Do Christians consider prophet muhammad as their prophet also?

[Anonymous]

Some muslims claim prophet muhammad is also a prophet for Judaism and Christianity, is it true?

[genericname85]

no, muhammad does not appear in the bible. that's because the jewish version of the thora was bascially copied by the muslim community back in the day and they decided to put their own messiah in their fairytale for one simple reason: political power.

if you acknowledge the other societies messiah, you can't legitimate your power through their messiah. you need your own for that.

that's what religion has always meen. a political governance tool.

[genericname85]

christianity, judaism and islam all go back to abraham, the original leader of the jewish tribes. again. pure and mundane political governance.

[Asker]

Yeah, Abrahamic religions are just political ideologies repackaged as religion, and their objective is global dominance.

[genericname85]

thank you for restoring a tiny bit of my broken believe in humanity :)

[Asker]

😊😊 are you an ex-christian?

[genericname85]

i don't think i would ever have genuinely referred to myself as a christian. though i went through "christian socialization" and "education".

[genericname85]

i mean i guess when i was 5, praying and that would have been normal but at that point i had no idea about anything xD i just did what my parents suggested me to do.

[Asker]

I see. I studied in a Christian school too.

[genericname85]

no, my parents were not that hardcore luckily. my mom is actually atheistic. we did had "religion" as a class though, that basically exclusively dealt with christianity. and i went through evangelic "confirmation". not sure if that process is similar in every society.

[genericname85]

"did have" or "had"** xD my brain chose a wrong mix of both

[Asker]

I see.
I'm not Christian. Yet I studied in a Christian school which taught me about the trinity and jesus as there's a church in the school and they used to summon us there for prayers. Luckily, I was never interested in Christianity.

[Asker]

Is evangelical confirmed= baptism? Sorry if I'm wrong. I'm not sure about it.

[genericname85]

no, baptism is basically when you're first introduced to a religion. usually as a child.

confirmation here is basically a long winded process here. you actually have to attend church services, pass exams on christianity and you have regular weekly classes, not in school but inside the church or rectory next to the church. it also includes some excursions and events and it basically culmulates in a big social celebration. the celebration is held once a year and it's an event, where your entire family is invited. you are first "allowed" by your parents and society to drink alcohol that day. and you usually start by going around the village, knocking at doors and the people that open up will share a drink with you.

so you see it's a super well oiled indoctrination machinery. if the actual base material (the bible and the christian faith) wasn't so incredibly bad, i would work way better.

[Asker]

Wow, I never heard about this before. Thanks for sharing!
Yes, and only if Christians stop referring to the ones who don't follow their ideology as "pagans" , would it stop being incredibly bad.

[Asker]

And I hope they'd stop saying every "pagan" would be in hell😂

[genericname85]

i don't see "pagan" or "heathen" as bad words or an insult. i mean by the very definition of those words is roughly similar. they mean a person holding religious beliefs other than those of the main world religions. and that is true for me :D

what are you identifiying as right now, if i may ask?

[genericname85]

xD well as you grow up, you learn that "just cause someone says it" doesn't mean it's true :D of course that shit is abusive to children but to my adult self, that shit is actually kind of funny. cause i know they have to think that, cause it's litterally the only reason why they still believe.

[Asker]

Yes, but what muslims mean by "infidels" is what Christians mean by "pagan", it's just that muslims are more blunt and to the point than Christians who try to sugar coat it. Yup, it's funny how each of them think they're superior to everyone "cause it's literally the only reason why they still believe". 😂

[genericname85]

you know that's the origin of gods :D if we'd have an argument about something back then, we'd claim to follow a god with superpowers to wreck our antagonist. that was actually quite successfull even though insanely stupid by todays standards. but one thing has to be noted about that: it did successfully prevent violence in many cases, cause the fear of god was actually effective. sadly it still is today and is abused for all sorts of abusive shit. guess people haven't come that far since 2000 years ago.

[Asker]

You're right! The fear of hell especially

[genericname85]

i mean for that there's a very catchy sentence i piced up from other non-believers. there's no evidence for the claim that there is such a thing as heaven or hell. that which is claimed without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence. easy as that.

and if they claim that those aren't places but states of being that you can go through in the here and now, then you can easily say: there's euphoria and depression. we have very good science for those things. no need for delusions of the ignorant ancestors.

[genericname85]

i still wanna know what you identify as tho :D or what backround you come from.

[Asker]

Most Religious beliefs have no scientific proof. I agree you're 100% right.
I DMed you on what I identify as 😊

[AlexanderAnttila]

False. Muhammad isn't even mentioned in the Bible. And he's a false prophet in Christianity who led people to worship a false teaching that denied Jesus as Son of God and the only path to Salvation. Thinking logically as well, why would Christians revere someone who ignited Muslim attacks and conquests over the Levant and Africa to pillage, raid and slaughter Christians and their kingdoms that predated Islam by hundreds of years?

[Asker]

Can you prove the comment of "Iamcoming" wrong?

[AlexanderAnttila]

I can and I did, easily so. Read the reply.

[Asker]

Okay. Thanks. I'm not muslim and I haven't deleted any of your replies.

[AlexanderAnttila]

I wasn't speaking with you in that comment but with the pink anon who said that Christians do not accept Muhammad's mention in the New Testament, to which I replied that he isn't mentioned at all.

[GingerCatLover]

The thing about Muhammad is he wasn't Islamic. He was a murderous warlord who saw a fledging culture that he could overtake, mold and turn into his own. That is why unlike most religions there are two books for Islam.

The Quran & the "Prophet" Muhammad "book" the Hadith designed to warp & twist the two teachings into one.

Most *true* Islamic Muslims belong to the lesser sects where a woman only wears a hijab mentioned in the Quran as a "scarf" if you would. Whereas the extremist versions where women wear the entire burka are followers of Muhammad and one could say emulating / jealous of Judaism as extreme Jewish cultures have something similar.

[Jamie05rhs]

Fascinating! I had never heard this take before.

[GingerCatLover]

@Jamie05rhs You're welcome. My mother's family all religious (as in priests, etc.) and I've always had an interest in the theory of religions at least.

[Jamie05rhs]

Cool!

[Twinrova]

No, it is the other way around; Muslims accept the Christian and Jewish prophets, and in fact, it causes them a great deal of problems. Muslims have internal contradictions in their own religion by accepting both Jesus and Muhammad as their prophets, because Jesus says that anyone who purports to be a prophet after he is gone is a fraud if they preach things that contradict Jesus' teachings. You know who is a great example of someone who claimed to be a prophet while contradicting Jesus' teachings? Muhammad xD. Just think about their teachings on forgiveness in general. Jesus thinks you should always be forgiven if you ask for it; Muhammad thinks you should be stoned to death for committing certain sins, such as adultery. He also advocated for wife-beating, lol. Also Muhammad was supremely racist and owned black slaves. Basically, if you defend Muhammad, you aren't a virtuous person; no, instead, you are the ultimate Uncle Tom.

[Iamcoming]

Muhammad is prophet for all humans. Jesus talk about Muhammad by Comforter name in John Bible 14:16. Pharaclit is mean of comforter in Latin language. Ahmad too mean of Pharaclit in Arabi language. And Ahmad is another name of Prophet Muhammad. But christians and jews dont believe it. If humans learn to the miracles Of Quran they believe to prophet Muhammad and become Muslim.

[AlexanderAnttila]

That's inaccurate. John 14:16 speaks of the Holy Spirit which is part of God's trinity, which is the Spirit God sends to Earth after Jesus' ascension to Heaven. John 15:26-27 says; “I will send you the Helper from the Father. The Helper is the Spirit of truth who comes from the Father". This is the Holy Spirit and the same entity as described in John 14. This is simply something Muslims have made up to try and discredit Christianity, and it's a very poor effort.

Let me instead ask you something, in your Quran, Sura: 5, Verse: 68 it states: "O people of the Book, you have no ground (for argument) until you follow the Torah and the Gospel". Your own book calls the Bible flawless, but if Christianity is false, your book tells you to obey a false document, but if Christianity is true, then Islam is admitting that and is false. How do you explain that?

[Asker]

You're delusional @Iamcoming
Stop claiming everytime that islam is the only "true" religion or allah is the god. Your cult began in the 7th century, so stop claiming that everything that predates it mention about your prophet or whatever, because it doesn't and you're being insecure just like the guy about whom quran talks about.

[Iamcoming]

@AlexanderAnttila We believe original Bible. But four bibles changed a bit. They are not entirely original. Human word mixed in some parts.

[AlexanderAnttila]

Be that as it may, that doesn't correspond with what the Sura says.
2 Timothy 3:16-17: "All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work."

[Iamcoming]

@AlexanderAnttila If Bible become correct the letters of priests dont write in bible. You can not see the letters of Müslim clergymans in Quran. But the letters of priests in Bible. So People intervened to bible.

[Iamcoming]

*İf Bible become original situation

[Iamcoming]

The letters of priests dont write in it

[AlexanderAnttila]

You're not making sense. For one thing your English is bad, and secondly I can't discern any sensible argument you're making. We can resume discussion once you've learnt proper English grammar.

[Iamcoming]

Already some priests wait to last prophet when Prophet Muhammad time. For example When Prophet Muhammad a child priest Sergio said he will become last prophet.

[AlexanderAnttila]

Still no idea what you're saying.

[Iamcoming]

@AlexanderAnttila yes ı am not so much succesful in English. I worked say this "ıf bible stay with originality it has not the letters of priests. İf you look at the bible you can see letters belong to priests. That is meaning "humans written Bible. İt is not belong to God now. Four bibles is not original Bible. " Because some parts written again by priests.

[AlexanderAnttila]

If you're saying what I think you're saying then that's ridiculous. Every single author in the Bible was led by God to write what they wrote, as well as the Apostles of Christ who were led entirely by the Holy Spirit. God watches over His word, He ensures that nothing is there that isn't supposed to be there, and that everything meant to be there is there. The Quran is entirely written by men as well, and changed over the centuries.

[Iamcoming]

Prophet Muhammad went to Syria with his uncle. He was a child. A priest saw they and call beside he. Priest Sergio talk with prophet Muhammad. And Priest said "This child is last prophet "

[AlexanderAnttila]

Some random priest calls Muhammad the last prophet and that's undeniable proof of Islam in its entirety to you? No.

[Iamcoming]

@AlexanderAnttila Quran is stay same situation. Proved by carbon 14 testing

[AlexanderAnttila]

No, it has not stayed the same.

[Iamcoming]

@AlexanderAnttila The four gospels have many contradactions. For example While the Matthew counts 40 People Until Abraham Counts The lineage of Jesus, Luke counts 55. According to Matthew Yahia is İlya and neither is John

[AlexanderAnttila]

That's not a contradiction. They simply start from different places. Matthew's gospel (Mat 1:2-16). Starts with Abraham and lists his descendants all the way down to Jesus. Luke's gospel (Luk 3:23-38). This genealogy starts with Jesus and follows his line up until God.

[Iamcoming]

@AlexanderAnttila According to Matthew Jesus met two madman in the land of Gadara. He is a madman according to mark and luca

[Iamcoming]

*He Met one madman according Mark and luca

[AlexanderAnttila]

Luke and Mark do not say that Jesus is a madman, that's just a lie.

[Iamcoming]

@AlexanderAnttila Luke and Marks say Jesus met one madman. Matthew say Jesus met two madmans. This is a contradaction in four Gospels

[Iamcoming]

İt is become in Gadara

[AlexanderAnttila]

Mark and Luke do not say that there was *only* one madman, they just choose to address the one that Jesus speaks to and asks for its name. So there's no contradiction as a contradiction only appears when one statement makes another impossible. It is not impossible or unlikely that there were two demon possessed men at Gedara, but that Mark and Luke only mentioned one of them.

[Iamcoming]

@AlexanderAnttila According to Matthew and Mark the mission of Jesus began after Yahia went to prison. According to John before Yahia went to prison.

[AlexanderAnttila]

Again no. They are simply starting the tale from different points of view, they don't disagree on when Jesus' started His mission, they are just telling it from their perspectives.

[Iamcoming]

@AlexanderAnttila If a book is written from peoples point of view it cannot belong to God. Because it is subjective.

[AlexanderAnttila]

No. Two things can be true at the same time here; They write of Jesus' life exactly as they are meant to as led by God, and the way they write it is in full harmony with the Bible's all parts, and, they also have their own perspectives within this, because God himself has many sides to Him.

[CountessSarah]

In all my years of talking about religion as a topic, the only people to ever talk about islams Muhammad in any positive light, have always been muslims. Nobody else cares.

[Dargil]

The opposite is true. Islam has always been a jealous poor imitation of Judaism.
Look at their entire history. Nothing but war, conquest and plunder.

[jshm2]

Yes.

Though technically Jesus is a prophet for the Jews too, but the Jews deny it.

[GingerCatLover]

Jesus & Muhammad's ideology both originates from the first Abrahamic religion... Judaism.

[Alexandrubaschet08]

No, Muhammad is no important in our religion is a nobady.

[Anonymous]

Nope. Muhammad is strictly Islam. Those that say that, are either ignorant or liars.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

No. Muhammed is a disgusting pedophile and delusional freak.

[Anonymous]

Indeed he is mentioned in Christians New Testament. But Christians do not accept

[SuccessfulHornDog]

We haven't been taught that

[Jamie05rhs]

No; sorry. It isn't true.

[Cubus]

No. Christians don't consider him their prophet.

[Anonymous]

No I do not even know Muhammad.

[J9inva]

No..

[Anonymous]

no lol