Whats wrong with keeping a woman in sex only zone if they think they're going to end up in a relationship?

[Vegasrunner]

[Summeroflove]

Obviously botj people are engaging in sex. But making someone think they are going to be in a relationship is wrong. Using someone as a means of getting off, fluffing your own ego, and having fallbacks is wrong. It’s narcissistic behavior.

Sure, she does choose to sleep with you. That’s on her. But that doesn’t excuse your own actions and you probably wouldn’t want a woman doing that to you.

[Vegasrunner]

@summeroflove Such an interesting point, so you're saying if a woman puts a man in the friendliness she's narrcisstic?

[Summeroflove]

If you know you’re friendzoned that’s different. If she’s clear she’s not interested that’s different then stringing someone along.

Because she likes the attention. Likes what you do for her. Likes having options to fall back on. Not because she’s genuinely interested. See… major difference

[Summeroflove]

If a woman’s honest that you’re only her friend and isn’t wasting your time romantically she’s probably not narcissistic

[Vegasrunner]

@summeroflove OK, so you're saying as long as the man never ask the woman to be in a relationship its ok, if he only uses her for sex?

[Summeroflove]

If you ask for a relationship and talk about a relationship but then never do it. I mean if you just agree it’s just sex. You both deserve what you get in the end

[TrimmedTip]

It’s not ‘wrong’—it’s dishonest. If you know she wants commitment and you’re only offering sex, you’re wasting her time on purpose. That’s not a ‘zone,’ it’s selfishness.

Either:

Be clear upfront (‘I’m not looking for relationships’), or
Let her go so she can find someone who wants what she wants.
Using ‘hope’ as bait is cowardice, not chemistry

[Vegasrunner]

@trimmedtip Interesting, so you're saying having a man in the friend zone is selfish and dishonest?

[Danielle93]

What's wrong with using a man for money as long as he's a good provider that thinks it's a genuine relationship?

It would be deceiving, leading, lying to and using someone for your own selfish needs. In a way that's how a narcissist thinks. They don't care about the person they're using. The person is only good for what they can provide, whether it's money or sex.

[Vegasrunner]

@Danielle93 That's a great point. So you're saying women who have platonic male friends are narccisist?

[Danielle93]

If she's deliberately making him believe things can progress for her own selfish reasons, only to keep him as platonic friend then yes that would be narcissistic.
If she told him from the very beginning that she feels no romantic feelings for him, that she only sees him as a friend but he continue with the hope that it'll lead to a relationship then that's on him. Same as a man telling a woman that he's only intetested in sex and no relationship but she still think he'll change his mind... that's on her.

[Vegasrunner]

@Danielle93 Great point, so if a man never ask a woman to be in a relationship, and just keeps having sex w/ her that's ok, because he never brought it up?

[Danielle93]

As long as both agreed it's just sex then no harm done.

[Vegasrunner]

@Danielle93 If he's having sex w/ her and hasn't asked her to be in a relationship then it's been agreed upon, nothing needs to be said. You are correct

[AI Opinion]

My aim is to help navigate the twists and turns of relationships! Keeping someone in a "sex-only zone" when they think it's heading toward a relationship isn't just a sneaky red flag—it's like riding a roller-coaster with a blindfold on! 🎢 It leads to emotional confusion and potential heartbreak. Clear communication is the key to ensuring both are on the same page. Honesty isn't just the best policy; it's the sizzling spice to any dynamic! 🔥 Be upfront and let the mutual fun begin. Wondering why? Because no one likes going to a dinner and then finding out it’s just appetizers! 😉

[DonaldDarko]

You're leading her on, it's a form of lying. It's a scum bag move, that should be obvious. But as long as you've got one of those women that gets off on that, have at it.

[Vegasrunner]

@DonaldDarko Interesting, so you're saying women who put men in the friends zone are scumbags?

[DonaldDarko]

Probably you better scroll back. I'm saying what you're suggesting is a scum bag move.

[Vegasrunner]

@DonaldDarko I think I understand your confusion. I never suggested anything whether presented a general question. You said leading on and lying is a scumbag move? Isn't keeping a man in the friend zone leading on and lying?

[DonaldDarko]

Not unless she makes him think that will change. Is she getting something from you? Food, money?

[Vegasrunner]

@DonaldDarko People think for themselves how can she control what he thinks? You said leading people on is a scumbag move so I'm asking does that mean a women is a scumbag for having a man in the friends zone?

[DonaldDarko]

Like I said, not unless she makes him think he'll become something more to her. If not , then no, she doesn't owe him anything.

[Vegasrunner]

@DonaldDarko Gotcha, so you're saying it's ok to keep a woman in a sex only category as long as you don't make her think she's getting a relationship. It's ok if you she thinks that though, and you keep keep having sex w/ here?

[DonaldDarko]

As long as you don't make her think she'll get an actual commitment from you. Otherwise it's dishonest, just like a lot of the things women do to men.

[Vegasrunner]

@DonaldDarko OK, so you're saying if a man thinks he can have sex w/ his female fan she's dishonest if she doesn't have sex w/ him?

[Ariesman81]

Technically it's on them. So long as you aren't intentionally using the promise of a relationship to keep them around. If she thinks she can change your mind, then that's on her.

[Anonymous]

It's not fair to her.

[Vegasrunner]

@Anonymous Interesting, why do you believe this? Also why is her "fairness" important to you?

[Opinion Owner]

Well, if you were her, you would probably think it's not fair to you, right?

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Owner I can't speak to how another person feels, however I am interested in knowing why you feel that another person's feelings should dictate action. Are you saying a woman should have sex w/ a man who pays for a first date?

[Opinion Owner]

No, I'm not saying that. It's her personal choice, if she wants to.
You would't have sex with a woman who pays for a first date if you don't like her - right?

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Owner isn't it a man's personal choice if he only wants to have sex w/ a woman and not give her a relationship?

[Opinion Owner]

It is a personal choice, but it's also not fair. What if the roles were reversed?

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Owner If I understand correctly when the roles are reversed you're saying it's ok for women to get what they want from a man w/out providing value but it's wrong for a man to do the same thing?

[Opinion Owner]

No, it's not wrong, I'm just trying to see the problem from their perspective.

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Owner How about looking at it from both perspectives?

[Opinion Owner]

Of course. From one perspective it's ok, from the other perspective it's not.
The key is in some sort of compromise I guess.

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Owner Now I'm confused. The compromise is, its ok for the man to keeps
the woman in the sex zone, since it's ok for a woman to keep a man in the sex zone?

[Opinion Owner]

Confused? It can be vice versa, sure, but I don't think it's ok in any situation.
But I've never been in a relationship, so I can't speak from experience.

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Owner Yes, I'm confused you're said the "key is some sort of compromise The compromise is Friend Zone for men sex zone for women. I'm not surprised you haven't been in a relationship, that's typical the kind of response inexperienced young men make.

[Opinion Owner]

I'm not young anymore, but I am still inexperienced.