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Lol this guy claim Egypt belong to Europe lol
This video of full of lies and missleading facts
1- it's comparing crusades wars vs Arabs battles (PS.1 war consist of many battles)
2- there was 7 crusade wars and 2 of them were in Egypt , and all I see is less than 7 battles not even wars
At that time something happens in the Islamic country that have never happened else where
A woman was ruling the country while the country was fighting both crusades and mangolians
Let me tell you something
Here in Egypt we got invaded by more than 10 nations
The only culture we adopted were Arabic culture , or in other words the most sophisticated one , no other invaders managed to show us better culture
And it obvious that most of Arabs believe in equality and diversity while most of the "CIVILIZED" nations believe in superiority
Some deny that, but trump results and the situation in many country in Europe expose it
Now , forget about all this , try to learn the Chinese culture , cause that will be the future
How dismissive this map is
Rome came to Muslims and had a battle inside Saudi , and it's counted in Muslims
Jokes , why didn't it shows the rest of Roman wars in Egypt
And (-Macedonian, patlman, French , German, English) wars here
What about forcing Arabs in WWI, ii
Oh Muslims did couple of bombs them they are terrorists
While Europe is bloody but peaceful
The map showed all battles in Muslims lifetimes
And only shows couple of battles by crusades
I think this is fair comparison, cause the wars of Europe are not comparable , they are too many too brutal and continuous
Well the crusades were a response to the early muslim conquests and the continuing wars designed to expand Islam into Europe. At the time of the first crusade Muslim kingdoms were attacking Christian land and the crusades were a tiny pin prick at the heart of the Muslim world, eventually Christian countries defeated them and turned the tables in the middle ages not only defeating Islamic nations in large set piece battles but breaking them economically by finding new trade routes to india and china bypassing their control of the silk road and discovering new territories and riches in the new world, the real low point for Islamic countries came when the British and French came to control their countries and even the great ottoman empire was forced to bend the knee. Right or wrong it's always been the way of humanity to fight each other out of greed and bloodlust and today is no different, its all old history by clinging to it we are bound to repeat it.
But personally we dont share our women with other men but to each their own.
But if he tried to beat my ass he'd be called terrorist
You try to claim the lie that Jews has right of the land, but I bet you can name the tribe lived there
This is simple deception, but I'll divide it down for you
Let's say you are Christian and have a Jew and a Muslim brothers
The grand children who are Christian , Jew and Muslims have a right in your dad's home
But that doesn't mean that any outsider Christian , Muslim or Jew has the right to own a part of that home just cause there's another one in the same religion owns a part
There was a tribe called kan'an"ููุนุงู" who became Jew those are some of grand father's of Arab as Hebrew evolved to aramiac then to Arabic
So some of kan'an became christians then some became Muslims
Still that doesn't mean any outsider Muslim Christian or Jew has the right of the land just because another one in the same religion has a part
Thnx
@Dimmu what outsiders? Jews have been living in Palestine for about 5000 years, in 1948 they were granted the right to govern themselves in the lands they owned as were the neighbouring Muslims who were angered by the prospect of a former subject people of many different occupying Muslim empires gaining freedom so they tried to do exactly what the Muslim Turks did when the ottoman empire crumbled (Palestine was apart of the ottoman empire before the British gained it) and go on a genocidal rampage against any non-muslims not under their control this time it was the Jews but the Jews were to strong and threw back their attacks and took the new Israel from the aggressive Palestinians and the Palestinians as well as Syrians, Egyptians, Jordanians etc have never got over this original humiliating defeat. Israel belongs to the Jews for as long as they are willing to defend it. As they say never start a war you can't win and to the victors go the spoils of war.
Also there were twelve Hebrew tribes that settled in the lands that became the kingdoms of Israel and Judah when they left Egypt.
Jew is a religion not a blood
The people lived in plastine were hebrew then aramiac then arabic
Some of them are Jew, Christians and Muslims
These who owns the land
Not any Jew just own , it's a joke
What you are saying is , if there's one native Muslim in your country , then all Muslims have the right and own your country , can you imagine how dump it sounds
by the way what I'm saying is what in the books not in the media
That's why I can name which tribe of isreal lived there and which is not
I'm not arguing with you over facts , you believe what you wanna believe and enjoy your double standard , and feel free to justify so you can believe that people are civilized
Anyways the Western model already falling , And the Asian model already ahead without force unlike westerns
It's time to realize that colonization and invasion are bad
@Dimmi Judaism is both a religion and an ethnicity and right or wrong the two separate groups of Jews and palestinian Muslims was divided up between the two based on the regions they lived in much like the partion of India and Pakistan. Do you think Pakistan should have been ruled by the Indians. Anyway there has never been a Palestine nationality except in the last 70 years, the Jews had as much right to it as to it a the Muslims living there but if they had left the Jews I peace they would have kept their land unfortunately neighbouring countries dominated by zealots thought others. I agree religion doesn't determine nationality nor should it be used to determine the ownership of a country as is the case of Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan, Libya, Algeria, Syria, Crete all colonised by brutal invaders even to this day. The West may rise or fall far more likely is that other countries such as those in the middle east & 3rd world will rise to the same level or the world be burn. Who knows.
Isreal tribes , were Jews them Christian then Muslims
So there are jew , Christian and Muslim plastinian , that's what isreal tribes became
Zionist isreal country are just outsiders put the name isreal , and that for some mysterious reason gave them the right to own the land
I'll name myself after the oldest tribe in your country , then I'm allowed to kill you
, seriously my brain is damaged cause of this argument over principles
And you seem don't understand the relationship between Israel and the West
please go do your homework before talking about others
@Dimmu I suppose all people living in Egypt became Muslim when the Muslim Arabs invaded or do the original Egyptians the Coptic Christians still live there even after hundreds of years of oppression or do the original peoples of Turkey the Greeks, and Armenian Christians still live in Turkey despite hundreds of years of muslim oppression and massive ethnic cleansing just under 100 years ago such as the ethnic cleansing that was planned for the native Jews of Palestine. I understand well the relationship between my country and Israel its was originally supported to bring it away from Russian influence and as a counter balance to Muslim countries in the area but that doesn't change the absolute historical fact that the jews have always lived there and if the muslims had not attacked the Jews to murder them all women and children included they would still only be living in the territory given to them, the palestinians would still have the land they were given but forfeited in defeat and.
... Jerusalem would still be under muslim control. The Jews have been exiled many times before but they always come back.
As a person who studied European history, I just know that this portrayal of information is incorrect/incomplete.
Before the crusades against Islam there were plenty of crusades towards northern Europe and the balkans to "christianise" those regions.
Moreover the muslim conquest of Spain under Tariq can hardly count as a "crusade" as it wasn't even a religious war to begin with, it was literally just about conquering the territory and ending the reign of the Visigoths at the time.
See, the problem with looking at crusades and crusades alone instead of history as a whole is that you won't even notice if there's false information or a lack thereof.
I think questions like this are the reason why I leave this site again and again
you are talking about things that happened in the past that makes people angry or spreed hate
I love everyone. i dis like to talk about any bad past
i wish goodness for all
and its not about who have done bad more its about who now will spreed love and peace more
peace to All of you.
past is past there are a lot of bad things done by the members of other religions but we cnt blame the whole religion for that
Shouldn't we base a religion on their founder? Muhammad personally beheaded people, had sex slaves and conquered land. is that a good rolemodel?
he didn't have sex slaves man!
Westerners too had sex slaves
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The enlargement of the Byzantine Empire during the reign of Justinian I from 527 (in red) to 565 (in orange). They wanted to get back some of their countries and stop the Byzantines from getting even more. Western European Christians had also invaded lots of their grounds:
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Those Vandals and Goths were Christians too. Not Roman Catholic, Arianists.
I find it amazing how little most westerners seem to know about the early Christian crusades and always bring up how bad the Muslim response crusades where. That's why W Europe is Christian.
The contents of the Bible were determined by Roman Catholic councils held in Nicea (Turkey) and Carthage (Tunisia) Both regions conquered by Christians on non Christians.
By the way , during a long time and even some 20th century authors considered Islam to be a heresy of Christianity, not a 'new' religion , like teachers told you at school. www.google.com/search
Read Hilaire Belloc, a Christian writer: https://www.ewtn.com/library/HOMELIBR/HERESY4.text
What Christians call " Muslim invasions" were only Persians taking back what Byzantines had invaded.
i think the simple fact is religion has probably been the single biggest reason for violence and death in the history of the world. not taking sides, not saying one is right or wrong because most religions have a tremendous amount of blood on its hands
@Dimmu was hitler rounding up and killing certain people? of a certain religion? Karl Marx was a political philosopher. he didn't kill anyone...
the most bloody century and history. and we fought wars in the middle east (the muslim world), saw 6 million jews executed... it seems my point stands to reason. politics will often be a thin veil for war but at it's core are usually religious leanings. look at the mass amounts of deaths occurring in Africa as we speak. they are over what? the rise of extremist Islam regimes trying to push out Christian (aka western) influences
"and we fought wars in the middle east (the muslim world),"
I would have never find better admitting :)
Excluding one of the list I have doesn't make it any better, despite that marks idoleagy was used to make many massacres
" the rise of extremist Islam regimes trying to push out Christian (aka western) influences"
Do you mean the ethnic cleansing of Muslims in central Africa or Burma.
I love the fact that the world can watch an entire Muslim country get destroyed and say nothing , then after couple of Muslim bombs we hear about "human rights"
Anyways you have admitted it yourself that you came here in wars and that was always the case in history
About 10 times , started even before Christianity
by the way evolution is just a theory
@Dimmu maybe there is a language barrier here but i don't understand what you are talking about with evolution. i don't know what you are talking about, at least as it pertains to our conversation in regards to the world watching a Muslim country get destroyed... what does that have to do with anything?
but the simplest point? an estimated 85 million people died in WWII. A war that aside from German aggression was a focal point because of the imprisonment of Jewish people. all the other casualties of all the other wars in the 20th century don't compare to that number. and there were still other wars that were fought and waged in the 20th century that had a core of religious ideology
@Dimmu Hitler waa rounding up people based on ethnicity and race also killing 20 million Russians justified not by religion but by the science of day Darwinism and eugenics that Nazis used to claim all slavic, semetic and non Europeans were sub human. Truth if there was no religion there still be war and huge numbers of dead, humans need very little reasons to hate and kill each other.
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I just with 1/10 of care and sympathy givven to Jews in WWII were given to plastinians killed by Zionists
While the world sucking up its human rights which keep telling us about wn a single bomb explode
@Dimmu well the Jews were given a small bit of land in then Palestine but the palestinians goaded on and helped by neighbouring muslim countries attacked them but the Jews fought them all off and with aid coming from Russia and from ex ww2 well trained military personnel and ex German weapons fought them off and took from the aggressors their territory despite Britain's interference and the rest is history. The palestinians are now used as a tool by anti Israeli countries that will supply arms to the palestinians but very little else and won't let them leave.
@Righttobeararms83
Plastinians pay for German crimes?
Jews were given a small bit of land in
How much I'll be right if I was given your mom
I'm really not trying to insult I'm just trying to help you to understand
And how ironic if I offered your dad to share her with me and I call that offer generous and call your dad terrorist and don't want peace
I think it's clear now , I have to argue to show that invasion is wrong and killing Muslims is wrong
Let's always claim that killing innocents is wrong untill they are Muslims then we can speak politics and finds decent way to show that it's OK to kill some innocent so we don't feel shit about ourselves and to still believe we are civilized
Pathetic is the most word can define humanity
@Dimmu... @Righttobeararms83 you guys mind taking this elsewhere? PM or on one of your responses so i don't get the constant notifications?
@Dimmu sorry dude its more like if we were next door neighbours and you and gour other neighbours came into my home to kill me and take all that I own including my home and my wife but instead I kill you all and take your homes. Killing is wrong and the Jews living in Palestine had just as much right to the land they had lived on but hate and greed drove the palestians and they forfeited their land in the war they started.
There have been far more Western attacks on Muslim lands than simply the early medieval crusades. I vaguely recall a massive illegal invasion of Iraq not so long ago. And really, Christians are no better or worse than Muslims. Some are good, some are bad, most indifferent. That describes all peoples.
I think way too many people have died over a contentious piece of real estate.
If you go far back enough then the only reason Europe was majority Christian to begin with is because middle eastern Christians spread into it. They didn't do it by singing kumbaya my lord either. The problem is that people of different religions point fingers at others without realizing that their people have done the same shit at different times.
Lol no, u are mistaking "Jihad" with battles Muslims made. Jihad means calling all Muslim people into battle and conquer their lost lands back from Christians. Crusade was also against Muslim as Jihad was against Christians, in this video he showed us the places Muslims conquered, and he tried to mean its "Jihad" but He didn't even talk about How Christians colonised whole Africa, East Asia, America Continent, India and some Muslim countries.
I don't really care about whether they're crusades or not, since in the end, it's all about conquering new land, and both Christians and Muslims (and others) did the same thing. Ones more successful than others, though.
The crusaders weren't bad at all, who believes in Christ support the crusades, Moses fought for Jerusalem, David fought for Jerusalem, solomon fought for Jerusalem so did the crusades
Also Saracens wanted to invade Europe, they are terrorists and wanted to hurt innocent pilgrims to the holy land of our king Jesus Christ!
DEUS VULT, non nobis domine
Not gonna defend those crusades, but you have to keep in mind that the majority of those crusades fall under the Ottoman Empire. Aka it wasn't just multiple different crusades, but one empire doing the majority of said crusades.
Ottoman Empire fought against only Crusaders actually bruh.
Muslims call it Jihad, first off. Muslims always did and still do what they're best at. Killing, raping, conquering all in the name of a pedophile prophet.
I think religion is dumb. Pray to God/Allah and keep it to yourself.
I'm English, so I was never taught anything about the rest of Europe, except when we were at war with countries like France, Spain and Germany.
Richard the Lionheart?
Its pretty much why I turned away from religion. Its all just nonsense.
exactly
All i can see is religion being used as an excuse to justify agressive expantion.
Both sides were terrible. You're trying to revitalize a conflict that began a millennium ago.
Don't Muslims call it Jihadh?
Repeating this type of history is not good.
religion is nonsense we need to advance in science
people need to realize Islam is bad
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