Should I become a MGTOW monk at my age ( 20 years old ) ?

[Anonymous]

Yes

No

[englisc]

No. You said this in another comment:

"I am doing that to protect myself from false rape allegations , allimony , unfair divorces and lost years of my life."

Becoming a "monk" because of false rape accusations is dumb. Those are rare. No, I'm not making the feminist argument that they aren't an issue or that they're so ridiculously rare, but they don't happen as much as MGTOW say they do.

You understand the idea behind rape culture right? The idea that we live in a culture that doesn't really punish rape, that victims get blamed etc. The feminists who push the rape culture myth tend to repeat the same statistics, usually the 1 in 4 or 1 in 5 statistic, which are proven to be false. It's nowhere near that high. They push these statistics to make women paranoid.

If a woman were to say to you that she avoids all men because she doesn't want to be raped, you'd call her a nutcase right? Well, MGTOW do the same thing here. It's ridiculous.

The way to avoid false rape accusations is simple:
1) don't date crazy women, look for red flags, don't tolerate any bullshit
2) don't have sex with drunk women
3) don't have sex with partnered/married women

These are the people who usually make false accusations. Crazy women make them because they're crazy. Drunk and partnered women make them because they regret the sex, and in married women especially to hide their cheating.

As for the rest, marriage, divorce, alimony etc. This I can't understand. Nobody can force you to marry a woman. You can have a relationship without marriage. You can also look for the red flags which might tell you that she's the type who'd try to fuck you over.

So no, don't be dumb. Also I have to ask whether you genuinely want to become a "MGTOW monk" for those reasons, or is it just because you can't get laid and this is a convenient excuse to pretend that you're avoiding women purposely? Rather than that you can't get them? In either cases you're going to be miserable, but in that case you're going to be even more miserable.

Instead you could learn how to get women and how not to be the kind of pussy who'd get played by them. That's what I'd suggest.

[betaTester]

You'd probably want to be a part of something that actually has a coherent set of principles. It's very easy for incels and various type of deranged people to upgrade their membership from part time into full time MGTOW because MGTOW literally will accept anyone who has some complaint about women.
I'm not saying you're one of them and I don't doubt there are self proclaimed monks in the MGTOW club but these wannabe monks probably have not heard of the existence of actual monks and their teachings. Hey, there's an idea, how about being an actual monk and study Buddhism philosophy instead? I hope that's not too highbrow.

[Asker]

Thinking of going in a monastery in real life. But later in life though.

[Pamina]

Why is it that we regularly see guys asking on here if they should join MGTOW? Isn't it ironic that you guys, who are supposedly all about "going your own way" always asking for validation from others? Wanna go your own way? Then go your own way already, for crying out loud.

The answer will always be - YES. Leave us women the fuck alone, at last.

[Asker]

Thank you for your opinion.

[Pamina]

You're welcome. Enjoy your own way.

[Asker]

I most definitely will.

[Pamina]

Good for you, even better for womankind. :)

[bubble_yume]

If you are doing for spiritual reason then yes go ahead. You're still young think it through...

[Asker]

I am doing that to protect myself from false rape allegations , allimony , unfair divorces and lost years of my life.

[Obtuse]

What do these MGTOW types accomplish? The radio host who equates women to urinals for sperm deposits? I mean you don't have to desperate for girls, it's dumb and pathetic to be desperate for girls. But you don't have to go all weird now. What about just hang out, have some fun, date if you're getting super friendly and flirty with a good one? I mean how does your morality work? Cause if every guy is MGTOW, and every girl is feminist, it probably means doom of the human species.

[Obtuse]

Or even putting aside values, just purely hedonistic -- it's more fun at least in my opinion if you can talk to and connect to the girl deeply.

[Obtuse]

Society has obviously changed but you take great men in history -- name *any* -- and chances are that they have good women by their side. They took care of them in a manly way, the woman took care in a womanly way, good stuff. So I just don't understand the rationale for going full-blown "fuck these women!" way if there's any degree of skepticism and critical thought here.

[Asker]

This will never be the case about the extinction and staff. I do not have problem hanging out with some girls. But never date , habe sexual relationships or marry a girl. Things can ger awful the moment you come too close with a woman. False rape allegations , rejections , cheating , divorces , allimony.

[Asker]

Society have changed massively since these great men were sround.

[Obtuse]

It's a rebellion against the system then? Well, why not work this shit out together then? Some girls might even agree. I mean it's past the point where women can't vote on things. You guys aren't gonna split the population in half realistically, ever, if you don't mind me saying. And the more you succeed in doing that, I would be willing to bet the world will suck more in some ways -- not necessarily the obvious.

[Obtuse]

I mean at least you guys gotta get some weapons or something. Turn into a militia. Overthrow the state. As ridiculous as that sounds I still find it less than MGTOW thinking long-term.

[Asker]

Most women are favoured by the status quo and most nen are indifferent. I do not see that going anywhere , no matter the effort. Plus we do not care about politics. Just to be safe and happy.

[Obtuse]

But you guys care about the inequalities of the system, no? That's politics. If you say, "whatever", fuck off with this shite, you need to at least be armed and form your own. You don't get anywhere with just "whatever, go my own way, don't give a damn". You need a goal, a practical plan, or else nothing is gonna get done... cause you're against people who actually do that shit.

[Asker]

No we do not care. We want to be left alone. I am thing of going in a real monadtery as well.

[Obtuse]

You can't really do that. It might be a fucked up in society. Guys can't be left alone to fish the lakes, or hunt the woods. The state controls so much -- and they keep controlling more. "Fuck off and I don't care don't work anymore" -- you can try to mind your own business and people will still shove their noses in it.

[Asker]

If we cut off dealing with women none will shove their noees in our business

[Obtuse]

I don't think that's a practical expectation long-term -- as long as there is the state. The people who do care will vote and vote and usurp and usurp your freedoms -- more easily so now that you've opted out.

[Obtuse]

You know, especially when younger, if you make "whatever" your entire philosophy you get a "whatever" result... and it could be horrible.

[Asker]

Ok. Let me live my life as I want.

[Obtuse]

Just from my standpoint, my values, this MGTOW shit looks to me like guys tucking tails between their legs and fleeing from a battle they're losing. And so they concede and try to boost up their ego by conflating it with independence. Except they won't have much left if they keep dodging this shit. Cowards in my view. I don't think you are. You're young and trying to form values. You don't have to be coward.

[Obtuse]

I will, happily. I just have a problem with the MGTOW label. I think it should be called "Girly guys who concede to feminists". GGTF.

[Obtuse]

GGWCTF? My bad. Let's come up with a better one. Just girly cowardly guys. GCG.

[Asker]

You start calling names out of nowhere and then you are wondering why MGTOW do that as well. And call us angry and stuff. Why does the fact we leave society and relationships norms bother you? We do not bother anyone , at least most of us. You say we should fight the good cause against an oppressive system. I will agree with that. Why you and other men and women come join us... Oh yes because women want feminism to have priviliges and you do not fight with us to be liked by women... But then we are the cowards.

[Obtuse]

I just enjoy doing it. :-D I'm not such a fan of separatist movements. It's fun to throw a few jabs sometimes, no? You can do back at me. I just sometimes get the impression from certain MGTOW types that they equate manliness to independence on its own. And that conflicts with my values at least. To me, the point of a man being independent is so that he can lead and protect those who follow. I can't see a sustainable future and society from one where lots of men just bugger off.

[Dchrls78104]

A word of caution: if you want protection from the world and its meanness, make sure you don't join a cult; cults give no protection but are simply a means of exchanging one cruel master for another.

[Gatman34]

Yes but not the kind that complain about women be the kind that focuses on themselves and tries to Better themselves

[Asker]

Why would I conplain about women? They do they.

[Gatman34]

Just self proclaimed MGTOW do. Just foxy on yourself an quit giving women validation and stay on your purpose

[Meatunnel69]

MGTOW monk sounds good

[betaTester]

Someone needs to remake that image to include less
- Diversity students photo, taken from brochure of some community college
- Men who have no idea what MGTOW is
- Fictional characters
- Fantasy image of youtubers, self help gurus who believe they have above average IQ

And include more
- photos of what actual MGTOWers look like and their best accomplishments in life!

Also MGTOW should be more coherent about which man (who doesn't care about MGTOW) is one of them:
www.reddit.com/.../
www.facebook.com/.../

[Shamalien]

save yourself the bullshit and forge a fine life for your future, you can worry about the fking mess that is gender relations once you have a solid bassline of what life is without that nonsense

[Asker]

I will. That is why I am at college. That is why I try to be on the top of my class.

[Shamalien]

What r u taking? College is a big scam

[Anonymous]

It would be funny if you showed a picture and you are handsome.

The women badmouthing you would be telling you, kindly, to reconsider.

BUT, they assume you're ugly and thus hate you on principle.

That is how women are.

[Drumlin2001]

If thats your life choice.
But you can do anything with life you want

[NorthwestRider]

Why you want to become one of them lol

[Asker]

It is the path of me. A path of tranquility, solidarity and betterment.

[NorthwestRider]

You know that the MGTOW gets a bad rap because a lot of them are nuts

[Asker]

I do. I am not nuts. I just believe it is a good way to protect myself.