I would think it a little odd since both people would be in different life stages but they’re both still consenting adults. So no to the question and a gross comparison as someone with that proclivity is going for children. It is also not that drastic of an age gap. If she was 18-19 and he was 28 I would find that creepy as she is barely legal and he pushing 30, but in this scenario they’re both in their 20s
Yeah definitely seems weird like bit predatory. Not exactly pedo. People willing to date someone that young is delayed mentally/maturity wise and for the sake of the younger person it's not right to be with them since it'll cause trauma
"that young" is 21 even a kid? It's still legal and which is why the law is not even so concerned about that.
@Aiko_E_Lara just because something is legal doesn't mean it's okay to do
You still don't own the law however. Anyone can also say just because you think it should be illegal doesn't mean it should be illegal.
@Aiko_E_Lara I don't think it should be illegal. I think people should have better morals and values
Also just because you said so doesn't make it immoral. Since both are adults, they both decide for themselves. Their life their choice
@Aiko_E_Lara ofc it doesn't matter what anyone thinks but it is morally wrong considering the younger person is not fully developed mentally and physically yet.
If this was a question about a 31 and 38 year old it wouldn't be wrong since both of those aged people are developed
You're not the one who decides when someone is capable of deciding for their own. 18 is the age of consent for a reason and that's when they're given the choice to decide for their own. For you it's morally wrong but you can only speak for yourself. If the world has a problem, maybe you're the problem
You're an idiot.
@jeffend888 nah I'm just aware of how child development and puberty works. Many people are not. A 21 year old is not done developing yet
You're underestimating people who are 18+. It doesn't matter how old you are. Everybody has room for improvement at any age. It's very ironic when you yourself is such a "naturalist” which is why you have agenda such as nudism or how you argue breastfeeding in public is natural but what you don't like to consider is that biologically speaking during puberty, it is nature's way of saying they are ready to breed which is why incest is really common in nature and people started working at their teen years. The law just made the age of consent 18 because we just develop a new moral standard which changed our brain development. 18 is enough which is pretty understandable. How people like you like to underestimate younger people is what stunt their brain development and you are to be blamed.
@Aiko_E_Lara women are not ready to birth childern till they are 23+ after their 2nd puberty. I made this mistake having babies before that age but it's definitely not the right thing when it can cost a woman's life. A older educated person should know this is risky and not even attempt to have sex with women under 23. (Obviously I don't know if the couple in the question are having sex but just dating suggest that they might be.) Which is morally wrong to risk a young woman's life.
And yes ofc its only set at 18 since that is graduating age and people can be sent off to work so to the government say they are magically adults at 18
@jeffend888 I'm literally just saying facts here.
Not much else
That is only in today's standards. But biologically speaking, when they are on their periods, they can get pregnant and that is still when early people start breeding. Because if that is not really the case then why do you think there are teen pregnancies? Like what I said if you say it's morally wrong then speak for yourself. Your morality is still something that is subjective by the way.
And yes they are adults and it's not just the government that magically tells them that they are adults. It's natural as well. The school system and your kind of parenting is obsolete which underestimates kids and stunt their growths which would make it immoral. Perhaps in the future with technology and your kind of mindset, 30 is when people are going to be considered adults.
@Aiko_E_Lara periods are not a way of knowing when a girl can start giving birth to a healthy baby. Pregnancy is the top cause of death for women 20 and under because of how deadly it is to be pregnant that young. Biologically our pelvis bone is not set for birth till 23. Having babies before that can cause them to have developmental delays because of not having the room to grow or be birthed properly
I will have to include biological alteration into this. In today's world sure it's not a way of knowing when a girl can start giving birth into a healthy baby now because of our modern lifestyles and how we like to sit on our desks all day causing pelvic or other muscle weakness. What also you don't like to consider is that people's lifespan before was just lower in general and people die in the age of 30 we just why people start breeding at teen years. The fact that they are still able to get pregnant on their puberty says enough for human survival. But we're just not living in that era anymore.
@Aiko_E_Lara sure but back then most girls did not get their periods till 13+ but now a days it's much younger like I started going through puberty at 8. Obviously a 8 year old does not have the body to birth a baby. Anyone that thinks that is soo stupid. We have evolved to have periods earlier and earlier but our bodies are not evolving that fast to be able able to carry babies that young
Then we wouldn't really have survived it that's the case because the lifespan before was only as low as 30. Or last I check it was actually 20-25 in prehistoric times. So if you think it's stupid then how do you think we actually survived if people back then started their periods late that they don't have time to nurture and hunt their kids?
Also if you started your puberty at the age of 8, you are not the usual one meaning you are not the average. But I'm going with average here which is majority of the people
@Aiko_E_Lara I've always heard death was common at 30-40. 20 seems low. And girls back then started later because that was normal. Still takes years for a period to become regular
And I forgot to mention that even death when giving birth in prehistoric times is not even just a now thing. We just developed new medications to combat that one nowadays and our medications today are meant for adults to give birth not for children. It can still be possible if we develop medications for teens to give birth making it easier for them to birth but our morality just don't encourage that. Our birthing medications are made for adults that's why teens have a harder time.
www.google.com/search here you go
And because of that, they devoloped to have their puberties early. And that DNA is still in us
@Aiko_E_Lara the death for teen pregnancies is high even in places that don't have meds
Birthing death in general is high in places that don't have meds and they don't even have to be teenagers. Even back then. But here, take a look at the prehistoric puberty age. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/.../
But in places where medication exist, again those medications are only made for adults which is why.
@Apple1996 My dad at 27 married my mother when she was 18. He was not a predator nor a pedophile, they were married for 40 years.
@Bricealan Same goes with my grandma and my grandpa was her teacher. I've debunked her claims multiple times as she kept sharing wrong information to anyone specially when it's about men. Not surprising anymore. She lowkey hates the natural trait of a man while claiming she don't.
@Bricealan back then women had to marry young to be able to survive. That's not the case anymore
@Aiko_E_Lara you haven't debunked anything lol womens bones aren't developed for birth till after 23. Sometimes even later. You are failing to look into that. Clearly don't understand how womens bodies work
Then it's either you haven't clicked on the link I've sent to you after you claimed women's puberty only have gotten early now or you're just being comfortable with your own ignorance not learning anything new. I talked about body alterations, medications made for adult women mostly and how humans populated the world in the first place but you have no take on that. You just wanna repeat all those claims you said as if that will make you valid.
I mean the link claiming humans dying at the age of 20-25 and have their puberties at the age of 7-13 is not even just for women. So tell me how you think you're smarter than those researchers?
@Aiko_E_Lara puberty is about hormones
Bone structure has set ages. A girl can go through puberty and not have the proper body for birth till years later
@Aiko_E_Lara I've taken classes and been told by doctors this info. I don't personally think I'm smarter. a lot of research is outdated tho and written by men so that they can continue being predators
Then you should know better if you've taken classes yourself and are you sure your research is not outdated? I'm not only about informations, i apply logic with it. Because informations are just a bunch of words without logic. So if I ask you, how do you think did 1 year olds survive while their parents are dead in their 20s? Answer that first because i know if you can't and that's where your "Those writers are just men and they're predictor" conclusion comes from.
*predators
I can also just conclude you're just making that as an excuse to be Karen because you're salty that women don't remain fresh longer than men do.
@Aiko_E_Lara 1 year olds survived if their parents lived in a tribe type of environment and had others to help raise that baby. Preferably another woman that's also had kids and can breastfeed the baby.
@Aiko_E_Lara nah men are never fresh in my opinion
A small but big issue with that claim. "if their parents lived in a tribe type of environment" there's an "If" in there.
You're speaking about "tribes" but where do you think tribes come from? Do you think they just grow on trees that they suddenly become plenty like that to have their own child getting raised by other member? That's a later part of human society and yes that includes that strategy being a later strategy. I'm talking about the very first homosapiens where they live as small groups spreading around the world that we can just count at first glance since that's our origin and we're still homosapiens. Really tho, the world is a big place.
In your opinion because you're just salty.
@Aiko_E_Lara people have always raised their babies in a tribe/village environment until recently. It's a very unfortunate down fall in our society
@Aiko_E_Lara salty about what?
Letting another member raise a 1 year old was permitted knowing that child's birth is death risky as well. Even teens giving birth dying, they still let another woman raise it but still that's a later tribal strategy. The first tribe was the hunter gatherer sans that existed 20,000 years ago but the very first humans were millions of years older than that.
Men remaining fresh longer than women. That's why you hate that idea.
@Aiko_E_Lara yes it does very much depend on time frame and area to what would happen to the child. a lot of times they also just let the kids die. Didn't value life the same way we do now.
I don't personally think that. It's actually the opposite. Men past about 30 are just old and not worth it since they peak when they are 18 and then go down from there
And because of that, which is exactly why puberty hits at that age. And before leverage and tribalism exist, people had already been mating at the age of 7-13. And because people weren't so laid back before and not just sit on their desk all day, they do have the tendency to be stronger than humans today. So yes if they just let kids die, again in your claim, they start breeding at the age of 20+, and if all kids die because their parents are just going to die shortly after, wouldn't we all be just extinct if all their offspings just die with no one to take care of them? Remember I'm talking about the era where tribalism isn't a thing.
Which is why I said if you think that then chances are you're just salty of men aging like wine. I mean sure the average men don't have anything to provide anyways even in their youth but those who do still have value which is why it's not surprising to see younger women with older men. But you just assume it's manipulation because of your own agenda. You just cannot speak for yourself if you think older men are not valuable in relationships.
@Aiko_E_Lara well if you think older men age like wine you are free to date and get off to them but I personally just can't get into them. Only younger men can offer me things since they are still physically fit and attractive.
@Aiko_E_Lara younger women and older men are the unwanted/annoying people in our society so it's naturally they pair up together and let the rest of us live in peace
Okay then but how do you like it though if I make assumptions about you like how you make assumptions on older men dating younger women? I can already see how much you are trying to defend yourself. And you know they are still very common though despite how you think society hates them. But in the end people who think drama about it are just the loud minority. Karens like you. Most people would have advocate law for that but however, most just don't which is why the law don't really favor their wishes.
Along with the hate of white men dating Asian women, men being able to stand up while peeing, the wage gap, how shallow men are for having standards but women aren't, That's the same story. You sound more like a feminist than a traditional woman and action speaks louder than words
@Aiko_E_Lara I've already said this has nothing to do with the law but morals. And sure I'm a Karen whatever lol. a lot of other people feel this way. It's one of the reasons why many women get divorced is because there husband's turn into grumpy old men and nobody wants that
@Aiko_E_Lara I don't believe in equality so definitely not a feminist in any way
The law is created to control morality so the law has something to do with morality and you're just so ignorant about that. If no law were made, then nobody would reprimand anyone and the crime rate will rise. So let's remove law because apparently it has nothing to do with morality. Do you think our crime rate would still remain and not skyrocket?
I believe in equality that's why I am not a feminist. Seems to me more that you're misinform about what feminism is thinking it really is about equality. Which is why people like you would get the same amount of hate feminists gets and I know that's not surprising you.
I forgot to mention this. Before civilization there is no law and rape, murder and canibalism is very common. But because we are now civilized and have law, those act become immoral and became illegal.
@Bricealan I’m almost 25 and my fiancé is 18 and neither am I a predator nor a pedophile.
@Apple1996 In my moms case you may be correct, but still I see nothing wrong with an age difference of 6-7 years or more between couples. I have a couple at work and he is 13 years YOUNGER than his wife. l They have a beautiful child and he is a devoted husband and father.
I fail to see where a large age difference between a man and woman rings an alarm bell for you, although those large differences probably do not make for a long term successful marriage, but the "predator/pedophile references are simple very crass and not accurate, at least not in my experience, nor in the way I view younger women/older men. I have had the company of many younger women who were not 'gold diggers" or someone looking for someone to 'take care' of them.
@Bricealan I don't have a issue with age gaps. Only have a issue with younger women getting pregnant because of the risks. It's biological and morally wrong. The other way around man younger and women older or both people a past 25 it's not a big deal
@Bricealan also its a red flag if a guy has to question if he's a pedo or not. Regardless of age or situation nobody should be questioning that
@Apple1996 I agree, BUT do not know where the idea came from: "if a guy has to question if he is a pedo or not". How did the 'questioning his sexual proclivity get into this question? I'm lost. If he doesn't know his sexual position towards children, then, yes, that is a problem. How did that get in the mix. Oh yes the OP threw that in... I see.
@Apple1996 I do agree with you. Women shouldn’t have kids too young. In my opinion 23 and up is better so they have time to get settled in their career, finish school, and mature more. I’m turning 25 but I don’t want a baby till I’m 27-29 because I’m still getting financially stable and so is my partner. My neighbor next door had her daughter at 28 years old and she said it didn’t take long for her to fall pregnant and she’s so glad she waited till 28 to have her rather than 20… nowdays society loves to rush people but literally late 20s and early 30s is still young!
@Bricealan late 20s is still pretty young to birth children and nowadays more women are waiting sure there are some teen pregnancies but some of their kids grow up in unsteady households because teen parents are just immature at least most and don’t even know who they are yet. Biology is real I’m not gonna argue there but my cousin had her son at 29 and my neighbor had her daughter 28 and they have healthy babies and recovered fast, no health issues. My neighbor says she's glad she waited till her late 20s to have children because her and her husband are more steady financially and they have good paying jobs. I am turning 25 but my fiancé and I are waiting till I’m at least 27 to start trying for baby so around 27-29. Late 20s and early 30s is still young. The risks go up more when the woman reaches 35+ but my mom was almost 40 when she had me and I’m perfectly healthy.
@Paulalove98 except this topic isn't just about impregating. And the question never asked about getting a 21-year-old girl pregnant. The asker is talking about dating so therefore I talk about the age of consent. And no, there's only your moral standards that a 20-year-old is too young to give birth and you even included financial reasons for it but if a 20-year-old is successful and decided to have children, that would still be her choice and it's none of your business. Anyone of any age even at the age of 25+ can still be incapable of having children due to financial issues or health issues they have. A healthy 20 year old is just as capable as a a healthy 25 year old. You're just projecting your own failures to anyone
@Aiko_E_Lara No idea why it is a question? A 21 year old is probably, or could be a college graduate. The whole thought of 6 or 7 year age difference between a 27 or 28 year old man and a 21 year old woman being something that should be 'questioned' as absurd on the face of it. Thinking there is something 'wrong' with that is just idiotic!
Well yeah but in the end they don't own the law which basically has everything to do with morality. If they have their own morality than they might as well start their own society.
@Paulalove98 Great input Paula. My mother was 35 when I was born, and for the most part it went alright. I agree with what you had to say in total, and waiting a bit is probably a good idea. I just have no good information on 'ideal' age to have kids. Wish I did. Thanks for your 'level headed' input to the question and your discusssion.
No.
The Webster's Dictionary would agree with me.
The word you used is related to prepubescent children. Someone who wants 10 year olds.
It has NOTHING to do with someone dating a 21 year old, full adult woman. 2 people dating in their 20's.
Words actually have meanings. You can't just fling about any word without having any idea what you are talking about.
Eh. After 20 or so age has only to do with how tired you are. There is certianly a culture difference that makes it suspicious but women over 20 aren't really considered naive or innocent anymore, and I think that's generally what pedos are after.
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"Pedophilia" involves children typically up to 10 and sometimes up to 13. This is never about being attracted to fully grown women.
In fact, if it is only about raw physical attractiveness, healthy men of all ages tend to be attracted the most by about 22-year-old women. Of course, there are other factors which will usually drive us to prefer partners closer to our own age.
No, it’s not pedophilia from their age gap alone since they are both consenting adults in their 20’s.
Now…
If he picked her out BECAUSE she looks underage, asked her dress younger, and wanted her to role-play as an underaged girl in the bedroom, THEN we’re looking at a possible culprit.
But no. If he’s 28 and she’s 21, there’s nothing weird about that.
I wouldn’t say that at all. 6-7 years younger would make the woman 21-22 so she’s over 18 and over 21, you’re good. My fiancé is 18 and I’m going on 25 but when we’re in public and next to eachother literally nobody can tell the age difference because I still look like I’m 20-22 to most people but we don’t let the judgments affect us anyways even if people were to ask our ages.
This is ridiculous. So a man 30 and a woman 23 - 7 years. younger - makes the guy a pedophile? After a girl turns 18 it doesn't matter how old the guy is. Morally it is kind of sketchy, but that is not for us to judge as that is their business. No one is going to care what we think anyway.
That's literally a case of "that's not what that word means"
Do. ypu know the definition of paedophilia? It's an attraction to prepubecent children. It's dangerous to label a consenting relationship between two adults as such.
That is not a relationship.
That is statutory rape and 100% pedophila.
The offender needs to be killed immediately and as painfully as possible.
And you need serious help, there is nothing wrong with it
The age of consent is 18 so. You don't own the law
@NotTacocaT6969 You don't believe 21 yro woman are mature enough to be in relationships.
@Aiko_E_Lara How this opinion has not been removed is beyond me, women appear to be able to get away with what they want.
@DarkLegacy I believe that @NotTacocaT6969 should probably be reported if not she would be able to get away w/ saying such offensive things.
@Vegasrunner I reported the comment yesterday and it is still up, this site has its; favourites
@DarkLegacy Good job, you did your part. You would hope GAG would take this matter seriously, but there are double standards when it comes to female behavior.
@NotTacocaT6969 Karens like you needed to be killed painfully as well. You don't care about the situation. You just want the center of attention.
@Vegasrunner She has made other death threats as well towards men and those comments have not been removed, this site has always favouritised women, whereas i get opinions stating my relationship preferences removed.
@Aiko_E_Lara Yes quite right, very good response back
@DarkLegacy Lol, don't feel bad same thing happens to me. in my opinion the most important thing is that there is a platform where men at least can recognize the discrimination.
Stupid question quite frankly , and offensive.
I have rarely dated women my own age , have much larger age gaps than this , the question is utterly stupid.
Stallone is 77 year old. His wife Jennifer Flavin is 55. So.. Is he a pedophile according to your question?
My parents were 10 years apart. Nothing wrong with that!
Jerry Lewis married woman in her 30's when he was at least twice her age and they had a kid together. That was about 20 years ago.
21+ is an adult. There'd just might be differences in maturity but how they are in life might also be a factor.
Nope. P{pedophiles are attracted to prepubescent children not adult women in their 20s.
Do you know that 22 years old means you are an adult? Pedos like 8 years olds
Not in the least. Pedophilia is an attraction to children not adults younger than you.
21 is pretty far from being a child. I work at a bar and everybody in there is 21 and over. I check i. d.'s all the time and there are a lot of couples with this age difference.
how is my "opinion" relevant? it's pedophilia by definition.
Unless the girl is below 18, I won't call him Pedo
Most women on Gag would...
And yet, another bizarre question.
No it obviously is not
Yes, he is most likely a creep.
Jealous bitter millennial woman who is past her best
Typical old lady response who couldn't get a boyfriend.
@Aiko_E_Lara No she is used out
@DarkLegacy Gen Z women are more open minded at least most. I am 1998 going on 25 and definitely not turning bitter, if anything more chill, bubbly , relaxed, and energetic. I won’t judge as long as the person is over 18. I have an 18 year old guy I’m in a relationship with.
@Paulalove98 Yes they are, it is millennials who are the worst, I've always thought Gen Z were more open minded.
@DarkLegacy I think I’ve only gotten more energetic and adventurous over the years not bitter and insecure… I just take care of myself and embrace my mid 20s.
No, both are adults.
No. Theyre legal and 21 is not a kid
NO. Jesus... get a life.
Definitely not
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