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Man Starts earning a decent wage
“I can support my family now“
Woman starts earning a decent wage “I don’t need a man”
if you take a look at most caregivers- its usually all female. Women are more likely to take care of their elderly parents, children. Men barely check up on their parents.
Then why do they destroy homes with divorce
So a women’s happiness matters more than her family
What do you think the men are happy coming home to someone they used to have sex with so she can give him shit to do as soon as he comes through the door
So you agree with me
So women’s happiness is more important than her family
You definitely agree with me because the men are unhappy too yet men initiate divorce significantly less
@Haha456
That is very self-centered of women to act only in accordance of their own happiness not their responsibilities, as is expected of their husbands.
To instead expect anther person to "Make" her happy is even more selfish and naive. If a woman wants to behave like a child should they not be treated as such?
@monorprise exactly!
Marriage or not if you look for others to make you happy you will always be disappointed
It’s for the good of the family it’s not about her happiness or mine kids have the best chance coming from a two parent household
If women weren’t so we nowadays for better or worse would still be in wedding vows
Weak
@Haha456 She isn't married if she only in the relationship to be happy. She is just a friend with benefit and is entitle to no more commitment from the man who is certantly not happy to slave for her and hier kids at work all day.
A real marriage is not about being happy, a real marriage is about security of said children and for that reason it does not require either party to be happy.
@monorprise @PainusNdeeAnus
Exactly! YOUR mentality of how a woman should give up her happiness for her family is EXACTLY the reason why women are unhappy with marriage.
instead of making someone toture herself being unhappy. why not have the husband look for ways to make his wife happier?
you don't think the husband should ever try to make his wife happy?
women need to work jobs, run home to do vast majority of the housework, parenting. she is the official parent of the house, official maid, official teacher, official chef, also working a full time job at the same time. maybe this is the reason why she is unhappy.
You still haven’t answered my question do you think the men are happy?
@PainusNdeeAnus
men are happier. statistics show that married men live longer than single men. but married women do not live longer than single women. Marriage does not benefit women, this is why women are unhappy and divorce.
if women were happy, they wouldn't be divorcing right?
women lose in marriage. men have everything to gain in marriage.
Then why are men happier after women file divorce and two thirds of divorced men remarry compared to only have half of divorced women and happiness overall is higher in married people than unmarried
And by the way if you’re happiness is that important to you then you don’t deserve a family or a relationship make yourself happy so when you fail to do so you can only blame yourself
No we remarry because we can still start a new family well into our 40s nobody wants a single mom with kids from a previous marriage
Studies also show that these happier single women are the biggest consumers of antidepressants and alcohol
Anyone who puts their own happiness over their family doesn’t deserve a loving marriage
@PainusNdeeAnus
Heterosexual single women were found by a new report to be happier than heterosexual single men and were less likely to venture out to find a relationship even while single (Mintel, 2017).
medium.com/.../single-women-are-happier-than-society-thinks-they-are-according-to-research-eab025da34c1
However, experts say that single women are happier than married women. Psychology Today quoted expert Paul Dolan, Professor of behavioural science at the London School of Economics, as saying that single women with no children are the happiest. Aug 24, 2022
www.news18.com/.../...happier-and-why-5814781.html
Well at a certain age women hit the wall and become much less attractive they have no choice but to be single they can’t remarry
Congratulations single women are happy but overall married couples are happier than singles im so happy that these women are breeding themselves out of the gene pool
Because here is the thing men get what we want regardless at 40 you could die if you try to give birth at 40 a man can start a new family stop generalizing women many women love to serve their families and submit to their husbands if you don’t we will find one who will lmao have fun dying alone with your cats and dogs
[Well at a certain age women hit the wall and become much less attractive they have no choice but to be single they can’t remarry]
what makes you think you don't hit the wall too? I'm not attracted to balding, wrinkly, fat old men with a bad knee. I like my men young strong and fast. Not some old fat uncle.
[Because here is the thing men get what we want regardless at 40 you could die if you try to give birth at 40 a man can start a new family stop generalizing women many women love to serve their families and submit to their husbands if you don’t we will find one who will lmao have fun dying alone with your cats and dogs]
single women start families without a husband. Single men can't start families until they find a wife. Many men who want kids cannot have any until the day they die because they could never find a wife.
its better to have kids early in life rather than to wait till the day you die with no kids.
Thank you for proving my point
You just admitted defeat by proving my original point which is that men are more family oriented
I wasn’t just asking random questions for no reason
Do you know what life is about?
Why do women take priority over everyone else?
Maybe men would respect you if you weren’t so entitled grow up please
@PainusNdeeAnus
women aren't a priority over anyone else. the fact that you think it is morally correct for women to suffer shows that women are not a priority- which is why all of them are divorcing you.
continue your attitude towards women, i can guarantee your future wife will divorce you too.
No because her head won’t be filled with feminist bullshit she’ll greet everyday with a blowjob a sandwich and a hot shower
Does the idea of a submissive woman really scare you this much lol
@Haha456 A woman has to run a household whether or not she shares it with anyone. Her happiness however is her own responsibility if she was in fact an adult she would know this.
Expecting a man to somehow control her emotions for her and do everything for her she thinks necessary for that task. Is just trying to enslave the man to said task.
A task which could very well be impossible, for as much as most everyone wants to think their happiness depends upon goods and services it really depends upon your own chosen attitude.
@monorprise no women of today bought into this Disney fantasy of happy ever after marriage is just love and romance
@Haha456 Any woman who throws away the man supporting her will soon learn her lesson when she forces herself to do everything by herself. Child care and the house work may seem difficult by itself just imagine how much harder it is on top of a full time job.
Being a single mother by choice is perhaps the most foolish choice any woman can make. Any woman who does soo choose to put her children and herself in that position deserve no help from anyone else. As she has already choose to discard away that help which has been offered.
If she should fail to do it all she should likewise lose the children to someone who can.
Regardless she like a indignant brat can tell herself she is "liberated" as she works 2 full time jobs just to keep her children and herself afloat.
@monorprise well said
@monorprise
Most mothers are UNHAPPY with marriage because they HAVE TO WORK FULL TIME JOBS, be the CHEF of the house, the MAID of the house, the OFFICIAL PARENT of the house.
she is doing almost all the housework YET still working a full time job.
Her life is going to be the same or even BETTER if she divorces him.
She will still be working a full time job. She will still be a chef, maid, official parent of the house. But as a divorcee, she gets an additional part of her husband's assets.
women are happier being divorced. hence the reason why they divorce so much
So much negativity lmaoo you are just a deeply sad human being
Yep I hate women who don’t know their place because they are worthless to real men like me
Yes! ENSLAVE ALL WOMEN! MUWAAHAHAHAHA!
Of course they will women are weak and I can easily beat and enslave them I’ll ever hear of trafficking MUWAHAHAHAAHA
@Haha456 said: "She will still be working a full time job. She will still be a chef, maid, official parent of the house. But as a divorcee, she gets an additional part of her husband's assets. "
A divorced woman gets less from her husband than what he had already provided. If she had chooses to initiate the divorce by all rights she is entitled to nothing at all.
For she has striped him of his security as well as his children for her own selfish reason. That you think the divorce would enable her to get more out of the Man is the attitude of an abusive woman. To whatever degree that is true it reflect a state in which no man should ever agree to be married.
@Haha456 Any man with a pay check and time can help support a family. That you might judge his efforts inadequacy and demean him for his contribution does not mean said support didn't exist.
That you may declare his style of parenting unfit for your child is only a demonstration of your own inflexibility and intolerance which frankly suggest you are the only real abuser.
An adult would would recognize the good in everyone's opinion and effort particular the ones they had previous pledged to love, honor, and respect. If you can't do that your clearly not an adult in said relationship.
@monorprise
[A divorced woman gets less from her husband than what he had already provided. If she had chooses to initiate the divorce by all rights she is entitled to nothing at all.]
she gets more. She gets alimony, gets to work on her career, additional assets from her husband. It doesn't matter if she is married or if she is divorced because she would be doing the same amount of workload.
[For she has striped him of his security as well as his children for her own selfish reason. That you think the divorce would enable her to get more out of the Man is the attitude of an abusive woman. To whatever degree that is true it reflect a state in which no man should ever agree to be married.]
I think women are the ones being abused by the men. This is why women are initiative divorces like never before. Because men only like to think about what they receive rather than what they can give.
if your own needs come above hers, she will be divorcing you.
@monorprise
[Any man with a pay check and time can help support a family. That you might judge his efforts inadequacy and demean him for his contribution does not mean said support didn't exist.]
thats what you say if you clearly don't care about the welfare of your wife and kids. would you starve your children or not give them the education they need, just so that be the provider for the family? if this is the way you think, I have no doubt why your wife would want to divorce you. You're an inconsiderate husband and father. We don't live in an age where men can support their families anymore.
[That you may declare his style of parenting unfit for your child is only a demonstration of your own inflexibility and intolerance which frankly suggest you are the only real abuser.]
men aren't parents. It is WOMEN who are the parents , chefs, maids, working full time jobs in the house. She DOES EVERYTHING. This is why women aren't happy. All you need to do is work your 9-5 then come home for her to cook dinner, do all the housework, teach the children. You have a free maid, free chef, free nanny at home. what more could you want?
@monorprise
[An adult would would recognize the good in everyone's opinion and effort particular the ones they had previous pledged to love, honor, and respect. If you can't do that your clearly not an adult in said relationship.]
where is your honor and respect if you think that women shouldn't deserve to happy in marriage? what kind of man who respects and honors his wife would say something like that?
@Haha456 said: "she gets more. She gets alimony, gets to work on her career, additional assets from her husband. It doesn't matter if she is married or if she is divorced because she would be doing the same amount of workload. "
If what you say is true then no man should ever enter a marriage with any woman as it is a contract of slavery for the man with no security benefit.
@Haha456 said: "I think women are the ones being abused by the men. This is why women are initiative divorces like never before. Because men only like to think about what they receive rather than what they can give. "
If she is getting a free ride to spend time with her babies and focus on just house work, then she isn't being abused.
If what you say is right about what the woman gets from divorce you have a solid reason for a woman initialize divorce and a man to refuse to ever marry her in the first place.
She is making off like a bandit at his expense. With a share of whatever he earns and his property. That is a slave contract.
Most women blindsite their husbands when they apply for divorce. Most of the time its because they don't feel like they are getting enough from him. It sounds like you have explained perfectly why they think they would get more with him simply functioning as a out of sight slave.
@Haha456
"where is your honor and respect if you think that women shouldn't deserve to happy in marriage? what kind of man who respects and honors his wife would say something like that? "
I said nobody deserves whatever makes them happy. A husband is not a slave anymore than a wife. Neither husband or wife are capable of making anyone happy even if they wanted to, as happiness comes from within not without.
To love someone is to be committed to their well-being not nessarly their happiness. To respect someone is to see value in their point of view. To honor someone is to not tear them down or belittle them.
@Haha456 said "thats what you say if you clearly don't care about the welfare of your wife and kids. would you starve your children or not give them the education they need, just so that be the provider for the family? "
No thats what you say when your actualy doing what you can to support them.
Its true thanks to education changes in the 90s, designed to "Close the gab with girls" men raised thereafter are at an enormous disadvantage relive to women now making only a small minority of those getting good jobs.
Demanding such men somehow pay for arbitrary standards of food, shelter and educational support is very unfair.
If you want more out of a man you have to see to it that the boys are properly educated as to have some chance of providing that.
Otherwise the current generation of women raised after the 90's are kind of screwed doing everything. Thanks to the prior generation of educators who changed the education practices for both men and women to better appeal to them at the expense of the boys.
@monorprise
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If she is getting a free ride to spend time with her babies and focus on just house work, then she isn't being abused.
If what you say is right about what the woman gets from divorce you have a solid reason for a woman initialize divorce and a man to refuse to ever marry her in the first place.]
VAST MAJORITY OF MOTHERS WORK IN THIS COUNTRY.
@monorprise
[To love someone is to be committed to their well-being not nessarly their happiness. To respect someone is to see value in their point of view. To honor someone is to not tear them down or belittle them.]
how do you love someone when you don't even care to make them happy when you know they are miserable?
@monorprise
The reason why women are DIVORCING YOU is because: women take on too much of a workload / responsibility. There is no balance in the marraige. You can't have 1 parent doing 90% of the work while the other does 10%. You can't expect a woman to work a 8-9 hour shift, then run home to continue doing 90% of the housework, child rearing duties, errands.
And if you like to claim that it is not a man's responsibility to make a woman happy, then she has the right to divorce you all she want.
if you're gonna shove her happiness under the bus, she can very well also shove your happiness under the bus too.
there is no room for sexism here.
You want the woman to stay home, do the dishes, do the laundry for you, be your maid, be your free nanny, wash your underwear,
then why can't you buy her a nice car, give her thousands of dollars to get her hair and nails done, buy her the fancy clothes she always wanted, pay for her spa visits?
Enslave all women muwahahaha they’re only good for sex
@Haha456
It is unfortunate that the enormous amounts of consistent inflationary spending/investing by the Federal goverment, Both via congress and its creation the "Federal reserve", has created a consistent inflationary environment.
A rate of inflation which has in the 100 years since its creation in 1913 reduced the value of the dollar by 99%. This of course stands in stark contrast with the prior 100 years in which the dollar was mostly managed by congress and backed by gold in which the same dollar doubled in value.
Combined this inflationary cost with our federal and State politician's insatiable desire to control everything and the cost of living in this country has gone thou the roof.
This could not be more clearly illustrated then what happened when the Federal Goverment effectively ran out of our gold reserves in 1971 forcing them to abandon the standard all together which until then financed this.
Since then the average cost of housing per average income has gone up 2-3 fold, along with countless other items around the cost of living. The American woman was FORCED to join the work force during this time because it became impractical for most Americans to earn enough with just the father working to pay for everything demanded of us by our politicians.
@Haha456 "how do you love someone when you don't even care to make them happy when you know they are miserable? "
You presuppose both other people are capable of making you happy (in most cases they are not) or that the cost of you're alleged requirements for happiness is nessarly a more justifiable allocation of time and money than other concerns needed for both your well-beings.
Given the fact that baring you have some illness, have acquitted necessitates for life and are an adult you are capable of being happy regardless of any other circumstances. Thus your request to be "made happy" is really a request to be spoiled and indulged at the expense of other concerns as a child would in demanding attention.
If your husband did indeed love you and was wise he would tend to those concerns most important to both of your basic needs and health NOT wast such time and resources on that which you DO NOT need. That is loving you just as it is loving a child. The difference is as an adult you SHOULD know that.
@monorprise
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If your husband did indeed love you and was wise he would tend to those concerns most important to both of your basic needs and health NOT wast such time and resources on that which you DO NOT need. That is loving you just as it is loving a child. The difference is as an adult you SHOULD know that.]
you say that she does not need anything from her husband?
she is the one working 22 hour days: working a full time job then later on running home to clean your underwear, cook your lunch box , wash your dishes so you don't have to do it. She is the one taking days off work from her career whenever the kid gets sick. She was the one who had to give up her career / promotions for a few years when the kids were young. She is the reason why you can afford to work overtime because you have a FREE MAID, FREE CHEF, FREE NANNY at home.
Considering the fact that she does so much more than you. You certainly CAN HELP to make her life easier.
And no, the relationship between a husband and wife is NOT THE SAME as parent and child.
A grown man is NOT THE SAME as a helpless child who cannot take care of himself or help his mother. If you are a grown man, you can definitely take care of your wife.
@monorprise
if women are divorcing you, its likely not her that is the problem.
Its like men that are the problem.
because if your wife was happy, she wouldn't be divorcing you.
women have the right to divorce whenever she wants. Entitled men like you think you deserve a wife even when you treat her like shit.
@Haha456 what about married childless women? Are they happier and live longer lives too?
Harris/AP-NORC poll: Women feel they face disproportionate burden in household labor
news.uchicago.edu/.../how-much-does-raising-child-impact-your-career-men-and-women-disagree-answer
Women 'less likely to progress at work' than their male counterparts following childbirth
phys.org/.../...-male-counterparts-childbirth.html
Women much more likely than men to give up paid work or cut hours after childbirth even when they earn more
ifs.org.uk/.../women-much-more-likely-men-give-paid-work-or-cut-hours-after-childbirth-even-when-they-earn
In a 2013 survey, we found that mothers were much more likely than fathers to report experiencing significant career interruptions in order to attend to their families’ needs. While women represent nearly half of the U. S. workforce, they still devote more time than men on average to housework and child care and fewer hours to paid work, although the gap has narrowed significantly over time.
www.pewresearch.org/.../
Louis Fed plotted the income of workers with at least a high school diploma by age, gender and marital status and found that the wages of married men are higher than those of single men, married women and single women, and that's true at every age from 20 to 64.
www.cnbc.com/.../...-everyone-else-in-america.html
A Swiss study found that men who got married were paid 2.6% to 3.5% more, compared to men who stayed single. Research has shown that married men receive more invitations for job interviews and higher salary offers than single men with identical resumes.
www.psychologytoday.com/.../married-men-paid-more-than-single-men-get-more-interviews
Married men live longer; married women, not so much: Study
www.healthing.ca/.../married-men-live-longer-married-women-not-so-much-study
Well that sucks, any way I can help?
@Haha456 A man works to pay for his house and their food, and clothing. If he contributes less to the work of the house in favor the work that brings the money to pay for the house that is simply a trade off to let a woman do that work which is more important to her.
Loving someone is taking care of their needs.
@Haha456 said: "because if your wife was happy, she wouldn't be divorcing you. "
Thats what the psychopath said about the person they killed. If only that person had made them happy they would not have done it. Why would you would make such an assumption and argument and not recognize its insanity?
@monorprise
after all those articles, its pretty obvious that men gain from marriage while women lose in marriage. hence the reason why so many women are initiative divorces.
you be a chauvinist and claim that it is not your responsibility to make your wife happy but at the end of the day she gets the last laugh when she walks away with half your assets and your kids.
That didn’t even make sense
“men gain from marriage while women lose in marriage. hence the reason why so many women are initiative divorces. “
Women start nesting when they find a man they love and want to have kids with.
You didn’t answer the question
Women.
How?
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Having worked in schools for 12 years, I can say that MEN are more family oriented and care more for their kids. Many women are resentful of their kids and don't spend much time with them, plus they often intentionally harm their own kids just to make their ex suffer and to get more money.
It really depends on the individuals... but there sure is a lot of men being removed from family units or displaced in importance, ranking even below the family pets. 😂 A lot of single mothers with multiple kids by different fathers, expect a man to step into that... just because she thinks she looks good still.
But as a whole who would you say?
I voted men. We seem to be the only ones that complain about the damage being done to families... while what women as a whole, seem to only complain why single men that have worked on their career, their education, and money in general... along with abs and muscles, don't really want an aging 30-40 year old woman with multiple kids by other men as their insta-family where he will be valued as less than the family dog and probably divorce raped for money.
According to google right now... only 50% of marriages end in divorce. 70% is initiated by women. Looks like great odds for a successful man with gym time<--note my cynicism mixed with sarcasm. I wonder how many men that win the lottery of a marriage that doesn't end in divorce are actually fucking happy or just dealing with it in order to avoid the divorce rape of her and the courts stacked against them?
...🤔 hmmm. I wonder.
I don't think Haha456 would have enjoyed my input 😂
Dude she has serious penis envy and no pride in her womanhood at all
It was a PainusNdeeAnus to read her responses. 😂 She seemed intent on just out-talking and overtalking any point that was made.
LMFAOAOAOAO
Each in their own way are equally family oriented. Men by being willing to be the defender and working hard to be the provider. Women by being there and interacting dozens of times every day.
Men and women are not equals
People are individuals. I've seen both be super committed and both not GAF.
Okay. Men or women?
I think women are more family oriented because in my experience especially young guys rather idolize independency and are more career focused.
Why are the more career focused?
Power and self improvement for?
Because…?
Both are equally capable of being family-oriented (or not!)
Men and women are not equal
Unlikely, men have to work outside of the home to provide this nessarly means we can't be as involved as the woman
@monorprise But not all moms stay at home with the kids either. The father can be just as involved as the mother. Hell, they can even be more involved. What about the stay at home dads? They may not be as common as stay at home moms but they still exist. And I'm not saying one sex is more family oriented because it's unfair to generalize the 2 sexes. I'm just saying both are just as capable of being family oriented, because there are some amazing fathers out there and shitty mothers and vice versa
Women initiate 70 percent of divorce not very family oriented
@PainusNdeeAnus Women go into marriages with absurdly unrealistic execrates which often drive them out when the man usually fails to meet them. This is not helped by a toxic culture that has redefined marriage to be about mutual pleasure rather than the security of family.
@CateM in any given population you can find a lot of things that doesn't mean it is common or normal.
In most cases the woman is the caregiver because female hormones and brain wiring makes them more likely to focus upon people and their families.
This is a large part of the reason for the income gap between men and women, at least before they crippled the education of boys to give Women an enormous educational advantage.
Could be either. You can’t generalize. Some guys wanna start a family and so do some girls. Depends on where you are in life (like most people in college aren’t ready for that yet).
Where are you from?
Northeast US
But you just said you can’t generalize
You can’t generalize for all guys or all girls. Everyone’s different.
So I can beat on women and cheat on them and steal their money
Do you want that? Do you want to be cheated on beaten and robbed by your boyfriend?
I assure you most women don’t most people don’t but if you say you can’t generalize because everyone is different then morality goes out the window because there can be no right way to someone
Some girls want a family. Others don’t. The same girl can not want that but then want it later on. Like I’m in high school rn nowhere near ready for that but eventually like ten or fifteen years in the future I want to get married and have kids.
Why do you want those things?
If you are in HS then you are at least 15 you need to study biology more beyond 30 pregnancy becomes high risk for you geriatric pregnancy is about 20 to 30k a year
Even if you freeze your eggs your body can’t handle it a friend of mine lost his mother at birth because she waited too long to have children
Plenty of women in their thirties and even their forties have kids. In your twenties is too young.
In your 20s is the best time do you really want to pay extra 30k a year and risk your life trying to have a child?
I wanna wait till I’m at least 30. But not all girls feel that way,
Do you not realize that biology is not on your side?
30 is too long wait too long and you will die alone.
Women. Because of hormones and natural adjustment
Then why do they initiate 70 percent of divorce?
And they destroy families
It deponds. Is has mosty women.
I say women are more family oriented.
Why?
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