What are your thoughts on feminism?

[Phantomshadow77]

Feminism has became a controversial topic where no one can seem to agree. People seem to either love it or despise it. I want to know people’s perspective on it so we can have an intelligent conversation and learn the nuances in different perspectives.

[Anonymous]

it's a trojan horse used for Marxists to infiltrate religion and traditionalism particularly Christianity in an effort to dismantle the nuclear family unit, the fundamental building block of any civilization

gender relationships between men and women have gotten worse, corruption is at an all-time high, crime rates are increasing as is cost of living and billions of babies have underwent genocide

the "good" elements of feminism are only written on paper but the bad elements of feminism are what is being practiced

it has nothing to do with "extremists" because when push comes to shove, even moderate feminists align more with the extremists

[Phantomshadow77]

Studies show that egalitarian families work a lot better than nuclear families.

[Opinion Owner]

which "studies" are you referring to?

[Phantomshadow77]

Look it up

[Opinion Owner]

I did and there's nothing

[Phantomshadow77]

Look up specific ways that traditional marriages have disadvantaged mothers.

[Opinion Owner]

specific ways like what? not needing to pay the bills? not needing to confront home intruders? not needing to do the heavy lifting? not getting blamed when their children are disobedient?

[Phantomshadow77]

I told you to look it up. Look up a mother’s mental health. Look up how much rest she really gets and the quality of that rest. Look up how stressful motherhood really is when they’re doing the bulk of the domestic tasks, childcare tasks, and mental load. Look up how resentful marriages become.

[Chazmatazz269]

🤣🤣🤣🤣
You couldn’t be more wrong!

[Opinion Owner]

I did look it up and there's no studies on this. just a bunch of unverified self-reported opinions

my mother, grandmother and aunts are exactly the type of woman you're describing and they were never stressed about motherhood. they're happily married to my father, grandfather and uncles

bulk of the domestic tasks? like what? mowing the lawn? cleaning the pool? cleaning the garage? cleaning the gutter? moving heavy objects? confronting home intruders?

the marriages that are most resentful and break up the most are egalitarian marriages

[aceleon]

it was going to work on some cases.

but later some woman started to exploit it inorder to gain power via shaming man for being and acting like a male.

[Phantomshadow77]

Can you give some examples of what women shame men for?

[aceleon]

even for being a biological male at this point.
they created a sense of man and boy, where man is the guy who is more of a dog than a human, works hard for the woman and bothers with every shit even the ones she is perfectly capable of.
and boys happens to be the one who acts like a biological male, even our sex drive is shamed, we are immature if we don't want to commit to anyone, we are pedo if we like younger girls even if they are 18 or above or even if we don't like body hair (a sign of testosterone aka male hormone) on girls, if we don't wanna pay for your shits we are princesses, if we don't put our own mother's into second or third place in ourlives we are mama's boys who are married to their mother, if we like the company of our male friends better we are closeted gays or little boys.
and funny enough most of what i used as a sign can be seen in almost every other biologically male creatures (mainly mammals like us) they shame us for something evolution itself deemed necessary and didn't erase or convert.

[Phantomshadow77]

We don’t have a problem with the sex drive, we have a problem with how a lot of men treat women as objects for men’s pleasure rather than human beings. We don’t like how men catcall us, grope us, hold us to unrealistic beauty standards, how men manipulate us into having sex with them, how they treat us like we’re problematic for rejecting them but sluts for not rejecting them, how they make inappropriate comments towards us anywhere we go such as our jobs, and how our bodies are seen as something that belongs to random men more than us. How would you feel if everywhere you go people treated you as nothing more than an object? You can explore and express your sexuality while still being respectful of people’s human dignity and autonomy. Also it’s still wrong to like someone if you can be their dad even if they’re the legal age of consent because there’s still a power imbalance due to the age difference. We only consider you a “mamas boy” if you can’t do basic life skills and don’t stand up for us when your mom is rude to us.

[aceleon]

1-i wasn't talking about harassment, it is not right in any case it has nothing to do with woman rights or anything, it is to do with not being a criminal.
2-unrealistic beauty standarts? do you wanna talk about this? how about we talk about height standarts? you can always be hotter or prettier, we can't be taller, so if you wanna go blame anyone for unrealistic standarts start with woman not guys because we at least have standarts for somethings you can do with just living healthier.
3- everywhere we go we are already treated like objects, what do you think working for someone is? we are treated as tools to make money it is true with both sexes.
4- if you meant sexual object as a male i would be living a dream since we want womans to want sex with us, most of us wouldn't care of what you percieves us as.
5-umm no, it isn't power dynamic? really? is this your argument? sorry dear but i can't be bothered with this, if a hot enough woman who were old enough to be my mom aprroached me, i wouldn't give a damn about the power dynamic at all.
6- it is a point of not being able to do, it is a matter of NOT WANTİNG to do it. also i can't talk for every guy but if my mother ever got rude towards anyone and not just my girls i would not stand up for them because you have to be a total douchebag for my mom to ever go rude towards you.
also weren't you the gender who argues about which of you should sit at the front seat at the car your husband rides between his mother and you? like it is some sort of a right you got with marrying. you may not do this but most woman does.

[Anonymous]

To which feminism are you referring? The original movement that had honorable goals to make the world a better place for women, or what passes as "feminism" today and is more about hating men than helping women?

Today's feminism is what happens to a movement when it has already achieved its goals so it has to invent problems to keep women angry at men so it can remain "relevant".

Does that help?

[NordicInScandinavia]

I just refer to myself as an equalitarian because then I'll avoid some men getting their balls twisted with feminism being referred as feminism and how it's excluding them. Poor victims.

[jshm2]

LOL, it's not "controversial" in the least. You're confusing it with "misandry" which is controversial.

The nuances in "feminism" stem from it meaning different things to women in different parts of the world. In some regions they can even be polar opposites.

[Chazmatazz269]

Feminism is the second greatest con of all time. The first being diamonds. It’s not ironic that women were the primary targets of both.

[BarryLiverstone]

It’s great! Helped women gain so much over the years

[sirderpsalot123]

Good in theory, but as with any other ideology or movement, extremists are ruining it.

[Phantomshadow77]

Problematic people don’t change the merits of rhetoric.

[DrPepper12]

Beneficial & disappointment at how far we still need to go.

[Anonymous]

The principles of original feminism were good and needed at the time. Those days are long gone. Today's feminism does nothing good, but it has done and continues to do a lot of harm.

[Beckybooboo]

I'm a feminist.

[Iron_Man]

😵 😳

[Miristheiss]

It has destroyed civilization.

[seeyounexttuesday]

Feminism is cancer.

[Bakunyuu]

I don’t support feminism.

[Phantomshadow77]

Based on your profile picture and banner, I can see why.