What do you think about feminism and feminists? Girls and Guys please answer? Honest opinions?

[Immagirl17yrs]

Guys please

[MCheetah]

I've talked about this in the past in great detail, so I'll just copy-paste what I've said before:

Feminists are angry, horrible, self-serving, misandrist, miserable, sh*tty people who hate women almost as much as they despise men. They're also useless and follow an obsolete useless ideology for the West. See below reasons.

1. Women serve less jail time for the same crimes.
2. Women pay less for car insurance.
3. Women win law suit cases far more than men for the same suits.
4. Women are given a choice in abortion men are not.
5. Men have no reproductive rights.
6. Women will more likely win custody of children, or for that matter, basically any court decision.
7. Female prisons are vastly better quality and safer.
8. There are less women in prison.
9. Women can't be forcefully drafted into military service.
10. Women can't be forcefully sent into combat zones.
11. Men have to pass higher physical standards than women to enter any physically demanding job including the military, police, firemen, etc.
12. The vast majority of workplace deaths are men.
13. The vast majority of suicides are men by 4 times the amount than women.
14. Women report a high degree of happiness on average than men.
15. Men work more hours on average than women.
16. Women make up the majority of the workforce.
17. More women than men are college attendants.
18. Most college facilities funded by tuition benefit women more than men.
19. Even when accounting for the enrollment difference, colleges have to keep at the very least a 60/40 ratio on genders so many men are accepted late as to compensate for having too many women.
20. Despite there being more women in college there are vastly more female only scholarships that provide vastly more money.
21. More men choose to major in the math and sciences despite colleges trying to push more women into these fields and less men.
22. The wage gap does not exist when accounting for working hours and different jobs, despite men earning more on average than women.
23. Women spend more money than men, when not including the top 1% of wealth.
24. Men below the age of 30 earn less than women below 30.
25. Men make up the majority of the homeless and unemployed and yet women make up the majority of welfare recipients.
26. Teachers favor teaching girls over boys, causing boys to have lower general grades and happiness in school. Despite this boys on average score above girls in standardized tests like the SAT in the sections of math and science (see "The War On Boys").
27. Women are never expected to make the first move in either sex or starting a relationship or in advancing one.
28. Women are never expected to pay for anything in a relationship as dates, driving, rings, gifts, and etc. are paid by the man.
29. Women cheat more than men and yet men are depicted in media as the ones who cheat more.
30. Men are the victims of domestic abuse more than women and yet they are depicted by media as the abusers more often.
31. Women get special treatment socially, culturally, and legally for violence against them.
32. Men are expected to be the bread winner.
33. Women are often not expected to contribute or sacrifice anything to a relationship other than sex.
34. Women have a large number of help centers while men have none.
35. Female only gyms are abundant while male only are almost non existent and can be sued for discrimination.
36. Men are most often viewed as the bad guys in nearly all media.
37. Women are often depicted as empowered even to unrealistic degrees in media.
38. Women are rewarded and remembered for even minor contributions while men must make major ones for the same recognition.
39. Women have a much higher life expectancy.
40. Men pay more towards social security yet receive less of it than women.

[MCheetah]

41. Women are the majority of voters yet feminists still complain about the ratio of male politicians to female ones.
42. Fathers day is celebrated less and has less money spent on it than Mothers day.
43. Despite breast cancer and prostate cancer roughly killing the same number of people per year, breast cancer research receives around 90% more funding at an almost 2 to 1 ratio.
44. Men die more often from stress related illnesses.
45. Men can be forced to pay women money that they may or may not be used on a child that may or may not be theirs.
46. Women initiate the majority of divorces and receive the majority of their ex's money.
47. Often even after signing a pre-nup, a man must still pay this ex half his finances.
48. Roughly 10-30% of “fathers” are raising children who they are not aware aren't their own.
49. Men are the majority of rape victims (when using prison statistics), but men can't be LEGALLY raped by a woman without them using a penetration device.
50. Men are not given the right of consent.

[MCheetah]

51. Men are often "guilty until proven innocent" in cases of rape accusation.
52. Accused men are SOCIALLY considered rapists on the accusation of rape alone, even if they are later proven innocent.
53. Men have their identities exposed in cases of rape accusation while accusers do not.
54. Women face NO punishment for falsely accusing a man of rape.
55. Rape is used as an unofficial punishment against men in jail.
56. Women aren't arrested and jailed for selling sex to men but men are arrested and jailed for buying sex from women.
57. Male models and sex workers actually get paid less than females for the same work.
58. Male genital mutilation (circumcision) is common and treated as a joke while female genital mutilation is rare and seen as a serious matter.
59. Men are exposed to thousands of chemicals everyday that have drastically detrimental effects on their reproductive and physical health while women experience only a fraction of these effects.
60. Women have thousands of government-funded organizations defending them from sexism and men have none.

[MCheetah]

First wave feminists. They were rich white women who used terrorism to undermine women's voting rights.

"The overall effect of the suffragette militancy, however, was to set back the cause of women's suffrage. For women to gain the right to vote it was necessary to demonstrate that they had public opinion on their side, to build and consolidate a parliamentary majority in favour of women's suffrage and to persuade or pressure the government to introduce its own franchise reform. None of these objectives was achieved."

That was about women's suffrage, not "equality." And the suffragettes fucked that up, anyway. They actually hurt their own cause.

Second wave feminism was about women's legal workplace rights, especially following World War II, where men were overseas and women could be paid as cheap labor. It's the only time there's ever been a literal 'wage gap' in recent American culture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-wave_feminism

Women's workplace and legal rights, not "equality." RIGHTS. NOT. "EQUALITY."

[MCheetah]

Third wave feminism is about "rape culture" and "the wage gap", which have both been debunked so many times, it's ridiculous.

Take your pick.

Third-wave is also about "patriarchy," but their definition for it is so nebulous, it doesn't even have one, not even from "feminist scholars." (I tried not to laugh while typing that.)

Fourth wave is about intersectionality and pretty much blaming all things on white males. It's also about trying to change definitions of terms, like the "new racism" being "power plus prejudice equals racism".

Fourth-wave is about whites, straight, CIS people, and men being "problematic" and bigoted in some way, including our next president, Donald Trump, for some reason.

Not a single one of these ideologies or their studies fit "the goal of achieving legal, economic, and social equality." And perhaps you missed the biggest thing of all: HOW do you objectively define "equality"? What is literally just one right men have that women do not in the West? I think the only way for the feminist view of "equality" to even be possible is through Communism. Of course, this isn't accounting the fact that men suffer 9:1 in comparison to women in the West. And they also get to vote without signing up for Selective Service, unlike men, who are required to do so. But yeah, they just want that "equality," huh?

[Heartache0405]

The incredible list you made is why I believe we live in a Misandristic gynocentric society. One that is pretty much a matriarchy disguised as a patriarchy so that the matriarchy can't be criticized.

[MCheetah]

@Heartache0405
I understand your frustrations. But in reality, we live in an oligarchy of rich assholes and morons who think their wealth entitles them to rule over us. And we always have, dating back thousands of years in human history. Some of the most powerful people in the last thousand years were the queens of England and Spain.

Yet whenever I or anyone else brings this up, they use distractions like abortion, racism, COVID, and yes, even "misogyny", to divide us and cause in-fighting. Feminism is just one of the tools that idiots follow to see their fellow human as "the enemy" instead of the mega-wealthy and modern day corporate kings and queens.

[Heartache0405]

Never considered that... 😳 yikes

[Heartache0405]

I hate feminism with a passion.


I didn't always care about it at all until my second college where a girl who considered herself a feminist falsely accused me. Other feminist types on here claim that what she accused me of was genuine when they weren't even there and don't know all of the facts. I have ptsd because of it and have given up on dating and relationships because of it too.


Apart from that... Feminism used to be a good thing in the past when involved with women's voting and women in the workplace. And guess who passed the laws allowing women to vote and work? MEN! But in the modern day, how do women repay men for giving them those things? They integrate mass misandrism into their movement and in turn into American society as a whole. And they either claim that that's not true or that men deserve it because women were "and are still" oppressed. 😂 Please... If women were still oppressed, how would they be getting away with so much BS towards men? If anything, men are the oppressed ones. But who gives a fuck about men? No one? Exactly.


They're either trying to get women to act more like men (Which majority of men don't find attractive at all because they're not gay) or they're teaching women to be victims. They're even destroying the two person family. How many single mothers do you know who have to rely on food stamps? Who's fault is that? Their own. But who do they blame? Their ex. Go on and ask a single mother. I'll wait

[Immagirl17yrs]

Dude! This is where you went wrong.. You think we should be grateful to men for giving us basic human rights which shouldn't have ever been taken from us anyways? Please try to understand that we are humans too! We have our own lives and we are no less human than the male gender.

[Heartache0405]

There's a great documentary called "The Red Pill" by Cassie Jaye. She once considered herself a feminist until she spoke with MRAs that she considered to be "the enemy" and now she doesn't consider herself either a feminist nor an MRA. But for true understanding between men and women. Unfortunately feminists reject her now due to her awakening. Huh... Sounds like the political left liberal democrats 😂 The party of tolerance is anything but

[Heartache0405]

@Immagirl17yrs, if women are no less human than the male gender then maybe they should start giving me reason to believe that instead of being bitches 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Immagirl17yrs]

I don't want to fight dude but if we are bitches you aren't less than any dog!

[Immagirl17yrs]

What did she accuse you of

[Immagirl17yrs]

And by the way is your mum a bitch too? As she is a woman too ain't she?

[Heartache0405]

Why should I tell you if you're defending feminism? You'll just tell me that she was right and that I'm a terrible person. 😂 All you women give a shit about is other women and the men who you consider to be "allies" 😂

[Immagirl17yrs]

No dude! This ain't true! If you were right and she falsely accused her i would support you!

[Heartache0405]

If I were still a teenager I'd say yes. Especially sense she didn't even believe me when I was falsely accused. My dad and his side of the family were the ones who helped me through it.

Now? I don't count family members because they're family and don't want to see me in jail for something I didn't do. Because they love me by default. Other women don't get that luxury from me.

[Immagirl17yrs]

And if the other women are actual feminists they would too! We believe in equality NOT suppressing men and supporting women even when they are wrong

[Heartache0405]

😂 SUUUUUUUURE, I've come across too many women like you on this app. And the funny thing is I've learned that by not telling a woman something because I know how they'd act they pull a 180 so that no one will really know what they would actually say. Just to make me look bad. So no

[Heartache0405]

That's a load of bullshit and you know it. Feminists are manipulative little girls these days. I don't trust a single word they say

[Immagirl17yrs]

Umm sure bro! I just want things to be cool. Tbh if you think this way i feel you might be wrong and might not really understand it. It happens sometimes. You should just try to put yourself in other people's too though and understand their situations.

[Heartache0405]

You know, the whole "put yourself in the other persons shoes" thing was what the college head of security told me while I was visiting with the dean who told the girl to go to the police in not one but two fucking counties. I wanted to tell him "well, I would but I'm not a bitch with a panic disorder who gets off on using her female protection to serve ex parte ppo to guys all willy nilly then try to hire my lawyer to fuck me over 😂 so that shit ain't going to fly. Like I said I don't trust feminists. If you claim to be a feminist why the fuck should I trust you?

[Immagirl17yrs]

Tbh you've been through too much shit dude! I hope you've at least understood what went wrong and where it did. I don't really have any idea of what happened and nor do i want to know. I just hope better for you. And i hope you move on from all this. And i really hope you at some point understand that we are humans too..

[Heartache0405]

Playing the high point, nice. Either way I look like the bad guy but I guess that comes with living in a Misandrist gynocentric country and using the internet.

[Immagirl17yrs]

I never said you are bad. please don't take this in the wrong way. I respect your opinions. And I'm sorry if you feel wronged in any way..

[Heartache0405]

You didn't have to say it. You simply implyit by starting off attacking my opinion then diverting to the "Oh in so sorry for you. Look I'm a feminist I care see I care!" Pfft, like one feminist out of the bulk is gonna sway my opinion on them as a whole.

I believe women are human just as much as men are but I also think they're inherently Misandristic and can easily manipulate emotions to make them look innocent and caring and society helps with this because women are said to be the caring and nurturing ones. That's a load of bull too. Explains why everyone only remembers the male serial killers and not the female ones

[Anonymous]

I’m a feminist who believes in equality for BOTH men and women. I do NOT hate men. In some parts of the world, you NEED to be a feminist if you want to be treated like a decent human being and not some mere object.

I do agree that there are some feminazis who bring feminism a bad name. But feminism as a whole is much needed even in this modern world where some countries are not so modern. There are some so called “feminists” spreading misinformation about true feminism. Their distorted version of feminism is NOT what true feminism implies.

[Opinion Owner]

Woah there are some real close minded snowflakes on here🤣

[Opinion Owner]

I mean, 3 dislikes! Sheesh

[doopayo]

As a proletarian feminist I’m not against it. I’m just against the methodology and harm feminists such as terfs, swerfs, first wave feminists, and liberal feminists have done.

[Effably]

Assuming we mean modern feminism in EU/NA. Since uni I am instantly cautious around anyone considering themselves one.

On principle I feel that the second someone makes a cause about feminism they make it about the social politics instead of the issue or cause at hand. If someone cares strongly about something they would address that first and their ism somewhere else. If you tried saying "I am a feminist and I think X is bad. How can we solve it?" the responses tend to be either echo-chamber stuff about feminism or aggression towards it. If instead you removed the feminist bit people will go after X instead, working on an actual solution.

Knowing and understanding that simple fact means I find anyone who promotes feminism and fixing something is after a social platform and validation/arguing, not fixing things.

[Coolj]

Honestly after reading through a lot of these comments I'm convinced that most of them either don't actually know what feminism is or have a tainted view of what it really is. Feminism isn't a bad thing. It's simply women and men who support and agree that women should have equal rights as men. Meaning everything should be 50/50 not 70/30.

[Anonymous]

Like most people, including most women, I do not support feminism. And there are very good reasons for that.

The reality of feminism now is very different from what it claims to be about. I think most everyone supports the goal of equality and fairness, and if feminism actually supported those goals, as it claims to, almost everyone would support feminism.

But the reality is that feminism isn't about equality or fairness at all. It's very gynocentric and sexist against men. That's just a fact that any honest person who pays attention can easily see, and that's why even most women won't call themselves feminists. They are good people and won't support the kinds of things feminism actually does (as opposed to what it claims to do).

Good people support equality and fairness. Good people don't support feminism.

[FunkyMonkee]

Being a BIT feminist is okay but, being a feminazi is a MAJOR fucking annoying pain in the ass!! Get a fucking life, already!! Do you REALLY want to waste your ENTIRE LIFE knit-picking over the TINIEST of infractions, most of which you probably spent HOURS, if not WEEKS, ruminating over as to whether they actually ARE infractions in SOME bizarre form of your twisted view of the world?

[Anonymous]

Women are not less than men but also women shouldn't try to be equal to men. Men and women ARE different with different capabilities and different biologies. Women shouldn't trash those things inherently female like creating children just to try and be "equal to men".

[Heartache0405]

Agreed

[ODC2112]

They are one of the worst forms of populism the world has encountered so far. Unlike other populisms, they are exceptionally hypocritical babbling about parity when they speak of supremacy alone, which they have always done since the 19th century. They are no different from cancer.

[Eeyore18]

Honestly, I have no idea what feminist actually do. But, if we're talking about women with jobs and doing everything a man can do... You can't. And I'm not trying to put y'all down, but there are some things that women can't do.

[Anonymous]

Modern western feminism is a dishonest, divisive, and extremely gynocentric movement that, in the last couple of decades, has done a lot more harm than good. It hides behind a dictionary definition that bears no resemblance to the reality of what it actually does.

[Heartache0405]

☝🏼️☝🏼️☝🏼️

[CarolineW]

I'm fed up with hearing people going on about it, just as I am about slavery, sexism, racism, political correctness, homosexuals, lesbians... I really have no interest, so shut up

[BillboBaggher]

Kinda odd but whatever. I get being happy for yourself and all that but I think people take it a bit too far when they become aggressive about it. We’re all just humans living on this big ass rock tryna figure shit out. Do you tho, I’m glad for anybody who finds a community that they vibe with because we have grown into society’s and our dna is engrained with tribal nature.

[Msputiton]

Feminists are fine.
It's the extremists who gives them a bad name

[Recurrence]

I’m a feminist, I know there’s extreme feminists around, but they’re a vocal minority.

[this_is_me_123]

My honest view is that they're just another obnoxious, moronic hate group, like the Ku Klux Klan, Antifa, and BLM. The world would be much better off without those radical psychos.

[noohair]

I respect women, I do not want to be judged by what other med say or do.
Some women act like it is a religion.

[Anonymous]

Like most activist causes. Narrow focus, intolerant, and not open to discussion.

[Heartache0405]

Oh they claim to be open to discussion. They just keep it going until it becomes an argument you can't win. You either have to agree with their way or take my favorite option. The highway.

[HighValue]

Hypocritical and immoral.

[Wise4myage]

Definitely not something I like.

[Immagirl17yrs]

Why thoughh?