“In the beginning, Man created God. Then all the problems started.” Thoughts?

[Kingofkings1992]

Agree

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Other

[MCheetah]

Other: I don't believe in God or religion, but if that was true, then it'd technically be an accurate statement, albeit a little disingenuous. Because it was the talking armed and legged snake that really caused all the problems (although God is a real dum-dum, since he should've been smart enough to know mankind is too stupid to leave alone with magic knowledge fruit just laying all by itself), but this statement implies it was Eve/women that caused all the problems. Or perhaps, it's implying man causes all his own problems. I dunno. That's why I said other.

But here is the REAL answer to this question!

https://www.youtube.com/embed/9ly1LbG_FFM

in the beginning, there was HOWARD THE DUCK!!! 🦆

[Wade12345]

You need to take a philosophy 101 course. There is such a thing as a non-religious approach to proving God exists. Logical proofs are enough in geometry and trigonometry and airplanes and space ships work because logical proofs are in fact enough in the real world. So logical proofs of the existence of an Almighty God are all you need.

[OfDeath]

The problem with that is all the arguments for god are illogical.

[Wade12345]

@OfDeath

The Cosmological, Ontological, and Moral arguments are all very sound. I was even taught a version of the Cosmological argument in Philosophy 101 at LSU. On top of that, there is personal testimony and Divine Prophesy. I had a Divine dream which successfully prophesied the landfall location of a Category 5 hurricane almost two years ahead of time, which I shared here days after the dream, and you atheists reject the prophecy even after it came to pass. That's your problem, you reject all evidence presented to you no matter how sound it happens to be.

[Wade12345]

@OfDeath

It's impossible for an argument for god's existence to be illogical so long as no untrue statements are made. God is defined as the LOGOS and the Supreme Being, that is, "the rational Being which creates and governs reality." That's a Greek definition of God which pre-dates John's gospel by about 400 years, which is from around the same time the Greeks proposed the first Atomic theory of matter. "John" did not cite his references, and neither did Paul when he mentioned "things that do not appear" making up the "worlds". John claimed the revelation as his own and then perverted it to promote a false man-god. The Universe and Multiverse are logical because God is Logical. The Universe and Multiverse obey logical laws of mathematics, because God created those laws and definitions, and they never fail because God never fails. So the laws are always "turned on" and never random. Even quantum "randomness" is an illusion. If you know enough about the initial conditions of a system, you can predict quantum outcomes, otherwise quantum computation would be impossible.

[Wade12345]

The fact the Universe obeys rational laws proves the Creative event of the Universe was a rational event governed by a rational Mind, as opposed to the atheistic claim of the existence of the Universe being "Random". First of all, the anthropic principle is not explained away by an "Infinite multiverse". The Multiverse cannot be infinite. In 2008, Guthe et al proved no space-time continuum can ever be infinite, not even the Multiverse. Even agnostic physicists have had to admit this. The multiverse theory of string theory has 10^500 Universes. That's a very large number, but not infinite. The theory of "Eternal Inflation" has been rejected, and so has the theory that the Universe itself is either infinite or cyclical. Cyclical universes violate the Law of Entropy, so they cannot exist with the same laws of this universe or multiverse anyway.

[OfDeath]

"The Cosmological, Ontological, and Moral arguments are all very sound."

No they're not. We've actually been over these before too.

"On top of that, there is personal testimony and Divine Prophesy."

Personal testimony does not constitute reliable evidence in science. People's minds are unreliable. There are no examples of "divine prophesy" which satisfy specificity requirements.

"I had a Divine dream which successfully prophesied the landfall location of a Category 5 hurricane almost two years ahead of time, which I shared here days after the dream, and you atheists reject the prophecy even after it came to pass."

Because you live in a place where hurricanes are common and becoming more common. You need to be specific to the hour and the have every detail right, if you want a vague guess like that to be considered divine prophesy. And even then, you still couldn't know if it was actually god giving you the information or some other kind of super intelligence like aliens or something.

"because God is Logical."

No it isn't. No logical foundation for god which doesn't break down has ever been presented by anyone. At the base level of logic we're capable of hypothesizing, the idea of a creator god relies on conditions which obviate it.

[sean1234]

One has to have eyes to see and ears to hear the truth. The Bible says there will be those that don't. People out there soo blind, you couldn't prove to them the sky is blue. I've seen too much proof of God's existence everywhere I go. If satan doesn't blind people mentally, then why can't people not see for instance that the Sunday Sabbath is not only NOT in the KJV BIBLE, but the only chapters and verses that talk about it just about condemn it to death? For example.>>> Hebrews chapters 3 and 4

... What, people are stubborn? Stupid? All people that fail at math will acknowledge why they failed and understand why, maybe not understand the problem completely, but still. Same with other school subjects. A student will never say "let's just agree to disagree" 🤣 ... unless it's a intentional debate class thing.

[Xtcy2083]

I'm an atheist and even I disagree with that. "All" the problems? Really?
Are you next going to tell me that secular regimes, like Stalin's USSR, were paradise on earth with perfect, virtuous citizens running the joint?

[Jackblue]

I know longer believe in God, but no not really. Whether we believed in him or not we were always going to be tormented by disease and death. Our children were likely to die before their fifth birthday, and even kings were lucky to make it to sixty. God was a comfort to those grieving a loved one's death.

[jshm2]

You're out of depth even thinking about such matters, kid.

Finish high school first, then we'll talk.

[sean1234]

No, In the beginning, the problems started when Satan broke all 10 commandments from the 10th to the 1st, thought he was God and was kicked out of Heaven.

[Savage_Wisdom]

Not to be that guy, but I do feel the need to point out that everything was perfect until Eve came along.

[NamerOfStars]

Anyone who thinks that humanity is somehow ethically BETTER without religion needs to take another look at history and psychology.

[najekim]

Agree. Religion is a man-made tool to allow a chosen few, AKA the clergy, to interfere and control the lives of the religion's followers whom were brow beaten and/or forced to join when established.

[Anonymous]

Probably wasn't in the beginning. But, yeah, at some point...

[Anonymous]

The fallen nature of mankind started in the Garden of Eden, when Adam and Eve (GODs Creation) trusted the Serpent Satan

[strateguy632]

false

[Abdulwahh]

I think how can man create god that is blasphemous

[Goforit1010]

Strongly disagree!