don't need priests, bibles, churches etc.
Older Atheists in ancient Greece and India were not Satanists, so you are just repeating nonsence & fairytales created by Szandor LaVey.
Wicca has moral beliefs and ethic codex - unlike paganism, but Wiccans definitely have roots in ancient beliefs, much older than any written religion, for example - statues of Ancient Mother Goddess of Nature date back to the Stone Age.
I also don't like repeating, but LaVeyans just want to take credit of the real Satanists, by mocking both religion and atheism... your insults against Wicca proves this fact.
I love your lamb.
Thanks but its a goat :)
Oh, goat. Sorry looks like a lamb. I don't have my glasses on yet. Haha :)
I tot it only exists in tv shows
Blessed Be :)
Haha goddess bless
do you worship sex?
*face palm* no. But certain ceremonies end with the priest and priestess having sex depending on who is in that ceremony
No. We do not worship sex in itself. We worship the god and goddess and fertility during certain ceremonies.
Okay. Sex is still involved but we don't just worship sex. Sorry.
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