The Bible clearly states that Adam is male and Eve is female.
Arguing about the credibility of the Bible is just you being a smart ass to put it bluntly. If you see the miracles and evidence of God's words that I and millions of others have personally witnessed, you wouldn't talk like that. Using your logic, there would be no proof that even history books are real. Things written in the Bible, that you clearly don't know but are still dissing, are still happening to these days. The reason why I believe that the Bible is credible is that the majority of things written in there are still being proven until this day. At the very least, I have proof for what I am saying. Until you find substantial evidence to disprove the credibility of the Bible, other than a random thought (which you won't), there is no reason for anyone to believe or agree with what you are saying.
Rather than spreading useless information that has no basis, look around you and realize that just because you don't see something doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. I could sit here and give you a plethora of examples about how limited the human mind is... the colors we can't see, the problems we can't solve, the things that we simply don't know. But instead I am gonna say one thing, think about how the miniscule the probability of everything in this universe happening is... and then think about the fact that everything happened as it did. The probability of everything happening as is, with order, complexity, and functionality is infinitesimally small, essentailly close to zero. Using that mathematical logic alone is enough to show that God exists. The Bible was written by people who were inspired by God. Once again, since you have nothing to disprove this, then what you are saying remains a random thought.
And if you know anything about Christianity, it isn't about judging or being against people, transgender or not. Christians are against the act, the sin, and not the person because none of us are perfect. The only issue is that just because humans have the free will to do what they want doesn't mean that they can abuse that power and do anything they want. There are things that are inherently wrong and things that are inherently right. People shouldn't do things that are inherently wrong. Like some people might use the same logic you are using to argue that things like murder, stealing, or cheating could be right. To Christians, the Bible, like any other religious text in any religion, serves as a moral compass as well so if something is said to be wrong in there, then it is inherently wrong.
But then again, you have your own beliefs. Out of common decency, do not spread false information about a religion you do not know or practice because that can be offensive to others. Hope this answers your question.
Tldr
God made man and woman and assigned them correctly. Because it's clear you lack informative knowledge of any kind I'll tell you in detail from both science and the bible.
The bible states in multiple places about them here is a few for your knowledge,,
Corinthians 6: 9-10 we can read:
9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a]
10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Another references to transvestitism in Deuteronomy 22:5 that say:
5 A woman must not wear menâs clothing, nor a man wear womenâs clothing, for the Lord your God detests anyone who does this.
God also made the BIRTH DEFECT/ Genetic Disorder
pseudohermaphrodism, where an individual has both male and female external genital organs, sometimes at the same time.
The psychology manual DSM states gender dysphoria as a mental health problem. It's in the DSM for a reason because the person isn't well.
If you don't believe the bible maybe believe science, regardless it's not okay it's sick and wrong.
Common sense and critical thinking would tell you that. You would think? Guess not in your case.
All I have to say bc I can't be fucked reading that (this post is a joke). Is that it's common knowledge that the bible is mistranslated especially when concerning "man lying with man", the bible never mentioned "homosexuality" until a translate in the 80s I believe it was. It's original versions say man laying with young boys. âşď¸
Oh and also "god" is one horrible sob
"The psychology manual DSM states gender dysphoria as a mental health problem." "it's not okay it's sick and wrong."
Since you said it's a mental health problem: how is it "wrong" to have a mental health problem (that doesn't harm anyone else)? You brought up intersex people, I guess as a comparison. Are intersex people "wrong"?
@mistixs Intersex is a physical state. Genetic disorders are not by God's design, but a result of a sin cursed earth. Mental illness is also the result of sin, but in case of the child born with a physical disorder, it was not the result of the child's choice. There are numerous ways physical disorders manifest, but mainly it is from a decaying genetic code resulting from the fall. There are possible external reasons like drinking, drugs, work places, or chosen environment of the parents, but again no bearing of the child.
Transgenderism is a state of mind, God promises to restore the mind of those who accept Him. Transgenderism isn't a direct choice, but is the result of the choice of rejecting God and His design. People have turned away from transgenderism. Transgenderism is a form of self destructive behavior and people who have turned away from it have found healthy and productive lives.
đ what a load of shit
First, I'm a Christian and I'm not against transgenders, despite the inaccurate term, thus your claim that Christians as a group are against them is null and void. Where are you getting your data child? Yes, you are a child, you won't be an adult biologically until you're about 26, maybe older. Second, if you actually read the religious documents, you would know that eve was not male to begin with, technically your line of thinking says that Eve would have to be Adam's daughter, which is where her second X chromosome comes from, also, as per the texts, Eve is actually a genetically modified clone, meaning that God took Adam's DNA and while eve was forming, he gave her a flood of estrogen instead of testosterone which allowed here to form the XX pair creating her as a woman instead of a man. Eve was engineered, not surgically "changed" after the fact. Also, men pass on the Y chromosome to boys and the X to girls. Learn biology. Third, posting anonymously tells me that you know you'll get schooled and are attempting to be a troll (which you failed horribly at) to start an argument between responders. Take some responsibility and show the world who you are, otherwise you have absolutely no credibility. Fourth, trans people don't actually change gender, it's all cosmetic surgery, look it up, you don't magically grow the opposite reproductive organs, nor do you produce the proper hormones on your own. They just make you look the part, that's all, the they give you hormones to take and implants if necessary. Fifth, if you knew anything about Christians, you would know that we don't hate anyone, just the sins themselves.
If you are going to ask a question, say who you are, why you are asking the question, and where you got your info in the first place. Also, don't talk science when you clearly either have no real background in it or haven't finished your education yet. I'm mechanical engineer, I use science to solve real world problems everyday.
I don't know think I successfully trolled at least one moron. đ¤ˇđťââď¸ Thank you though this is probably the most thought out response
This is coming only from me, and I think of myself as a devout Catholic.
As a Catholic I am against homosexuality because it is not natural. No other mammalian species exhibit homosexuality in the natural world. Even domestic dogs only do it because neutered males are so confusing to an intact male (that is how it was explained to me). But in the mountain ranges of Alaska, you will never find two healthy male grizzly bears living together because they have been shunned by society.
From everything I have ever heard, homosexual males in humans exist because the males were first abused as little boys. Right now in the Catholic Church, there are huge numbers of gay priests. This is a far bigger topic than I will go to on this forum, but those homosexual males were most often abused as young boys and they grow up and commit the same crimes. It's a phycological thing were they attack the young boys because of their innocence. Now. by no means is this a blanket description or excuse; this is my understanding of the wrongs done by so many homosexualist predators in my Catholic faith.
Homosexuality is not normal. After every society, in the history of the world, when a society accepts and then celebrates the depraved acts; that group of people as a society collapse. Around the world, save for a few nations, everyone celebrates the act of homosexuality and because history repeats itself, our world will collapse.
But that's factually incorrect homosexual and bisexual behavior is very common in the animal kingdom đ
Its infact observed in over 1000 species đ
@Asker Thank you. Iâm glad someone gets that. Same thing with interspecies sexual behavior.
@Asker - Please provide one MAMMALIAN healthy species where this happens?
@Asker - Read my post again; I'm not talking about animals.
@Breanna_nonbinary - Again Breanna, show me examples in the natural world with MAMMALIAN interspecies sexual relations. Please show me to be wrong, because that means I can learn.
Tldr, only read the first part which is wrong. You want mammals that have homosexual interactions?
Lions, koalas, giraffes, elephants, chimpanzees, dolphins, rats, bison, fox, brown bears and orcas are some.
Oops you asked for just one I guess I outdid myself âşď¸
Dolphins is important since we also know they are one of the only species that also have sex for fun
@Asker - Listing mammals doesn't prove anything. Please provide a website from a mammalogist or someone who has a PhD in the field.
By no means am I saying I couldn't be wrong, it's just the understand of the mammals in nature didn't change much after genetic mapping and that was a few decades ago.
@Asker - Dolphins don't have homosexual sex in every male dolphin. The last time I read about this, it was still being researched because it is considered ABNORMAL. There is zero benefit for mammals to exhibit the behavior.
By the way, this medium sucks and I take complete blame for not completely expressing my opinions. Please accept my apologies!
en.m.wikipedia.org/.../List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior
And because you'll probably say Wikipedia isn't a good source
phys.org/.../...volution-animal-homosexuality.html
www.greenpeace.org.uk/.../
www.news-medical.net/.../...ice-homosexuality.aspx
www.bbc.com/.../20150206-are-there-any-homosexual-animals
@Asker â My problem with Wikipedia is - anyone can change anything, only an account is required; so you are correct. In addition, do you think a university worth their weight would accept Wiki in an undergraduate paper?
2) Your first source brought a smile to my face because your source is from a PhD student; meaning he has no doctorate, plus Iâm not going to waste my time looking for it. In addition, this article is two years old, and Ms. Bawagan is a editorial student. She probably got something wrong, and I have far better things to do than check for the facts in a studentâs paper. I asked for an actual doctorate in the mammalian field.
3) Really, GreenPeace? Show me irrefutable proof birth-control in the world has zero effect on the waters of the world and Iâll even waste my time reading an article from a liberal organization.
Onto the second page.
4) Your fourth article spews garbage like the oceans is rising. On that different subject, wouldnât it make sense if most of the scientific research proved the case for man-made global warming? If that were the case, the there would be zero changes in the history of the globe. Yet, there are numerous examples well before the industrial age. Secondly, why are the polar ice caps in the Antarctic are melting and yet up north the Artic is expanding? Finally, if the oceans were rising why are beach front properties along both coasts still there and not eroding away.
5) As for the BBC article, I couldnât read it despite my internet address being in the United Kingdom. Yet I know there is zero proof where all doubt is removed, and homosexuality is perfectly explained. Thatâs a nice Segway into my final point.
6) Any and all behaviors exhibited in the animal kingdom have a benefit or they wouldnât exist in the animal world. There are fish in India that cannot reproduce or have both sex organs? Where is the benefit there you ask? Oh, there is no benefit! There are just so many women in India on artificial hormones that the chemicals effect the development of the fish. As a quick side note, go to the glaciers of the world and tell me how long ago the birth-control hormones have existed in the ice? Does it seem wrong that the artificial hormones never, ever break down despite decades in the natural world?
Wiki is actually pretty reliable now but you can cross reference by checking their sources.
If you think the oceans rising is garbage then no article I send is going to convince you because you're just stupid đ¤ˇđťââď¸ good day sir.
Also the only thing you said is homosexuality isn't natural and it isn't exhibited in the natural world. Which I proved wrong. Doesn't have to have a purpose, a logical reason, or be beneficial to the species. Fact is that it happens and there's no denying that.
@KneeDragger people have been having sex with animals since the beginning of time. However because of its taboo nature itâs not something that people readily talk about. There are a lot of examples in the ancient texts and pictograms of ancient culture that show not only interspecies mating but also homosexual sex. Letâs not forget that the origins of the word lesbian comes from the word lesbos. And although the it is mainly mythology the story has its roots in fact.
@Breanna_nonbinary - So, because people do things that are wrong, and people have done things that are wrong for all of history; your argument is we should just let people do things that are wrong? Seriously?
Before the time of Christ, they literally threw babies into open pits of fire. Your argument says the practice should never have stopped. Doesnât that seem wrong just on the face of it?
Sure, homosexuality has existed for all human history and it probably will. However just because something has existed for all of human history doesnât mean we should allow a behavior to exist. Pedophilia has existed for the duration of human history so your argument is we should allow that behavior to exist too? Your argument lacks any reason or logic, there is no point for me to continue.
If a behavior does nothing to help humanity, that behavior shouldnât continue, most especially when that behavior is hurtful to people even if it takes a while to come to fruition.
@KneeDragger No. Iâm saying that the church dictates to us what they see as right or wrong or irrespective as to whether or not itâs a natural human behavior. Anything they fail to understand is apparently wrong regardless if they do it themselves. For years the church has said that being gay is wrong but so many of those preaching this are found out to be just that.
The church preaches to look at the world and tells us to ask âis it right or wrong?â And nothing else. We should be looking at the world and ask âwhy?â âWhat is that makes us do these things?â âIs this natural human behavior?â And most importantly âdoes it hurt other?â
Just because someone thinks they are godly is in no way a reflection of whether or not they are a good person.
@Breanna_nonbinary - There is a ton of projection in your post, but I'll try to help you understand the Catholic Church as I understand Her, and Her teachings.
People who are homosexual are by our understanding of the natural world intrinsically disordered. From the male perspective, homosexual males were abused as young boys and they grow-up to commit the same crimes/behavior. There is an actor from Hollywood who recently gave a talk about his experiences when he was young and his abuse. Homosexual men are not comfortable with their behavior and so they lash out to the people that represent innocence to them, young boys. Those young boys grow up and the cycle starts again. Please, find a large number of homosexual men who were not abused while growing up and then didnât repeat the behavior again.
The Catholic Church has never, ever taught that homosexuality is noting other than intrinsically disordered. If a person in the Church says anything contrary to that, they are flat out wrong! This is no different than in the â60s when everyone said the Church would change Her teachings about birth-control. Well fast forward to today and the Catholic Church has never changed, birth-control is wrong because it places the will of man over that of GOD. Homosexuality is intrinsically disordered no matter what any person in the Church says.
The funny yet sad part, people believe science contradicts what the Roman Catholic Church teaches, and they couldnât be more wrong. Science was developed by monks in the early Church to provide proof for the existence of GOD, not the inverse. There are all sorts of theories about the universe and things like that, however, no one can conclusively prove anything they claim; IF they are honest in what they look for.
Projection? Sorry but maybe you should read your own history. Again I say that you should stop feeding on the history they want you to believe and open your mind to the documented facts that are part of a history the church would have you pretend didnât exist. As it is pointless to argue with people that will only see the facts that support the conclusions they want I will now just ignore you now.
@Breanna_nonbinary - Jajaja, you "ignore me" because there are "facts" that support your claim; yet where are the facts? Crickets. . . .
Homosexuality in any mammalian species is never, ever going to result in the procreation of future generations; simple logical fact. You claim the behavior is common but what are the reasons according to the scientists that actually know what they are talking about and all I hear again are crickets. . . .
Something really sad though, you think because an animal species exhibits an act that justifies certain actions on your part. To me, I am far better and more evolved than any animal in the history of the world, it's too bad you don't think more of yourself.
Sorry @Asker, I wasnât notified you posted a reply.
Wikipedia is NOT accepted by any credible university because all thatâs required to write anything on Wikipedia is an email account, nothing more, let alone actual proof of a claim by the writer. But go ahead and tell yourself âWiki is actually pretty reliable now.â Following a link still doesnât make an articles claim on the site a valid claim.
Never once did I say the ocean level doesnât change; that happens with the tides around the world, it happens twice a day. Please explain why the eastern and western coasts arenât being eroded away after decades of ocean levels rising? Why is Hawaii still around? Why are the ice fields in the Arctic expanding? Before the Industrial Revolution the climate changed, why? Wasnât there a claim exactly like this ten, twenty, thirty and forty years ago? But tell yourself that if people give enough money to a liberal organization the oceans will simply stop rising or changing. Humanity has SO much. power we can change the climate by simply trying.
You proved a behavior exists, um, good job? Explaining why something exists is what I would like, not just listing a random behavior. Certain people in the world set machines up for masturbatory purposes, is this supposed to be normal and healthy simply because a person decides to do it? Bestiality is a thing, is that supposed to be considered normal because a few freaks in the world practice the abnormal behavior? Child torture porn is a thing too, is that somehow normal?
A normal and healthy behavior is just that, normal and healthy; not the exception to the rule.
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The real question is why Adam had such a problem with Lilith? Rather than having someone who was an equal he wanted a woman that was more subservient.
Like all things that Christians are against, transgender people donât fit into the one of two categories set by them. In Christianity things are always black and white, right or wrong. When things donât fit into these confined and neatly defines boxes it becomes wrong. As you may have noticed the world isnât black and white. Having a neatly defined world helps people feel better about their world and their place in it. Itâs always easier to just define something as wrong rather than thinking about it or understanding it. The church has found that defining the right and wrong for its followers is an easy way to control people into doing what they want, thinking what they want and believing what they want. For example they want you to believe that when you die youâll go to heaven if youâve been good. But really heaven is empty except for god, Jesus and angels. Itâs not until judgement day that people line up to be let in and even then they have to face St. Peter. So until the end of the world no one is let in.
There are many other cultures (non-Christian) that accept transgender people and some that actually have a third gender. Sadly in America we have a history that was founded on a very strict Christian law. This influence is felt even today in our belief that womenâs breasts need to be hidden, whereas in Europe they see breasts as just breasts.
I commend you for questioning the things that you are meant to just accept. It is a sign of an open mind.
One last thing, clearly people upset at your question because you logically followed the story and applied science to it. I wouldnât be surprised if their heads exploded if they actually tried to understand your argument. Itâs the question you pose that makes them question the things they believe. Things that help them understand their world. This makes them uncomfortable, so I caution you from using your brain in making others reevaluate the beliefs they have. It can be lonely.
Itâs even before then.
God created both man and woman in his image, that I believe is sitting at the beginning of genesis.
This really point to God having boobs and lady bits.
Does this in fact mean God is a hermaphrodite?
how else can he create someone in his own image?
or did he in fact create Adam & Steve?
those are the âfactsâ from the big book of stories.
God is a woman đś
@ Pretty Pink Anon. Does this explain Manboobs then?
The woman in Everyman trying to burst out...
Perhaps the sensitivity too đđ
The Law of Moses and the Book of Romans tells you that homosexuals and "effeminate persons" go to Hell.
Although there's no evicence "Adam and Eve" ever literally existed, you'd need at least 54 adults to keep a stable population and genetics to explain modern variation, there's no reason to think Eve was a Tranny other than YOU just want to incorrectly justify wholesale SIN.
A geneticist could gene splice Adam's first X chromosome to give Eve two X chromosomes without a Y chomosome. If a modern geneticist could do that, then obviously God Almighty could do that.
Once again, the SINNER falsely justifies their sin by lying about the things of God.
Just a theory I took from a mythical book đ
If people actually honored God, they'd be going above and beyond the bare minimum obedience to commandments, instead of looking for loopholes to get out of the things of God. That's a sin too, which is called "Concupisense." That's the Sin of "wanting to sin and get away with it."
Yeah many things are sins but people pick and choose what they want to believe. In the end it's just a fantasy
@ Asker, yeah Sin does not exist, itâs simply bollox made up by man
and what do you think about the Jewish writings you call apocrypha because you bluntly ignore apocrypha writings that a line with the bible because there not canon
how can you know that your scripture is the original seeing as many different Coptic scriptures have been found in Egypt
If Eve was trans than there is no such thing as a cis female gender/sexuality because all people that have the ability of giving birth would be trans.
I personally think that transsexuality isn't mentioned in the Bible and it can't be taken as a proof for that because the idea that there is a difference between biological sex and social is a relative new idea. So is there is no one wondering if she/he is born in the wrong body.
By the way just because eve got a rip of Adam it doesn't mean she only has male chromosomes because there are bone transplantions also used in modern medicine and if I got a bone from a woman that wouldn't make me trans would it?
If by relatively new you mean 30,000 years sure...
I mean the scientific pursuit of it. Yes there might have been transsexual people in history. But there was no gender studies as a subject a hundred years ago. The Bible is way less focused on individuality as we are today. Our society is mainly organized by what feels right/good. Many people argue there is no such things as an objective truth. Everybody has his/her truth.
I mean this is funny. But if you think your actaully making a point... Well 1st you need to realise, biology exists and if you educated yourself more you would understand this is kinda daft and not very trans.
Then 2nd point biggest one, god is legit a magical deity who can bend anything to his will so if you think he didn't just change what he needed to make her a her kinda dumb.
Then 3rd if i get a rib of a female in me through surgey does this make me female? It's pretty much the same thing but god did it with his powers apperantly. Also chromosomes in ribs? And many other things tbh.
Also even if this was true christians would ignore it due to there own interprations. Hell eve could of been a guy at first but changed to be a women due to people dislike of gays would brin a whole knew meaning to the Forbidden fruit.
But shrugs who cares.
The X chromosome is the female chromosome. The Y chromosome is the male chromosome. Women usually have XX and men usually have XY. Therefore, generally, women are 100% female and men are 50% male and 50% female (with some rare exceptions). The story of Adam and Eve in Genesis is mythology not history and therefore invalid. It is an allegory and nothing more. When you encounter someone who claims to be Christian and expresses transphobic views I suggest quoting Mathew 19:12 where Jesus basically commands to let them be.
Bull crap, She clearly had children and was designed by God just like Adam. Eve was designed to compliment Adam, and together Adam and Eve made one person. This couple is the very image of marriage, that two become one. Eve was made from the same base material as Adam, but men have an X chromosome as Well, so she clearly had double X chromosomes.
God makes no mistakes, He designs people before birth as he did with Eve. When the passage says Rib it denotes region on body. Adam's name means Red Clay, A chunk of His clay was molded by God and formed into a woman. Ideally this would be from His X-chromosomes, but God designed them both so could have just as easily made new X - Chromosomes. Genetics point to an original woman, so the very least there was one distinct X-Chromosome.
Where'd she get the extra X from? Did Adam have Klinefelters syndrome? But oh wait then he would most likely be Infertile đ¤ and have a micro penis that won't work hmm
A man has X and Y Chromosomes, no one can say what exactly God did, but in the end Eve had XX chromosomes. With absolute certainty I can say both Adam and Eve got their chromosomes from God who designed them. Perhaps Eve got a personal X from God or He used Both Xs from Adam. You either accept God designed people from clay and breathed life into them or you don't and you reject the truth.
Accept mythology no thanks đ
So you had preconceived notions and had the audacity to ask this question? You clearly are delusional. Eve wasn't transgender, she was the first woman designed by God as all women born are. Transgenderism is the denial of God and trans are "women" designed by men, of course it pales in comparison to God's design.
Woah its almost as if I was mixing science with mythology. How was that not blatantly obvious đ¤Śđťââď¸
You can't explain religion with science. Duh.
And yet both are under God's authority. Religion is dead, Christ lives.
Only if you believe in god they are which many do not đ
God's status doesn't change based on your beliefs.
God doesn't exist. đĽ´
Romans 1:18 - 20
(18) The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, (19) since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. (20) For since the creation of the world Godâs invisible qualitiesâhis eternal power and divine natureâhave been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
You are without excuse.
Book 7, Chapter 23, Malfoy Manor
Dobby appears at Malfoy Manor to save Harry, Ron and Hermione. He causes the chandelier in the drawing room to crash to the floor to protect Harry, and tells his old mistress that he must not hurt Harry.
Clearly without excuse.
Whuh? Eve was not born a man, you dipshit.
Transgender means you were born one gender, but want to transition to another. Usually by Frankensteining another's body parts and hormones.
Male and females have different chromosomal make up. Males have XY, females XX.
A trans person still has the same genetic makeup they are born with. Regardless of what they think they are.
Eve was born with a 9 inch penls
But how do we know for sure đ
Also Frankensteining? That would imply taking a part from someone else and stitching it onto another's body đŹ
Also also there's more than 2 sets of sex chromosomes đ
I dont get this either, and another thing a lot of the religious people in my are were pretty racist too and I got confused with that as well cos didn't god create people in his image so wouldn't all races be made equal in gods image?
And Jesus would have been black đĽ´
Rationalization is the second strongest human drive.
I seriously think more and more people that do not know how to use critical thinking skills.
Do you accept truths or is everything you donât understand Rationalized to fit your narrative?
Do you tend to think with your emotions more often or do you use deductive reasoning to come to a conclusion?
Do you think more with your right brain or left brain?
Right brain- Creativity, imagination, emotions, mood swings
Left brain- linear thinking, facts, logic, Sequencing, mathematics.
I think we both can agree that we have far too many people thinking with their right brain 24/7. Hollywood movies, tv shows, etc that they take as reality. Whatever they donât understand or have the capacity to entertain other perspectives, they Rationalize and certain people are forced into thinking that way too.
The way sex determining genetics works:
Male humans have one X and one Y chromosome. Female humans have two X chromosomes. Therefore, if God took Adam's rib, isolated the nuclei of two cells, removed the Y chromosome from both leaving two X chromosomes, combined them into one cell, then gestated it at Godly speed, he would have a normal, genetically female, woman. Nothing trans-gender about that.
I'm sorry to say but if you remove the y you are only left with a single X which would make eve Infertile
Please note: I said that possibly two cells taken from the millions in Adam's rib were combined after taking the two Y chromosomes out of each one, along with half the other chromosomes. That would leave two haploid cells, chromosomally identical to haploid cells, otherwise genetically similar to gametes, which are the ovum in the female and the spermatozoon in the male. Combining these two haploid cells would yield a diploid cell which, under proper gestational conditions, would develop into the normal double-X chromosome-bearing female we assume Eve to have been. Thus, Eve is genetically a normal female human, just like all the female humans of today.
One must also assume that mitochondria were also present in Adam's rib, and since those are passed only on the female lineage in humans, one must assume God created mitochondria in Adam in anticipation of creating him a mate.
The bigger question, and one that bothered many Medieval theologians is, "If God created Adam from dust, and God created Eve from Adam's rib, did Adam and Eve have umbilici?" (Umbilicus is the Latin for what we call bellybutton. Umbilici is the plural of umbilicus.)
I know that is a question mark, but something we'd never know. I'd like to assume they did so the children could be just like their parents, but there would be no functional reason for them to. The path you mention is possible, but the main problem is the asker is faithless. You either have faith that God formed everything from nothing or you don't. We don't know what God did exactly as we only have the results. It is recorded that Adam was made from the dirt/clay which has all the elements to form life (which even evolutionist contend). It then says Eve was made from the same material as Adam. That is quite beautiful symbolism, Adam and Eve together make one person, as Adam was separated into two and together they make one (marriage). The collection of the X Chromosomes are possible as that is essentially how cloning works, which I prefer to see them as clones as well as their children, of course the cloning process was less efficient and led to Genetic diversity. It is likely Adam and Eve shared one X Chromosome, but we can't say for sure they shared both. Perhaps as Genetic analysis gets better we can confirm, but as it stands there still is the possibility for a unique X chromosome in Eve.
I'm not religious myself, but i don't remember the Bible describing Eve cutting off her male genitals and then using incredibly awful process to keep a gaping wound between her legs open to resemble a female vagina.
The problem with transgenderism is that it's WAY imperfect. It promises young, impressionate people that it will turn them into hot beauties, while in fact they only get messed up hormone levels and a glorified castration. At least be fair and stop with all the propaganda on how "trans are real women in all aspects", because that's just factually wrong.
Wait until technology gets better.
Problem is you are mixing science and faith.
Religious people don't claim that their faith comports with science. It supersedes science.
So you cannot assume that Adam's rib contained male chromosomes because the story is one of faith and belief, not one of science.
Was just using their tactics against them. đ
Against who? Christians?
Oh yeah they love to logically explain the bible
You're taking a page out of a book of mythology and mixing genetics with it.
I can't even start describing how convoluted your mental gymnastics have been while formulating this question.
At least you demonstrated some fantasy in its making. Which puts you a step above the typical "tranny acceptance" turd monkey.
Because it is forbidden by Biblical law for a man to wear women's garments and for the woman to wear men's garments. I have read in an explanation to that law that in ancient times it was common practice for the heathens to use transgenderism in their cults and therefore it got forbidden in the Bible.
It's also forbidden to wear mixed fabrics, for women to wear gold or pearls, braided hairstyles, torn clothes, getting tattoos, remarrying, forbidden for a women to speak in church, forbidden to cut your hair or trim your beard, forbidden to drink wine in church and forbidden to eat pork.
But we ignore these ones right? We only choose to believe the ones that affect a certain group of people.
Yes exactly you get it! It is also forbidden for a man to wear something on his head when he prays (like a cap or a hat) because the man is the image of God which shall not be hidden.
Yeah, most christians just don't care about laws like this because "everything I like is to be perceived as literally and everything I dislike about the Bible is just simply metaphorically or not accurate in modern times anymore"...
Christians are homophobic, transphobic and sexist because a book said they should be.
And yer a wizard Harry.
Yes exactly.
I donât know about Christians, Iâm a non believer, I do believe in facts and science. There are TWO human Genders, thatâs it, and it take a 1/1 pairing to procreate. No matter what you have cut off your body or what you have seen on you will NEVER be anything other than what your chromosomes dictate. TWO genders, anything else is a mental disorder and the world is tired of the QBLGTXYZ horse shit being forced on them.
Thank you so much. Finally someone with some common sense. đđđ
Mm I think God would had to do some magic cause if she were just uncooked, straight rib she would be a clone of Adam. And then well they could not have been fruitful and multiplied, could they? If God would be nice enough to magic the transsexuals nowadays that would have to be fine with them too, but for some reason he seems to think it's better they don't get to change all the way.
Well my theory is that she had male chromosomes but somehow magically a working uterus and vagina, bare with me because I'm mixing mythology and science, so she's got XY chromosomes so XX chromosomes must be a genetic mutation.
Eh seems odd that the very next generation would have genetic mutation. I thought it was supposed to take a while for the "perfect" originals to copy wrong.
Who said it was the next generation, there's no telling when the mutation happened. If we are talking logically
Well how would there by XY chromosome women unless God magiced all of them until one mutated to be women on its own? That's not how the chromosomes work
Ah mixing logic and religion just doesn't work huh? đ
How is that possible when she gave birth, she can't have only male chromosomes and be able to give birth, if that were true than women wouldn't be needed at all. Because men could give birth when they wanted to. So no she's not trans and as for why were against it is because morals, it's a sin, and because our God says so
Your god says a lot of things are sins but you ignore the ones that could affect you. Only take the ones that are prejudice against a group of people.
So you don't wear mixed fabrics? You tell women they are sinning if they wear their hair in braids or wear gold jewelry and pearls? Do you tell people they're going against god if they wear ripped jeans?
These are all sins. You'll tell gay people and trans people that they are sinning, you'll express your opinion on their life but you won't say this to people who do all these other things.
Well first off I answered this question, if someone were to ask a question regarding those sins I say the same thing, so in short I do actually do that. 2nd I don't like trans or gay people because they creep me out, had bad experiences with them, and was sexually assaulted by one as well so yea
That's no excuse đ you're homophobic and transphobic. Someone being themselves "creeps" you out. If you were sexually assaulted by a straight man would you say that you don't like straight men? No đ get help for your trauma and stop being a horrible person. Your god is evil. Study up on it.
Being themselves is one thing, forcing others to accept them because they believe its the right thing to do is different. 2nd yea your right its not a good reason to dislike them, however I still don't like them because that's how I feel, its not trans/homophobix to dislike someone. I don't like them, I don't want to be near them, let them do what they please. Don't force me to like you. 3rd Our God isn't evil, and You ask for our opinions and we gave them to you. So I am sorry that your upset about it.
Yes it is phobic to dislike an entire group of people. Not supporting them is phobic, not even considering being friends with them is phobic, yes there is something wrong with that BECAUSE ITS PHOBIC.
God is evil.
Hosea 13:16
God orders infants to be killed and pregnant people to be ripped open.
2 Kings 2:23-24
Elisha is picked on by children so he calls down a curse from the lord and 42 children are mauled by bears.
That's just a couple things mentioned there's many many more to do with rape, murder, slavery đ but yeah god is "good"
Like humans are any better but in the end we want to believe he's good just like you want to believe in what you believe in. I might be phobic but oh well I don't them and that's it. If they wanna be that way go for it, I won't stop them. You aren't gonna hear any complaints from me.
Nice try. Just in case you don't believe that God could make whatever He wanted from whatever ELSE He wanted to, rest easy knowing that, "A hematopoietic stem cell is a cell isolated from... BONE MARROW (that) can renew itself, can DIFFERENTIATE to a variety of specialized cells, can mobilize out of the bone marrow into circulating blood, and can undergo programmed cell death, called apoptosisâa process by which cells that are detrimental or unneeded self-destruct." (emphasis mine)
One first has to subscribe to the story of one man and one woman without taking into account their offspring. If genetics holds today, brothers and sisters should never procreate, which extends to cousins, aunts, and uncles, etc. Yet inter-species copulation was the norm back then, since there would be, according to the bible verses, only those that were in the so-called garden of Eden.
You gonna trigger the sky daddy mob with this one😂😂
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@ChrisMaster69 neither bud
That Eve was made from Adam's rib has nothing to do with transgender. It's a play on the dependence of woman to man.
Had Adam not broken a rib after all Eve wouldn't exist. By breaking a rib Eve (and women) can only thank Adam (and men) for their existence. Just as how particularly back then women without a man - be it husband, father or brother - got nowhere, achieved nothing and 98% of the time died a pauper (dirt poor).
If your argument were to hold literally 'true' ALL Adam's subsequent male offspring would be missing a rib
since that rib went missing BEFORE Adam's first mating.
NON-starter!
Can't "cherry pick" your 'proofs'...
If my argument were literally true God is a woman.
But it's a religion we are talking about it's mythology.
The literal meaning of that translation in the bible is not supposed to mean that eve actually came from the rib of Adam, itâs an ancient Aramaic saying that doesnât really translate into English, but itâs supposed to mean that men and women are equal. The bible has many incorrect literal translations, as for transgender people, they donât make much sense either.
Adam is a man. Males have both X and Y chromosome. To produce a new organism, meiosis is required incase of a diploid organism like humans. So few cells of Adam's ribs underwent meiosis with each cell receiving either X or Y chromosome along with 22 autosomes. Fertilisation occured inside Adam and so 2 cells with X chromosomes came together and fused resulting in 44AA+XX=FEMALE
Wouod have been way better if it was YY
I think i made a nice story 😌
Good question
I don't think they're mostly "against" transgender people. You can be totally fine with transgender people and STILL believe in factually correct statements like: "biological men and women are different" or "gender may be fluid but sex is immutable" or "sex and gender are different things" or "the vast, vast, VAST majority of people identify as the same gender as their biological sex, therefore sex and gender and very, very, VERY highly correlated."
Okay đ
What exactly do you suggest?
Eve trans? Where you been reading this nonsense?
You misread that line... to fit your agenda... and how she were able to get pregnant, if she was trans, according to you?
'And the rib that the Lord God had taken from the man he made into a woman', that says different then you suggest...
It's a male rib with male chromosomes đ đ
If you can't understand what is wrote there, I'm not going to intervene.
Have a nice 'Darwin's award' celebration.
Jesus would have been trans too. Born of a virgin birth would mean he was essentially a clone of Mary and only had XX chromosomes lol
Saying she was trans because of that is just ignorance, God changed the chromosomes when making her, and it because the Bible says that being trans is wrong, otherwise who cares.
Eh doesn't really say it's wrong actually
Trans women are women and trans men are men âşď¸
God those troll questions keep getting better and better😂😂😂😂😂Honestly society has gone crazy you should make constant parody posts
I love how defensive people get. Then they try fight with logic đĽş
Christians donât believe that the Bible is the literal word of God and allegory and parables are used in many parts of it. Eve also isnât a transgender individual even if you take that passage as literally as you possibly can.
I love how people are so triggered by this. The long paragraphs omfg😂😂😂
Your question isn't discussion worthy.
well if this is your logic then you are also a transgender because eve was the first woman on earth and everyone originates from adam and eve, you see where im going with this?
Must be đĽ´
Sure đ
can you prove that statement? You can assume that but you can not prove it. How do you know Adam had any chromosomes at all? Adam was formed from the dust of the earth... And life was breathed into him by God.
It's religion the whole point is you can't prove it
And J. R. R. Tolkien writes about elves.
God was never alive... The person who wrote the bible is long dead...
But I see you don't get my point. đ
What on earth gave you the fool idea that Eve was transgender? Having a fool idea, doesn't make it fact.
Yeah
The bible isn't fact đ
It's OK that you don't accept the bible as fact, but that doesn't mean it isn't fact. For many millions of people, it is God's Holy word, inspired by the Holy Spirit.
It simply can't be fact. Faith isn't fact.
However, a person can have faith in a fact.
âHaving a fool ideal doesnât make it factâ? Tell that to Fox News and the GOP. đ¤Ş
@Breanna_nonbinary You made a good point, but Fox just accepts lies as facts, they don't actually make the lies fact, except in the minds of their viewers.
Christians and other normal people are against the CONFUSION and MENTAL ILLNESS that these Gender-Dysphorics have, NOT the people themselves. We are also against those in positions of authority who are PUSHING this evil agenda on young impressionable people. Eve has nothing to do with any of this.
Because she wasnât transgender wtf you on about 🤷ââď¸
Well she would have been a hybrid which is basically transgender sooo...
eve wasn't transgender. transgender wasn't a thing in the times the bible was written. what you just said is like claiming all men are transgenders, cause they also have the x chromosome xD
It was actually Steve and Christians are upset because they can't get hard when they think about all the butt secks Adam and Steve were having.
Fuck me in the ass cause I love jesus
Jesus only loved boys: 
I mean why else would he make men be able to orgasm anally
Because religion was created by man. And that's that. Humans decide how their gods tell them how to live their lives. Just another form of hate cults.
🤦ââď¸ What a bunch of ridiculous blasphemy.
Do you have any idea how absurd you sound? She was made from his rib, but she was still full woman.
Jesus fucking Christ! At least make an INTELIGENT argument
Mmh yes because the bible is an intellectual piece of writing.
Bible says he created them âmale and female.â There is a separation.
I'm not against transgenders at all. On the contrary I support everyone regardless of their gender or sexual preference or ethnicity.
And their children had incest in order to have more children to create more people but you never hear about that either
I agree with the sentiment but your biology is off. I think.
Gee, you're rather dim, aren't you. For gods sakes woman.
Eve was transgender? This is what stupid looks like folks. Stupid is woke, woke is stupid.
Lmaoo, god question. Youâre gonna get the sky daddy supporters really mad though
đ nothing wrong with that
Just make sure you stock up on popcorn
Do people still believe in those fairy tales about Adam and Eve?
Apparently so
hmmm, You are using a fictional allegorical story to justify transgender demands?
The fuck are transgender people demanding đđ
are you really ignorant?
Nope but apparently you are
Your logic is stupid and isn't grounded in reality.
Nor is the bible...
Sorry to disappoint you: it was a female rib that accidentally got mounted during Adam's assembly :)
Um, never go full retard.
Eve was made from adams rib, eve wasnât created with a dick and then choose to have it pushed up inside and claimed to be female... eve had ovaries therefore the ability to reproduce, therefore an ACTUAL female.
I don't know who lied to you. Eve was not transgeder.
Eve was made from a man
Which means eve would have male chromosomes
Eve was given a difference chromosome. If not she would have been another he.
Lmao! You can't be serious right. Don't play with the lord I promise you'll regret it
What's he gonna do đ¤
Wow good bye
Byeeeee
Not true. Men and women have the same number of ribs ( 24 ) moron!
What does that have to do with anything?
I figured that would be way above your head!
We aren't talking about amount of ribs you absolute moron.
Im the moron and you think eve was made from Adamâs rib ! What an asshole
"He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in its place. Then the rib which the Lord God had taken from man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the man" (Genesis 2:21,22).
Yeah ok... Have you ever gone to school? I know the answer... No! Youâre an illiterate moron.. Bye, Bye.. dummy..
Yes I have... Which is why I don't believe any of this crap. đ
God made Eve out of Adam's Rib but turned her into a female
and women are made from when a male's sperm fertilizes the female's egg. so, with your argument--all females are trans.
LOL... funny, explain when and where the Y chromosomes came from? Then I will explain it to you
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