+1 yFetishes & kinks are just specific ways of identifying degrees within a spectrum of values.
In this instance, the women just have the very strict criteria of dating someone of a certain race/color. Nothing about that is illegal or immoral in and of itself... So where's the problem?
And even if that wasn't the case. Let's say all women lost the ability to have a racial fetish. It would only be the loss of a standard... And trust me, there are plenty more where that came from.
Common things that women are very selective with are height, wealth, status, attractiveness, health, etc. And the list goes on and on & is very specific & intricate from person to person. And much like the racial fetish, all of those are tied into sexuality. So when someone meets the criteria, it can enhance sexual attraction & interaction. Whether we know it & like it or not.
And all of these benefit our species in terms of creating and supporting new offspring. It wouldn't have worked itself out like this otherwise. There will always be ways people will discriminate when it comes to mate selection. It's a necessary thing! Otherwise, our species wouldn't thrive. We would die out.
Extreme standards aren't necessary. But in this case, since she's not into black bulldogs or black flamingos, so it's not going against human nature. And I think that we can say a woman with this racial fetish isn't hurting anyone with it. Not innately at least. That would require other motives paired with it.30 Reply
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Convoluted but here goes… some chicks like bigger than average dicks… I personally don’t like dicks for the record but apparently some black guys are hung…
Second reason… perhaps where these women grew up… there weren’t a lot a blacks around… they see a hot black guy every now and then… they’re curious….
Maybe it’s rebellious behavior… they were raised in a household where the parents forbid it…
Lastly… maybe they just like black dudes… they always did.
There’s obviously a ton of other reasons but ultimately who cares… just go with it.32 Reply- +1 y
>he fell for the BBC meme
Asker+1 yNah man. If im somehow expected to hold these expectations of having a big dick and being good in bed because im black, that's a major problem
+1 yI tend to be more attracted to black men, but I wouldn’t say that I would only date or have sex with a guy who’s black. I can understand why someone saying that would make you feel that way. Personally, one of the things I find most attractive in a man in confidence, which I think a lot of black men tend to exude in a more prominent way. There are definitely physical features that I find more attractive in black men, but that’s just my preference. Another thing that I’ve noticed is that often black men seem to have more of an appreciation for women’s natural bodies and don’t judge someone for not being stick thin like many white guys often do. Again, this is all just based on my experience.
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Asker+1 yI just dont like the idea of having to uphold these expectations that are put on me. Like having a big dick & being good? in bed just because I'm black
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That’s definitely a stereotype and I can see why that would be annoying to feel like you have added pressure/expectations just because of your race. Those aren’t reasons that I’m attracted to black men though.
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I usually only get asked out by Hispanic, Indian, and black men because white guys never appreciate my hourglass figure and bust. I’m not sure why.
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@Wintergrace same
Anonymous(18-24)+1 yEvery few days, someone reposts this troll question.
Where are all of these white women?
We get what you are implying... Black guys are sooo huge! 🙄
A quick google search will disprove that myth. There isn't any noticeable difference between sizes compared to white guys.
So, what else would make us want to "go black and never come back"?
Maybe it is the attitude that all women are ho's.
Maybe it is the casual attitude towards getting a ho' pregnant. No big deal, just drop the ho' and move on to the next one. Child support? Hell naw! Bitch can't get sh*t from me cause I don't work, I "hustle" !93 Reply
Asker+1 yStats vs Eyes are two different things
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"Maybe it is the attitude that all women are ho's." -- yeah, not all black guys think/act like that or any of the other examples you gave. So you start off saying a google search tells you the truth then you move to a stereotype. Not that google search is known for truth it just shows whatever the people running it want to show. I think the truth is that when a woman says why she's into a certain type of guy it's BS no matter what she says. She has some feeling but no real clue why.
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+1 yi don't think so... until you lived it i guess... i had 3 black men...1 was just a friend and i gave him blowjobs on Friday nights... my 2nd was a off the internet he said he was dominant and was he... but he pretty much used me as a cum bucket and spit-toon... and the 3rd was an older black guy who only wanted blowjobs from me but it wasn't bad but definitely not worth it... he was an interesting guy but i was just his blow hole no dating and he had other women... so it doesn't sound too great does it?
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@Grubhub really do they? i didn't know that truthfully... the last black guy he made it clear that i was only to give him blowjobs and that's it... the middle one was clearly insane i sucked him soon as he walked through the door and everywhere else... the 1st we got on the discussion of blowjobs and he said he loved them and said nobody would have to know if you gave me one... so i did what a 19 year old girl would do... it's a fetish at best not about love or dating at all.
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@chrissykerdock Bitch cause you dirty 🥴🥴🥴
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Mine too @chrissykerdock
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Yo this is a fake account by a black guy lmfao
871 opinions shared on Other topic. Eh... have you ever known a guy who didn't get drawn to women based on something shallow? At least for the initial draw. He might be into her for deeper reasons too... later on. Or he could decide that she's not worth taking seriously. Likewise a woman could be into you because of your look/body but think it's not worth taking you seriously for other reasons. Or maybe they just are the type who can ONLY handle very shallow relationships.
Personally, I wouldn't be into a woman who declared she only dates & has sex with 1 type of guy because I'd think she's a liar. And I don't think high body counts is a virtue but that's another story.10 Reply
+1 yI'll answer your question, since the two dumbasses that answered before me can't. Growing up as a black guy myself in a predominantly white area I noticed a lot of the white girls I date had 2 things in common. They had issues with their dad, and their dad was racist.
This leads me to believe that a lot of white girls date black guys because it's still regarded as a taboo. They feel like they're doing something naughty by dating a black guy and a lot of times it's done as a subconscious fuck you to their parents. Which honestly is disgusting because it's absolutely dehumanizing to simply be used as a means for them to get back at their parents or rebel against society.41 Reply- +1 y
That's sad and pathetic also coming from another black male.
+1 yIf I were black, I’d be very wary of a white girl whom refuses to date and sleep with anyone unless he’s black. I bet sexual fetishizing of black men has racist roots: there are some pretty racist stereotypes from way back, that black men are amoral, physically and sexually aggressive and brutish, and have very little self control. Some people, even now, consider dating a black guy taboo, and it’s possible that women are turned on by the taboo and are turned on by stereotypes.
if a woman likes black guys, but is open to dating different ethnicities, cool! If a nonblack woman is matter-of-fact about ONLY dating black men and refusing to date anyone else, I’d assume she’s crazy and simple-minded. (But I assume that anyone who fetishizes a certain ethnicity and refuses to date anyone else, is crazy and simple-minded).40 ReplyBlack male with white female relationships are a little less than 0.5% of all relationships. Black male with Black male are something like 0.36% of relationships. So there are about the same amount of white women with black men as their are black fags pounding each other in the ass.
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This should put the rarity of these relationships into perspective quite clearly for bmww race fetishists.
All guys from other races find white women the hottest and also the most sophisticated... This made being with a guy from other races kind of adventurous and exciting for the white woman... Like a classy sophisticated lady doing it with the Gardner... And with most women liking being sexually dominated.. This adds to it... white women roll with guys from every race.. Literally every race.. even Indians who people make fun of.. But given the long history and feud between white people and black people... this couple is the most notorious.. It's the most taboo... Therefore the most exciting... If i were you i would probably feel the same... Someone into me because mainly fetishizing my race? So boring and lame.. and just unfulfilling... I like girls from other races and cultures but that should be a part of it. Not the heart and soul of it...
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+1 yLet me be clear. Predominantly, not all but the majority, white sluts like black men. Known fact and why many black women laugh at them cause they mostly have no value beyond an easy fuck. Look at how some of the prostitutes on GAG responded as proof.
Where I am typically I see black guys with welfare tramps, overrated prostitutes, or even crackheads, methheads and druggies thinking black man = cheap or free street drugs as another streotype. Essentially trash white women.637 Reply- +1 y
You’re so hateful
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@kingykringy nah she stated facts
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@kingykringy When a Black Queen speaks, the cringy incel virgin loser shuts the fuck up.
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@YourPsychoBF You sound just like that
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@kingykringy You know what to do. Just shut the fuck up and go watch your anime.
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@Hanmakev actually I've no issues getting black men. I get rather tired of the faggoty white boys trying
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@kingykringy statement of fact toddler. Don't like it, go cry to mommy
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Racists are such depressing people
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@kingykringy I'm black you fool so how can I be racist? Hmmm... What I stated was facts in the area where I live as stated. Is your brain so small you comprehend nothing
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Hahaha racism is hating on another race and you’re doing exactly that.
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I hope you find love and peace and everything becomes better in your life
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@kingykringy goodbye troll. Your low mho rating implies that you're as unintelligent as your responses show.
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@BlackBeauty90 As a white guy I have become more attracted to black girls over the last couple of years.
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@Hanmakev What are you blubbering about mutt? Majority of the world-renown supermodels, as in the striking women not sluts, models nowadays are black or latinas. White is old & boring.
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@Hanmakev Speak English. My five year old niece writes better than your dribbling rubbish.
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@Hanmakev No, it was a run-on sentence you inbred hick. And the grammar in this gibberish is pathetic...
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@BlackBeauty90 this isn’t a fucking exam who tf cares about sentence structure and punctuation you understood what I said because your upset by it so what your saying doesn’t make sense
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@Hanmakev I'm not upset by it? Why would I be? Your options after all mean shit. I'm just pointing that out by pointing out you've the intelligence of a 5 year old or less.
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@BlackBeauty90 well that would mean your dumber than a 5 year old sweetie 😘
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@Hanmakev No darling. As I said my niece, who is five, writes better than you. I can't help it you can't comprehend English any better than you can write your gibberish.
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+1 yYou are probably the same troll that has been posting about interracial relationships for the last two weeks.
https://youtu.be/x4e6sY8uL4M
Some women could be attracted to African American culture.
Gary Owen is a comedian who
has played to African American audiences for decades.
And he isn’t just attracted to “Black” women. He likes African American culture so he was always going to be in close proximity.25 Reply
Asker+1 yBruh I've only been on this site for 2 days. Way to make stupid ass assumptions though
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Bruh you are anonymous. You could have been at this site for 20 years. Why on earth should I take you at your word?
Asker+1 yI don't really give a fuck man. Have a nice day ✌
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So I guess that makes two of us not giving a fuck. Because I don't give a fuck about your explanation. You sound like dude, so you must be dude.
Asker+1 yCap lol
+1 yStop believing what women say. They only say that to validate you. If theyre interest is high and she's respectful then thats all you need to know. Thats their way of making it easy for you, you're reading into what they're saying too much. Speech is only 5% of communication, analyze actions.
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+1 yHybrid vigor (Heterosis). It's a genetic/evolutionary psych thing for better babies.
What's interesting is that with long-term pair bonding, women tend to stick to men who look like them. Men tend to have no such preference as long as a woman is attractive to them.21 ReplyGuys in general don't sexually attract me visually, but even i have to pause if he has a great voice. The only guy I ever had strong feelings for had an amazing voice, but he just happened to also be black.
There is one now with an amazing voice that I talk to who isn't black, but our relationship is a bit more pure and I prefer it that way.12 Reply- +1 y
What exactly constitutes an amazing voice by your standards?
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For guys, it is generally deeper, authoritive, but not cruel. It has to be paired with a good personality including having good humor. I don't need someone to just be a dick and try to boss me around.
For girls, it can either be a feminine version of the above, but I can also go with a bit more sultry voice or a higher pitch that is paired with more energy and kinda needy whine to it. I am sexually attracted to other girls so they get way more leeway with it lmao
Here's the thing
The whole premise of fetishization is stupid.
Sure, if you love her and for her you were just a fling or notch on her bed post that might suck. But unless that was the exact situation you are just bitching over a girl fucking you.
Wahhh, she sucked my dick and only wants me for my body. Waahh, she fucked me but doesn't wanna be with me. Wahhh, she fucked me but doesn't love me
Seriously listen to yourself. If you have girls you're not interested in coming for your dick and you don't want them. Then okay, you have some leeway to say these girls need to leave you alone.
But crying over the reason a girl wants to suck your dick...
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Asker+1 yHold this same engergy if your mom or sister assuming you have a sister were being fetishized by white men. Lets see you singing the same tune
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+1 yLot of possible reason which may be glorified.
1. She just like a person and is genuine and doesn't date seeing skin color.
2. It might be her hobby to date one from every race.
3. Big dicks definetly one of the top most reasons.
4. Porn influence could be a posiblity you know.15 Reply
Asker+1 y3 & 4 seem the most explainable
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If you want it to be.
But what's the problem in it lol it always starts as sexual attraction then develops into something else but the thing is we also have to give something else for them to see
Asker+1 yBecause its based off of stereotypes and then i have to uphold these expectations that are put on me. Having a big dick & being good in bed
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That expectation is expected from almost every men by women like how men want girls with prity face and big boobs and butt
Asker+1 yBut a lot of white women chase us because they think we all have big dicks & can fuck good. Kinda racist
+1 yYeah same reason why I get turned off if a woman or teenage girl is flirting with me because of whatever K-Pop fetish they have as I pass as looking Korean. I don't want people to view me as some fetish object but value me for my personality and other intrinsic values.
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Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 yIt isn't technically a fetish, but some white women are definitely objectifying black men.
They do buy into the BBC stereotypes and talk about black men as if that's all they're good for.
It is a bit disturbing, but hopefully they will start respecting you more.
I'm very attracted to women of other races, but I legitimately fall in love with them.
I'm not trying to have gangbangs or sleep with as many as I can like some white women do to you guys.12 Reply
Asker+1 yDo you think porn plays a part in any of this?
Opinion Owner+1 yOh definitely.
There has been a huge trend in white women and black men dating and hooking up since the BBC, Blacked porn genre became popular.
It's based on some exaggerated stereotypes for sure, but the one interesting thing about it is that I think it's brought black men and white women together and allowed that pairing to explore their possible, natural attraction for each other.
It's currently on a very shallow level, but I think they may form some actual relationships from that whole situation.
On the flip side it's caused issues for some white males who are confused.
For some they feel betrayed by white women and for others like me who are more attracted to women of color, I feel fine about it all. LoL!
I love Asians, Latinas, Indians, Black and mixed women etc.
I have a one track mind and I focus on them.
I hope white women will someday cool it with the BBC porn obsession and learn to treat black men as more than that. Of course not all black men have BBC and it must be very painful to be objectified by white women or even rejected because they don't fit her stupid porn fantasy.
Black people are more than just that porn bullshit and deserve to be treated with love and respect.
Anonymous(25-29)+1 yFrom this site, majority still want white men. So it's not a lot of em
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Also statistically white women are the most loyal race
Racemixing propaganda is funded by Jews
Sites which focus on BMWF like blacked. com are Jewish owned
Lmao it's been my personal experience that white men care waaaaaay more about white girls being with black guys
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Asker+1 yThat doesn't mean there aren't any black men that don't. Being fetishized & having to uphold these expectations of having a big dick & being good in bed because of my skin color is dumb af
Asker+1 ySo you fetishize black men? Have you been watching too much porn?
Asker+1 yWay to answer the question 👍
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Whichever one she wants broken?
Everything I said is true.
Asker+1 y@yofuknutz Don't get why you're white knighting a random chick on here
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You can ask any of the females here I am not the most friendly person in the world I have my reasons and it's too long of a list to read in other words buy the fucking book. But for this particular moment I'm in the mood for a ass whooping and Kicking I'm starting to wonder what comes first the whoop or the kicking. Now with all that said get the fuck off my lawn unless you are here to mow it for me and then guess what even still when you're done get the fuck off my lawn!
https://youtu.be/NelBNtNm8l0
Asker+1 y@yofuknutz Cap. Straight cap
They don’t fettish about or black abs, muscles, lips etc. only our cocks. We’re just a piece of meat to them. That’s why a lot of white women who are married to white men fuck us. In other words we’re not marriage material to them because the so called white man is superior. I don’t fuck with white women
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yWhite women are the demographic that is the most affected by personality disorders. Sociopathy, histrionism, narcissism... All common among white women.
People with personality disorders tend to treat other human beings as objects and property, so it's not really surprising that white women objectify black men60 Reply359 opinions shared on Other topic. Weirdly enough, all I've seen is males on gag be the ones who fetishize it.
Now, I know some women probably do, buts its weird to have never experienced it save the black men themselves...11 ReplyThese women are just turning you black boys into a different kind of work horse, and they are expecting some OT and adventure. They expect you to be a slave to their desires.
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+1 yLol i dont know, maybe they like the contrast of their skin colour
40 ReplyWhy do a lot of white men fetishize being cucked by a black man?
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It's because they are weirdo porn addicts just like a lot of white women like you are.
Asker+1 yWait to dodge the question and turn it on everyone else lol
Asker+1 yAnswer the question
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can't because I don’t have enough xper to post images
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They don't the vast majority of white men are disgusted by that disgusting shit; it's a bizarre and racist porn industry myth perpetuated by losers and freaks who are addicted to porn.
+1 yPeople fetishize another "race" because they seem more interesting instead of being predictable. They might have certain features that are not so common in ones own ethnicity.
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+1 yHonestly white men also does the exact same shit, sometimes I be puzzle on why this is suddenly a occurrence. But yes I kinda hope I don't find a girl who just wants to date me to fulfill their weird fantasy.
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Asker+1 yWhat type? There are so many different type of white women that fetishize
Asker+1 yAnd so am i. I can value a person for their individuality and not some stereotype
+1 yIts not entirely white women's fault (im Asian). Black guys make it loud and clear that they have loud and big... you know what.
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@Grubhub not true. Im Asian and have liked black guys. I know people who married black guys too.
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@Grubhub so what is your point?
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@yofuknutz what beating. I stopped replying and blocked himcuz the dude is clearly a troll. My point was that black guys are the ones who brag about their big penises. If i had a dike for everytime a black man used this on me, id be a billionaire.
The same way latinas are fetishized? Literally by everyone lol but I’ve learned to take it as a compliment. I know what more I have to give but someone else appreciating me for my culture is nice lol
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Asker+1 yThe thing is i dont want to feel like a women doesn't value my individuality. And i also don't want to feel like i have to uphold these expectations of having a big dick or being good in bed because of my skin tone
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+1 yCause they less often behave like little PC bitches as some white guys. Women say they want that but they show that they don't.
10 Reply 503 opinions shared on Other topic. If there is more information, you should include it. But what you've described so far is a preference, not a fetishization.
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Asker+1 yIf a girl is only dating you because expects a big dick & being good in bed because of the color of your skin, that's not a preference
Asker+1 yThat's what a lot of white women associate black men with. Having big dicks n being good n bed
Asker+1 yI don't until they say some weird shit
+1 yLmao I had black guys fetishize me. You guys ain't special.
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Asker+1 y@Grubhub Yeah you're definitely weird man
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@Grubhub This guy knows. I am White. And bro, I would rather jump into lava than date a White Woman. They are literally nothing but sex objects. That's what White Women are good for. I hate knowing that I have been with White Women in the past. Knowing I made out and slept with some.. YUCK. It gives me goosebumps all the time.
Asians and African Women are the only Women worth Princess treatment.
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+1 yThose are the rejects man. Just keep on keepin' on.
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+1 yBut do you find it less weird when people fetishize people of other races?
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Other races than black I mean.
Asker+1 yNo it's still weird
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Ah okay. Yeah, then I agree.
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All race fetishization if dysfunctional and disgusting.
Anonymous(36-45)+1 yBlack men are the most hated species on earth by any race and/or gender.
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You need to go out more 🤣
You know! The real world.
Asker+1 yBruh you can't be serious
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That what i said about your comment, but sure, if you say so
Asker+1 y@Jaximus-Lion Im talking about the dude that said black men are the most hated species
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Just saw that 🤣 my bad
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To piss off white men/Make them envious
They enjoy being fetishized as well
To be placed on a pedestal
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+1 yBecause they got big Badonoka donks I’ve personally always been afraid of big badonka donks though
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Taliban is based and will kill all Jews like you
Go jerk off to more BBC porn on Blacked. com (which is owned by a Jewish guy)00 ReplyThis is false, white women are the least likely race to have interest in guy's outside of their race. If I remember correctly, it's mostly Oritental women who do that, but that's for white men.
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Asker+1 yBruh have you seen how many white girls chase after black men? That stat is horseshit when you see a lot of white girls talking about being blacked
+1 ySame reason why a lot of while men fetishize Asian women.
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Asker+1 yThat's wrong too
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Why?
Asker+1 yBecause individuality goes right out the window
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Not really. Some individual white girls like black guys because of the same reason some individual white guys like Asian girls. Aka they find them hot.
Asker+1 yBut again the feeling of knowing white women expect me to have a big dick or being s good fuck is dumb af based on the color of my skin
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I don't think is just about a big dick or a good fuck. I think they just like how they look.
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Kinda like a fetish
Anonymous(36-45)+1 ymany reasons. criminal element/bad boys. piss of daddy. rebel against society before marrying a white man and having white babies
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Opinion Owner+1 y@yofuknutz I won't be with a women who does this. Itas fine if she wants balck guys but that is it. i dont want her after learning that
Opinion Owner+1 y@yofuknutz she should be with you she is attracted to. Not someone who she thinks will pay for her to live. I would rather kill a woman who tricked me into supporting her
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+1 yThey think it proves they are not racist and they want that long dong kong
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+1 yNothing wrong with wanting to be with different race. Perfectly natural
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+1 yI mean the same reason anyone is fetishized.
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Asker+1 yDoesn't make it right though
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No it certainly doesn't
Good for you, other black men would eat it up
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Anonymous(25-29)+1 yI bet this post didn’t go the way you wanted it to lmao. Look at the female comments
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Asker+1 yEveryone is entitled to their opinion & i didn't have expectations but wanted an explanation
924 opinions shared on Other topic. This is one I've never heard.
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+1 yI’m not interested so not a lot of us
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Asker+1 yExceptions don't disprove the rule
No not me
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Asker+1 yExceptions don't disprove the rule
Anonymous(30-35)+1 yThe same reason white men prefer Asian women.
20 Reply301 opinions shared on Other topic. For the same reason people fetishize anyone.
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Anonymous(36-45)+1 yAttention seekers
I don't know20 ReplyThey look damgwtous and madcylne
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Wow those words look tough what do they mean
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I think I just broke my tongue...
+1 yI’m white and my girlfriend is black
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+1 yBecause they like Big Black Dicks...
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🤷♂️IDK
+1 yNice post rabbi
30 ReplyThey're called snow bunnies, Google it lol
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Asker+1 yHonestly man. Shits creepy af
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You wish10 Reply
Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 yNigga pullease!
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I’m not even gonna get mad at the slur and you didn’t even have to be anonymous to say that. The guy is a 🤡. He’s gotta be the stupidest person if he thinks white women really want black men. If that’s the case then why aren’t they marrying black men at a high rate? Uneducated fools. Hate black men like this
Opinion Owner+1 y^^^^^^stay black ⚫!
Opinion Owner+1 yI'm sorry did I break your concentration does Marcellus Wallace look like a bitch what what ain't no country I've ever heard of a double pecker dare you say what again!
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