Do you guys think humans are meant to be loyal?

[Anonymous]

Like naturally do you think we are meant to have one partner? i mean people cheat all the time. And this whole being loyal thing is a society thing not a natural thing. Like some spiders eat their mu fuckin mate so are we meant to only be with one person?🤔

[Revvl]

I can't believe the doof that said that there's no "designer." What a lost soul. Go sit quietly in nature for 20 minutes, and if you still think there's no designer, then you are a fool.

No, animals are not meant to be loyal, but humans have come to an agreement that they need to be loyal. I seriously doubt that rabbits fall in love, but unfortunately, humans do.

[normalice]

To say anything is "meant" implies some designer to mean it. Variety is the foundation upon which all life is possible so unless we're discussing laws of physics, there is no set rule where a counterexample is physically impossible,

[Asker]

Well something made us

[normalice]

Unlikely

[Asker]

Then how do you suppose we got here

[Asker]

Something can't come from nothing would you agree with that yes or no.

[normalice]

The "big bang" seems plausible but I'm not an astrophysicist, so I have no idea. However, I'm comfortable not knowing. People who believe in a creator don't "know," either, though. That's what belief is: not knowing.

In any case, for what it's worth, I'm 99.999%sure there isn't a god, but 100% sure that if there is a god none of the existing religions are worshiping it.

[Asker]

I'm not saying there's a God either. I'm not religious but if I hold out my hand I bet you a tomato isn't gonna grow out of no where. Everything has to come from something and the reason I bring it up is because you say the only way something was meant to be is if some designer meant it. which I say something made us. Unless you think we just appeared out of no where

[normalice]

There are other explanations besides "appeared out of nowhere" and "a god did it." The false dichotomy is entirely made up by the "a god did it" people..

[Asker]

And what's the explanation

[normalice]

Please re-read my first reaponse.

[Asker]

Please re read my response to that.

[normalice]

There was no response to it. Just a response after it. At no point was "just appeared out of nowhere" mentioned in the given explanation.

[Asker]

Your explanation implies just that. You think the big bang theory. I ask you where did that come from then

[Asker]

Until you can come up with a reason for anything that didn't come from something then you've got nothing

[normalice]

Yes. As I said. The big bang theory seems plausible. But I don't know. The thing is: you dont know either. Your nonsense explanation doesn't get to be right be default just because you were brainwashed with it at an early age. Sorry.

[Asker]

The fuck are you talking about brainwashed if you read my sentences you'd see that I'm not religious either. And you tell me to re read your messages😂

You're right you don't know, and I never claimed to know which is why I originally made this post to begin with you're the one insinuating that we came from nothing that's where you are wrong and always will be

[Asker]

It seems like you're not even reading my responses either because how you're replying you're acting like I'm saying the big bang theory never happened or that " god" made the big bang theory. Like why are you acting dumb?

[normalice]

You claimed "something made us." That's a statement of certianty.

[Asker]

Yes something, i never said someone. Just like how a seed made an apple. The apple didn't appear from no where

[normalice]

If you're suggesting by "something" you just meant random chance, I apologize.

But, that is a weird way to phrase it.

[Asker]

I'm saying something as in, like when we are being developed into being a human inside the womb your cells have " instructions" that tell it okay you need this this and this , which is why most of us come out with 5 fingers 2 arms, etcetera. I could even say how some people are made gay,
My question was are humans meant to be loyal, are they meant to not cheat just like how naturally turtles leave their young to fend for themselves, it's wired in their brain that once they hatch they go for the water. No one taught them that now because us humans have a bigger brain we make things acceptable and somehow someone and people agreed that, we should be loyal to one significant other and cheating is bad. My question was yes its like that now because of society but NATURALLY, which I'm going to loop back into the something made us point, obviously whatever made us, either the cells in our body or a "god" did it intend for us to not cheat. And if so why do so many people cheat

[normalice]

Yes. My original opinion still stands. If there was no "design specs" behind how humans have thus far turned out then it is random chance with the only bias being what survives. And the evolutionary advantage of monogamy is not so great that nonmonogamous people can't survive.

[Asker]

There are designs though. And yes I get what you're saying people can think their own way I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm not saying being loyal or not has a benefit or no benefit to survival. But only having one mate is not a human only thing, I hear fucking penguins only have one mate, I don't know how true that is I just saw it somewhere but let's say that's true right. Whether it is or not is irrelevant. Unless they as a species decided " yeah guys let's all be loyal" then that's a natural thing. As a species, to survive going to the root of our population. We're they born to say we have to be loyal, or where they born to say, it's okay to have multiple partners. Or even if it didn't matter at all. And if it didn't matter at all or we weren't meant to be loyal to one person then that would explain why so many people cheat, because it goes against what's natural. Just how us guys wanna fuck girls more than girls are willing to let them hit. Could you imagine if girls were wired the same as guys sexually? Now I'm not saying girls dont like sex or like it as much but if you go to the average girls messages I bet you it'll be flooded with guys tryna fuck. And i bring all this up because "naturally" that's just what us guys want to do

[normalice]

There are no designs without a designer.

[Asker]

If there are no designs then how would you explain that majority of humans are born with one head, two hands, two legs, 10 fingers, 10 toes, hair, guys have dicks, girls dont, guys are naturally stronger, I could keep going but you get my point. Unless you think it's all just by chance.

[Asker]

I feel like this question is too advanced for you because I genuinely think you're not understanding what I'm saying

[normalice]

Again, because that's what has survived.

[Asker]

And thats been my point all along, there HAS to being a designer whether it be "god" which I agree I dont think so but if it's God or even the cells in our body SOMETHING is making us

[Asker]

... yeah you just aren't understanding this at all. I'm wasting time here

[normalice]

There doesn't have to be a designer. Random chance with a bias towards the survivable, probably, but any entity imagining humanity first and then setting to work at brining it into being, unlikely.

[Asker]

Oh my goddd😂😂 you starting to annoy me. I never FUCKING said an ENTITY was fucking sitting there in their God chair creating humans. how fucking ever WE ARE MADE UP OF CELLS and those cells MADE us with a GENERAL idea of what the fuck to do. FUCK

[Asker]

It's sad how you think and act like you know what you're talking about when you dont.. like you're just talking out your ass

[normalice]

That's what "design" means. If you want it to mean a different word then just use the different word 🤷

[Asker]

Can cells not be a desiner?

[normalice]

No. Designing is necessarily a cognitive function. I know what you're saying now but I don't remember the word for it. It isn't design, though..

[Asker]

"a plan or drawing produced to show the look and function or workings of a building, garment, or other object before it is built or made." That is the Google definition of " design" now could that word not be used as what our cells are doing? How do you think we look like our mother and father? Obviously the cells aren't literally reading their DNA like a book. I have no idea how a baby develops in a womb but the CELLS know what's going on. How? Fuck if I know. But once that baby starts developing those cells have "plan" that makes us look like our parents or similar so there is, In a sense, a "designnnnn" that the cells are using. I'm not gonna sit here and act like I know what the hell cells do or think , I don't even know if they can fucking think I just know they do something and majority of the time it comes out similar

And even if I'm not using the word correctly you still get my point of what I'm trying to say. Which is why I keep saying if we were " intended" to be loyal naturally now if you say " it can't be intended if there was no one who made it" then ima stop replying

[normalice]

That's the noun. I'm talking about the verb, which is the only way "designer" can be a noun.

[Asker]

Wait till you find out what a designer does

[normalice]

Thats what I'm saying. They design. That's a verb in that sentence.

[Berethor]

Spiders is what happen when females are stronger than males. Women are pregnant for 9 months, it's a lot of time, monogamy serve women, as to not be fucked and dumped by men.

[BarryLiverstone]

Animals are not loyal but as humans we have evolved to be loyal. Do you wanna devolve?

[Asker]

If they evolved to be loyal why do so many cheat

[BarryLiverstone]

Because temptation is all around us. People cheat on their diets, they cheat on their taxes… better behavior is making a promise and staying committed

[Asker]

So then how did we evolve

[BarryLiverstone]

Over the centuries we discovered nuclear families are better for the bloodlines

[BarryLiverstone]

The concept of love being to reason for marriage is very recent in the span of human existence