What do you think of Joan of Arc?

[Alice18]

I am original French, and I am very interested in what people think about her in other countries, in particular in the USA.

[Cute_Miss_Laura]

Joan of Arc is a really fascinating historical figure, and a truly amazing woman. She was a French peasant girl who, at a young age, believed she was called by God to lead France to victory during the Hundred Years' War against England. Her courage and conviction were extraordinary, especially considering that era's limitations on what women were allowed to do. Despite her lack of any formal military training, she played a pivotal role in lifting the Siege of Orléans and boosting French morale. Sadly, she was captured, tried for heresy, and burned at the stake at just 19 years old. Joan's legacy is enduring; she is a symbol of women’s abilities and our strength and courage, and her patriotism should serve as an example for us all. Her story is a compelling mix of faith, politics, and the power of individual conviction. Also, her name, as well as the names of many other's should always be the answer to “but women can’t…” (whatever the rest of that sentence should be)! She is a true symbol of patriotism, heroism, faith, and even femininity! Women can lead entire armies into war, and we can give birth! (Without whining about it) compared to my father, my brother, and ALL THREE of the men I've had serious long-term relationships with, who all whined like little babies, whenever they get the flu!

[PavlovsCogk]

This article probably won't feel like too much for you to read considering how much love for reading you proclaimed, but I had to use text to speech since I lost my reading glasses and haven't yet made a whole screen fresnel lense for the device I'm using... and I don't want to grow myopic as reversing myopia again would take some effort.

hightimes.com/.../

The article, especially at around the middle where the personal opinion of the writer begins may form a new perspective for you... with access to college library you're likely more capable of verifying the truthfulness of Joan's indirectly admitted psychedelic use for the prophecies, at least for inducing the beginning of them.

[Cute_Miss_Laura]

@PavlovsCogk First, I would really appreciate it if you refrained from using sarcastic, or trite comments when we converse. My comments to you regarding your belief that something smaller than a magazine article was “too long” indicated that you were never instilled with a love of reading, that came from my heart! I do love reading, and I always think it's a tragedy, and doing the child a great disservice when parents and teachers don’t work extremely hard to find something the child WOULD actually LOVE reading!

As for the Hightimes article… First, Hightimes is not an unbiased source. The psychologist did make a very valid point that it’s unusual to see an organized patient who is hallucinating. However, why she would NOT consider the onset of schizophrenia, given Joan was right in the age range where we see schizophrenia begin to manifest its' earliest symptoms, which range begins at 13.78yrs - So COULD she have been in the earliest stages of schizophrenia, where she would still be greater than 90% functional? Yes! We also have to consider the time in which she lived. Joan was devoutly religious! I find it impossible to believe that someone's SO devout in her faith at THAT time would even ENTERTAIN becoming a witch, or partake in psychedelic drugs! Back then, psychedelic visions would've been thought of as demonic!

Lastly, there is an error in the article. Joan d'Arc was not burned at the stake for being a witch by the Catholic Church, and the French! She was captured in battle, and burned at the stake by the British (with whom she was at war.). When we subtract the falsity that she was killed for being a witch, any element of that hightimes’ biased claim that she was taking psychedelic drugs, without any evidence whatsoever, was doing the reader a disservice, and perpetuated journalistic malpractice! If it was written as mere speculation, fine. But there was nothing to indicate to the reader that this article was speculative.

I hope this helps
Laura.

[Donald_Tate]

Interesting reply to pavlov. Firstly pavlov didn't mean anything to be sarcastic in his reply. Without any lenses to change focal distance he is afraid of looking up close and needs text to speech for articles as such.

Yes I saw before that hightimes started off purely as weed sales hence the name. A couple sources I've seen stated that schizo on average shows up in mid 20s. But I won't argue over it. Also if you search about "Trial of Joan of Arc" all sources agree that she was captured by burgundians and sold around to be later prosecuted in France.

There is no difference between christian mysticism and traditional witchcraft except for terminology. Even that isn't different for those practicing "psalm magick". You previously repeatedly addressed my topics as "eastern mysticism" when all I mentioned is more commonly recognized as western esotericism. Which again proves, there's no difference in religions once you get to the esoteric core of it beyond the exoteric differences.

[IslaTheWitch]

nothing, it was an obligatory topic in the history lessons... easy to learn, even easier to forget

I never could understand her reasons... but I'm definitely a person who needs logical reasoning :D

[Knightwatch27]

She has an interesting story, though often exaggerated for political reasons, making her out to be a supreme warrior when in reality she probably only appeared on the field of battle for morale, which is actually something women have done for many centuries, the Saxon princess Aethelflaed in England for example also led her armies in battle by her presence and boost of confidence for the men. As a Christian, I don't know whether God truly spoke to her to intervene for the French against the English in the 100 years war. Could've been, could've not been. God uses whomever He wishes and has more often than not used the most unlikely people, often those shunned or underestimated by society as to showcase His power, that it doesn't depend on the person, but on the Lord who calls us. Her execution was a dreadful betrayal regardless though, even if the truth was that she either faked or falsely believed to have a divine mission, for her countrymen to turn around and stab her in the back is disgusting.

[RebelinSteel]

She was a very inspirational person, at the right place and the right time.

She was however manipulated, used or however you want to phrase it by both the French and English.

She was badly treated and the fact she dressed as a man was one of the key reasons she fell foul of her accusers.
her being sold by the Burgundians to the English was something that likely would not have happened if she had been a man.

She never actually fought in battle but was in battles as a sort of inspirational mascot.

Definitely a strong woman, who was badly treated, however the 100 years war was an exceptionally brutal time.

[Bricealan]

I watched a film about Joan of Arc, on Amazon, and I confess, I was damned near in tears at the end, as the the way she was treated and then for Christ Sake, was burned at the stake at the age of 19 years old!!! The world is still filled with Barbarians, only more so during the life of Joan of Arc.

If there is a Heaven, I hope to god (if there is one) that Joan of Arc is there.

[Bricealan]

@alice18 i forgot to add, that during one siege she led, she was terribly wounded, and was nearly killed, but that did no discourage her...

[AviatorTom]

Jean d'Arc was a young woman martyred for her beliefs and actions to make France free from England in the 100 Years War. For that, she is France's patron saint and a saint in the Catholic Church.

[handsomelad70]

Both far ahead of and a woman of her time, as she was an inspirational figure to the French for her for her battle roles, making her a powerful woman, but she was captured and sold to the English as likely no man would have been, and was probably manipulated due to her youth (she was about fourteen, I believe, when she was involved in this war, though I'd forgotten her cross-dressing. All in all, a good French role model, especially for women.

[purplepoppy]

Delusional nutjob and nothing more than a convenient mascot who was discarded once her usefulness ran out

[TommyMountainFigure]

We studied her in History Lessons at school. All I can remember though is she died in the 15th Century and was burned at the stake for her beliefs.

[Agape93]

She's a schizophrenic teenager who crossdressed, went to war and got tortured and killed. Sucks to be her, but I've no issues with her

[KostasKouvalis]

I'll be completely honest. I know of her. I know she's a saint and a martyr, but I don't even know what exactly she did.

[TheSpaceGnome]

I don't really spend any time thinking about civil history.

[caitycat21]

I think she’s pretty bad ass

[Miristheiss]

Horrific death.

[RavVid]

I don't believe the miracle part.

[leahzrc]

She died on my birthday so I specifically love her

[elaphe]

She is a Saint.

[Anonymous]

She was really corageous therefore hot

[whistlingwh0res]

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