Fully agreed. The most ridiculous thing to witness are liberal fanatics who act as if Trump will take away all their "rights", that we are entering "facist times" and it's so pathetic. The world didn't end when last Trump was elected and it won't now. Grow up. That side of the political isle is just full of children in arrested development. Abortion is not a right, and it's not facism to restrain those practices to extreme cases.
Because they are fucking murderers’ , they are selfish sick individuals that need mental therapy , I don’t grasp how someone could live their life knowing they killed an innocent baby , whether she was raped or not , she is still a murderer in my opinion , there are alternative ways she can take instead of killing a life , like adoption. Just goes to show how selfish people can be.
Exactly. Committing a second crime does not in any way mitigate the original crime - so murdering an unborn child because you were raped in its creation does not absolve you of the much worse crime of murder.
What I love the most about the outrage is that they have proven that abortion was and is used as a form of birth control. I've seen plenty of videos of women, talking about abstinence, getting their tubes tied, having IUDs put in. All forms of birth control. And because they think they can't use the primary one they really want access to, they are switching to other forms. And that's what conservatives have been saying for years. Abortion is not a form of birth control.
this is painful though if you think about how screwed up the environment is... no pun intended.
We've messed up the hormonal environment so that women get started younger.
We've postponed their time to mate and find mates and reproduce, often late into 20's+. This is social change.
We've programmed a generation to be sluts...
And we've messed with guys testosterone and social development to where there just aren't that many mature men, lots of boys.
So girls have a mess on their hands... the solution of which, was to be sluts... as trained by their mentors in media, like "Friends". No girls in the 90's binge watched bible programs and traditional values shows... don't exist.
So there will be a lot of crying, weeping and knashing of teeth.
It is not the "hormonal environment" that is the cause, although changes in that oocur at the end of this process:
Climate change causes a rise in environmental temperature, and it is a well-known fact that women menstruate earlier in warmer climates, earlier menstruation is causative of earlier sexual maturity, which in turn causes early sexual behavior, which causes pregnancy.
@msc545 interesting. so women way up Canada operate on different cycle than those in haiti? I hear we are all filled with plastic and excess estrogens... thus theory hormonal env different.
Trump has repeatedly said he won't touch abortion which is why it's a states rights issue now but liberal women have convinced themselves through their own delusions that Trump wants a national abortion ban
now that Trump is in office, they wanna finally practice abstinence which is good in the long run. no national abortion ban yet feminists be acting like there is one lmao
We should be so lucky as to have that happen. Abortion clinics are not much different than the concentration camps, except the people they kill are quite a bit younger generally.
If you want to have all the authority (men have zero rights when it comes to their children being aborted or not), you have to accept all the responsibility. That's how life works.
@MrOracle Responsibility should become before creation.
By time pregnant the choice is the womans. Even if she doesn't want a baby maybe she doesn't believe in abortion or is too scared.
Is it the risk she took? Yes. So the gut took risk of "18+ years" of responsibility? Many still weasle their way out. Earn under the table etc.
Maybe for more equal risk dna should be used to track and fine a mine for every abortion. If the risks are higher for both maybe talk about contraception will be taken more seriously.
I had a friend that I had to cut off. She kept having sex , getting knocked up, had no back bone, no ring on her finger, no boundaries and has had like 5 abortions. Then swears guys aren't shit like where is the accountability on the ladies part? They never want to be accountable for being weak and airheaded
However where are guys responsibilities? Because they don't have to suffer the abortion so put pressure on women to have sex raw? Yes responsibility goes both ways. But currently is only on the woman. Maybe dna testing should be done on the aborted Fetus and the man charged for it. Even if he's not found until years later.
She can close her legs. And he can keep it in his trousers.
@Crimsyjo I'm all for that. But then men should also have a say in whether or not the child is aborted, and also shouldn't have to pay 18 years in child support.
Yours truly--a guy who was pressured into raw sex with someone who ended up being a cheater
The problem is if you g8ve a man the right to force an abortion or get "out of" paying for a ch8ld he created... where is the incentive for him not to risk sex raw?
We all know that having sex without a condom is the best. So doing with is like suck a pain. And guys in particular when the sex hormones are high are gonna just rip it off or tell the woman it's fine. If he ALSO knows he won't be accountble for pregnancy his desire to go raw will increase even more!! It's a get out of jail free card. That why I say if he pays the price either way - just like the woman does (to abort or keep is a price both ways) that is equal risk.
I get that the issue then becomes about women whi deliberately want to trick men because of wanting to keep a baby. Again.. the clause i speak of will spark more questioning on the man's part (because at the moment only about 2% of guys I sleep with even ask about pregnancy risk and maybe 5% about contraception period) and if he gets it in text or writing that she doesn't want a baby or says she's on contraception when she isn't THEN the law could also provide an annulment to the man of any financial or moral responsibility.
Exactly. But it's just the same with women. They literally have abortions to "get out of" childbirth.
. . ./BAD/ guys "are just gonna rip it off or tell the woman it's fine." I would hope at least that the majority of guys would show a little more respect, even just selfishly since they want to keep getting laid. Maybe I'm naive, though. Paying a price either way I support 🤷♂️ Choices have consequences.
Not just wanting to keep the baby, but wanting 18 years of cash flow from the guy. Also @your experiences, guys who have casual sex outside of a relationship are just going to be less caring, so adjust for that and please don't judge guys to wait for relationships based on guys that don't. The law /could/ provide an annulment, but most likely wouldn't. The law almost always sides with women.
I think abortion is a big failure of society. Putting a child in an orphanage is an option, adopting at birth is popular, and fun fact: abortions can actually cause as much or more trauma as childbirth.
Also take everything I say with a grain of salt, I haven't slept in the last two days because of work/travel 😂
I get what your saying. And it is different for different contexts so if there was going to be changes to laws there would need to be a lot of discussions.
It must be rare for relationship men to get their girlfriend/wife/partner pregnant and her not want to keep it? Surely. That's why mainly we talk about women getting pregnant and the man not wanting it? Because it's usually in a casual or non committed setting? Well. I guess the man might have said they were girlfriend and boyfriend up until she gets pregnant? But then why is he not responsible to "pay" for the child? There's so many contexts lol. Should we bring back no sex before marriage? And then children born on marriage IS the legal responsibility of both parents no matter what? But then who is more responsible the woman or the man? If conception happens out of wedlock? We are back to consent and responsibility again and how to make both people accept responsibility?
I disagree that having a baby neither parent wants is good. I disagree putting them in orphanages is a solution (poor children). It's ok if we disagree on this. Its hard to think of a solution that doesn't cause a victim or loss of liberation or joy somewhere along the line...
@Crimsyjo be accountable!! A man cannot have sex with you without your permission unless it's rape. She was not raped. So that's her responsibility to take birth control and tell him to wrap it up or no sex.
@Crimsyjo what is he supposed to be accountable for? Other than than wearing protection? She chose to have unprotected sex, she chose to have sex, she chose not to use birth control. How is he supposed to know or even be in control of her not taking birth control?
And he not only chose to have sex abd chose to have unprotected sex but by your own post say she struggles to say no and stick to boundaries so he persuaded her knowing she would give in. And did he ask about birth control? Did he show he cared? Did he ask for proof? Did or would - if she said she wasn't on birth control - he refuse sex with her? No of course not. He would think fuck it. Fuck her. Her problem. And yes it is her problem. But why does he get to be a bastard with zero accountability at all?
I'm accountable for my actions. I don't have to be for anyone else's. Getting an abortion is her being accountable. Still don't see where he said no to the risk?
Why you telling me too? I'm not your friend. I am perfectly happy spreading my legs and getting it raw. And I never got pregs easy but if I did I've no issue aborting. So I know for fact the silly men take risks and don't ask me or suggest wrapping it. So if I wanted to I could choose to make them accountable. But I AM accountable for my part in my choice and won't put it on them.
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