Do you believe the US will fall to China?

[MementoMori777]

[dynamicyandere]

I’m a strong believer in the strength of the United States military.


So, if we’re talking world war…


I believe in a 1 on 1 fight, the United States would be able to beat China or Russia in a war. Where the gray area happens is alliances. China has been slowly expanding its reach across the globe and would also have Russia’s aid. The United States has allies of their own though. Who would win I believe would depend on who will and who won’t join the fight.


But, perhaps China already understands that they wouldn’t be able to win through brute military force. That might be why they may be trying more covert tactics like creating economic dependence, spreading propaganda, paying United States companies and celebrities obscene amounts of money to get the United States to deteriorate from the inside. To weaken its enemy first, before it makes a strategic strike.


It’s a tough call. It’s hard to tell with all the different factors at play. I’d still place my bet on the United States though.

[MementoMori777]

Fair points

[DryGermanGuy]

Fall, as in after having lost a war? Or merely from an economical standpoint?

In a non-nuclear war outside of Chinese territory plus neighboring countries, China could not use their millions and millions of grunts. Also they have way less experience than the United States in large-scale warfare and less advanced weaponry. It would be a bloody battle, but ultimately China would lose.

In a nuclear war, there are no winners, so the point would be moot. Maybe China has a slight post-apocalyptic advantage by having a larger landmass, so the chances are a bit higher to find non-contaminated towns and areas.

[MementoMori777]

I'm mean fall fall, no longer exists type of fall, but you think the US would use their planetary defense weapons if there was a nuclear war?

[DryGermanGuy]

I don't believe in the possibility of a nuclear war. Also I don't know what you mean by "planetary defense weapons". In the event of an actual nuclear war - especially one involving a super power - all bets are off.

[MementoMori777]

Our planetary defense for any space debris, I think they are also smart missiles that they have to destroy asteroids and stuff, in case an asteroid too big ever tries to collide with our planet, I think every country has them, maybe using those as defense against nuclear weapons is possible lol

[genericname85]

If the USA decides to fight china, they'll lose. Cause china is allied with Russia and therefore the USA is gonna have to fight the entirety of Eurasia. And I hope if that happens, Europe finally says fuck you to the us mafia and frees themself of their dictatorship.

[MementoMori777]

Yea mostly if Nato cowards out which I feel they will at the end

[genericname85]

I'm not sure. They're so far up the USAs ass, I don't know if they can even pull out.

Like Biden straight up launched a terror attack on German infrastructure and German media still act as if nobody knows who it was, while American Media are mocking Germany for not doing anything.

[MementoMori777]

Really I didn't hear about that, they only tell us what they wanna tell us I guess 😂

[genericname85]

You didn't hear about the sabotage of Nordstream?

[MementoMori777]

Nope but to be fair I don't watch the news because of that reason, it's full of negative shit lol

[genericname85]

Ok. Well Nordstream is a famous gas pipeline that supplies Germany and other European countries with gas from russia, which is very important energy infrastructure.

"Someone" nuked the thing after Biden announced that Nordstream will not be functional. After asked by a reporter how he's gonna do that since it's under German control, he said "we will make sure it doesn't work".. just few month later, the thing was blown up and German media genuinely acts as if they can't know who it was.

[MementoMori777]

Damn sorry my president is such a retard, spineless too, just wasting our explosives on gas lines, not to mention dragging other countries into it when I know he was trying to piss Russia off

[genericname85]

Don't need to be sorry. Our president is a full retard too. I lost believe in democracy. There's no way what's happening is "the will of the people".

[MementoMori777]

Yea mostly when all the people are so close to taking each other out

[genericname85]

people don't want to take each other out. the elites want that, not the people. but the people are too dumb to understand that they're being riled up by propaganda.

[MementoMori777]

Yep smh

[JordanianNumetal]

forget that, the US could take the whole rest of the world combined hands down. Massively Superior military everything.

[MementoMori777]

Yes but the reason I'm debating it now is cause of a gold deposit they found worth 3 trillion dollars, they can catch up to our military technology now

[Still-alive]

Yup. Don’t forget we send billions to the military all the time. They aren't just sitting on it lol.

[MementoMori777]

That is true, our government does like to blow money on our military but are we sure biden is using this money on our military or does he have no power over that

[dynamicyandere]

Yeah, our military budget seems bottomless. We will fund our military whatever we need to, in order to protect our freedom.

Besides, because of the frequent wars the United States gets involved in, our troops and technology is always battle-tested.

In-field experience is a huge advantage. In fact, that’s probably one of the reasons that the United States is willing to intervene in a lot of wars.

It’s so that our soldiers are always ready for war, by acquiring real world experience and keeping our tactics fresh and well-trained.

[MementoMori777]

I didn't know that, that's actually a good point, everyone else gonna be lost in battlefield

[dynamicyandere]

Also, the USMC is known to always use hand me downs when it comes to gear.

It’s not the best gear that wins wars. Mental sharpness and tactical genius and real world experience goes a very long way.

Throwing money at a military isn’t going to make it more competent than a more experience fighting force, unless the technology is SO advanced that it changes the game (e. g. guns vs bows and arrows).

For example, giving a kid a wad of cash so he can get the best gear and training facilities, doesn’t mean he’s going to be able stand up against seasoned fighters that were trained by seasoned fighters who were trained by seasoned fighters.

[MementoMori777]

That's true our troops have more combat experience, you think any country is gonna break the global biological warfare law, I feel like in desperate measures, war got no rules and it's on a thin line, not to mention a lot of countries actually own biological weapons, this shows distrust from everyone to everyone in a way, it's only a matter of time before someone uses them

[FunkyMonkee]

It's looking that way but, as my neighbor pointed out the other day, we're China's best customer so, it's not likely they're gonna fuck us over because, without us buying all their cheap shit, they'll go out of business! However, if they take over the country, as they're won't to do, they'll just force their shit on us because they'd be in charge. And, just THINK of how THRILLED all the loony lefties will be when that happens!!

[MementoMori777]

They found a gold deposit of 3 trillion dollars, I don't know if they care about our money anymore lol

[NamerOfStars]

No. They're WAY too economically dependent on the US; if we go down, they'll break our fall.

[MementoMori777]

I heard they found a deposit of gold worth 3 trillion dollars, I doubt they care about the US anymore, that gold deposit paid our debts type shit 😂

[NamerOfStars]

Three trillion dollars worth of gold would almost fifty thousand tons, or nearly a quarter of all the gold that has ever been mined in human history. Such a discovery would absolutely bottom out the gold market; you wouldn't be paying ANYTHING more than a cup of coffee with a discovery like that.

[MementoMori777]

That's what they claimed it was, from what they said it was 50 tons, could've been 500, I dont remember it too good

[NamerOfStars]

Gold is just shy of $2000 an ounce.

[MementoMori777]

I just read what it said, I don't live in China so it's expected for me not to get the whole story 😂

[NamerOfStars]

Then it's also not really reasonable to be using it as evidence of their economic strength, is it?

[MementoMori777]

That's true but china has something up their sleeve and the element of surprise is a classic for causing huge chaos, if they ally with Russia then they might be in on it too, I don't know who will win but the chances of us (here speaking to each other) getting out of it alive is very slim, we would be long gone lol

[MementoMori777]

Whoever is from the US here I mean

[Anonymous]

No. The US is the most powerful country in history.

[MementoMori777]

Not anymore

[Opinion Owner]

More powerful than ever. China is merely a regional power and it can't even control its region ie South China Sea.
In 2017 the US told Europe they needed to spend more on their militaries, committ more to NATO, buy us weapons, stop buying Russian oil/gas and buy US oil/gas and this is exactly what has happened in 2023, that's power.

[MementoMori777]

Yea but the head of our country has lost his mind tho, this country is too prideful and that's dangerous, they already brainwashed our population with tiktok and so many of the men in this country have been feminized, meanwhile biden talks about ice cream, our money is crashing, China makes most if not all our technology, they have eyes everywhere in the US basically, we will see what happens but I'm calling it, the US is gonna meet their doom if we don't get our shit together

[Opinion Owner]

The president of the united States is a figurehead just like the king of Britain. No president has had any real power since JFK.
TIKTOK didn't brainwashed the population, social media existed well b4 it. The Chinese saw a way of making money and spying on the US, though they don't have to work to hard as there's been so many instances of us military and federal employees posting stuff voluntarily on social media.
China doesn't make most if our technology but they do mass produce consumer goods. Us intelligence agencies know more about what happens in China than the Chinese government.

[MementoMori777]

All I know is that this country is so stuck in delusion that it will get caught off guard, when it happens it wouldn't even matter who wins cause the chances are we both will most likely be dead

[Opinion Owner]

No the citizens are fed delusions and doled out bread to pacify them. Much like the old roman empire

[MementoMori777]

Yea and when they start drafting, how's that gonna work, you'll have a big part of the population trying to leave the country cause they classify as a woman

[Opinion Owner]

Drafting? Everything will soon be automated drones. Even now the entire US military in terms of jobs is basically logistics, behind every one us infantryman is about 50 non infantry support personnel.

[Opinion Owner]

... so if there ever was a draft women would be drafted too. Honestly gender status wouldn't get you out of the draft but obesity and diabetes would.

[MementoMori777]

My words stand, agree to disagree, I don't really have the interest or care for this country to discuss about this tbh

[Still-alive]

nope. unless they use nukes then we all die lol

[MementoMori777]

Lol fair enough

[andreasderjuengere]

Who cares 😒

The money bags have no nationality, nor loyalty

(except towards cash or currency of any kind)

[Berethor]

Yea, US gets overrun by migrants from the third world, China has more quality population.

[Reorx]

Perhaps if it doesn't innocculate itself for the subversion virus.. Democracy very prone to subversion.

[NathanDavis]

did we fall yet?

[MementoMori777]

Nope I'm sure you'll know when it happens, they still gotta brainwash our population a bit more, no lie china played us with that tiktok shit, ruined our country from the inside, well played

[NathanDavis]

now we should throw something at the British... to complete the cycle

[MementoMori777]

No that's our best hope rn no lie, good thing they don't got a biden lol

[CandyRat]

Yes, Xi owns Biden.

[MementoMori777]

Lol.

[CandyRat]

Loll

[belle_kai]

It's not going to happen

[Pterodon]

Under biden or any democrat yes

[In_Trance]

It will never change from what it is today

[Agape93]

Nope not likely

[Fuentes]

Lol no