Is America a Christian Nation?

[OddBeMe]

“Get ready to see stars…commies!”

Yes

No

Other

[goaded]

Republicans, over 200 years later, pretend they know better than the people who literally founded the country.

1797: The Treaty of Peace and Friendship between the United States of America and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli, or Barbary:

"As the Government of the United States…is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion–as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity of Musselmen–and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

Endorsed by Secretary of State Timothy Pickering and President John Adams. It was then sent to the Senate for ratification; the vote was unanimous.

[Agagagagaga]

Translation:

“Republicans bad.”

🙄

[goaded]

@Agagagagaga Correct, for once. Who knows better the basis on which the country was founded, you or the people who founded it?

[Agagagagaga]

Well, I think it’s safe to say that Americans know better than a goddamn Kraut. 🖕

[goaded]

@Agagagagaga Ah, you're back to being completely wrong again. Who knows better the basis on which the country was founded, you or the people who founded it?

[Agagagagaga]

You’re the one who goes out of his way to denigrate America and Americans every goddamn chance you get. So fuck you. I hope you get cancer. 🤷‍♂️

[goaded]

@Agagagagaga Still wrong. I denegrate people who pretend, for example, they know better than the people who literally founded the country what principles the country was founded on.

Hint: it was the Enlightenment: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Enlightenment

[Daniela1982]

Started out that way but it is diminishing every day and becoming more like the people in the days of Noah. Sexual immorality is epidemic across the world. Sex tourism is everywhere. Pedophilia is everywhere, epidemic in Japan. Marriage is no longer sacred. People have sex with multiple other partners and are still married to someone else, having no conscience about the whole thing. Prostitution is everywhere. 2nd Timothy 3:1-5 foretold that in the last days people would live only for pleasures, backbiters, high-minded, boasters, disobedient to parents, fierce and lacking any natural feelings. People have become shallow, having no feelings, no happiness, no substance. It's all a part of the New Age Movement. The workplace is saturated with sexual promiscuousness, sleeping around and open adultery. Even some liberal churches are embracing the gay lifestyle.

[TheoPfeifle]

No... It started secular. Separation of church and state. The great awakening of the 1730's and 1740's was a strong catalyst. It was later, in the 19th century, that the second great awakening turned the population into zealots who fail to understand separation of church and state... And that fallacy perpetuates, today.

[888theGreat]

People will be lovers of themselves. Lets face it , sex is a God of its own now. God is jealous of all other Gods. Sex, money, football, and yes even animals , alcohol and drugs. Most everyone has a God besides the real God. Gambling too. If people think of any of these first thing in the morning and the last thing at night , then they have God other than the real God and are in danger.

[Guy__]

@888theGreat it's interesting that you're still playing the trumpet. Aren't you? A high level crossdressing Jesuit channeling the clockwork elves or however you wish to call it. If so you're contributing to the problem.

[Daniela1982]

@Guy__ Every time you post an opinion you seem more out of it. Too much pot again?

[Guy__]

I've never touched pot in my life. However your response shows how you're unable to process the simple message I shared, which indicates you may've caused pot yourself?
Or whatever else is the reason you're unable to maintain a conversation started by yourself?

[Guy__]

Donna trump is a high level secret society member. And they do all sorts of rituals that invite those entities you may call demons, these entities aid them in this unbelievably orchestrated political shit show... and a high level Masonic ritual is becoming androgynous. Many ancient gods are known as androgynous, as well as Egyptian kings, etc.
That's why all presidents are trannies, it's their religion.

Obviously being a dump supporter is insane.

[BlueScorpio]

Sadly it hasn't been in a really long time. But most of our laws are biblical. Most people don't like the act of murder, thievery, lying, adultery etc. And these are all things from the Bible we still uphold.

[dynamicyandere]

I wouldn’t say so.


There’s the separation of church and state.


Also, American society doesn’t necessarily uphold Christian values and practices.


How much of our legal system, education system, or business sector is based on biblical teachings?


And, “believing in God” doesn’t make someone a Christian as there are many religions that also believe in a God. What’s supposed to set Christianity apart is adherence to the Bible.


And, how much of American society and culture can you see tracing back to biblical texts?


So yeah, I wouldn’t say America is a Christian nation.


It’s more eco-friendly than it is Christian. But, you wouldn’t even consider America an eco-friendly nation because the people who truly live an eco-friendly lifestyle do not represent the majority of the population.

[jshm2]

Nope.

Thomas Jefferson actually based his ideals off Islam and Muslims - it's where he developed his ideas of toleration of "foreigners". Hence why religious freedom was made a constitutional right - instead of the insular Christian Ideals that existed in Europe at the time.

You need to remember that Christians have been killing each other, and other faiths, almost from the first day Constantine made the faith an empire.

[bean2k21]

Where in the world did you hear that load of shit? Jefferson was influenced by the writings of John Locke. There was very little Muslim presence in the U. S., but he was certainly aware of them and promoted tolerance.

[OddBeMe]

@bean2k21 he can have multiple influences. The Wahabists hadn't ruined Islamic countries yet.

[dustybiker]

I wonder how many Americans became turned on with that image… Creepy as all out.

[OddBeMe]

Gets me hard.

[Lynx122]

More than any other country. The separation of church and state is challenged more there than in Europe I can tell you that.

[OddBeMe]

Funny how Europe has defined state relfigions yet is the most secular. The US is a secular country and is the most religious.

[Stoner710]

Yes the United States is Christian nation Christianity is a dominant religion in the United States I think it’s about 76% of all Americans are Christian Not to mention that
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other

[OddBeMe]

Yet christianity isn't mentioned at all…

[Blueeyes81]

How many of that 76% are Christian on paper only.
About 15 years ago I worked with a pedo who then got charged with rape. The guy had been to church 3 times in his life but his grandmother told him he was a Presbyterian as a child. So having never practiced his religion or read the bible yet he still professed that he was a christian. That 76% means nothing.

[Stoner710]

Christianity isn’t mentioned however the majority of the founders were Christian’s some like Ben Franklin were deists. But to John Adam’s point is it doesn’t make sense for agnostics or atheist is doesn’t make sense. You have the new age atheists like Richard Dawkins or Sam Harris or even Ayn Raid who try to take the religious Christian’s aspects but claim there humans some how came to these logical conclusion ourselves rather then humans need religion to have some sort of proper civilization otherwise rules and regulations don’t murder steal or rape makes no sense what’s so ever. Ben Shapiro when he debated Sam Harris basically said that the reason why Sam Harris believe what is good and bad (don’t murder don’t steal don’t rape). All come from Christianity and religious moral virtue. If we’re all just bodies floating in space then there is no reason for virtue or morality it doesn’t exist. They also like to sight the idea of natural law. Well natural law mix with Darwinism that if a girl doesn’t want to have sex with a guy then that guy should just take what he wants from her regardless of her wishes. For tomorrow we die and become worm food so why not have as much pleasure and fun in our lives screw morals and society and virtue because ultimately nothing matters. This is what the founders meant when they founded our society. “We were endowed by our creator with unalienable rights”. This subjects that the bill of rights and the constitution was build for a Christian people. Without it our system makes no sense. Even John Locke the liberal who came up with the Philosophy in the United States was built on said you have the right to join any religion you want but you do not have the right to believe in no god John Locke felt that atheist should be locked up for life in the Tower of London

[Ill_made_Knight]

It is not supposed to have an "official", or state sposored religion. If this weren't true we wouldn't have had so many come here to escape religious persecution.
The majority religion is surely Christianity, it is spread across a number of variations under that major header though.
Some of these more radical Christians apparently want to impose their beliefs on others in a very legal sense though, and this goes against what America was intended to be.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

No. There are a lot Christians in this country (the most in the world by profession) but the vaules of this country isn't Christian values.

America highly encourages greed, materialism and leads the world in porn production.

[OddBeMe]

(Checking out the Vatican) Those sound like religious traits…

[WhitneySnow]

A lot of red states are. Blue states not so much.

[OddBeMe]

Technically you're right and wrong. They have Christian laws that can’t be enforced. I’m a texan atheist and thus barred from holding public office. But there are plenty of atheist lawmakers. Mostly in austin.

[WhitneySnow]

That’s unconstitutional!

[OddBeMe]

Yeah, if they tried to enforce it, which they never do. But there are a lot of crazy laws that would cost too much tax money to get rid of. Like only chair owners can attend pig farms. Or some crazy shit from the 1800s.

[SushiSxnpai]

I’m not American, but I’d say most people aren’t religious.

[OddBeMe]

Polls are pretty consistent that 80% are. But there's also the peer pressure or societal pressure. So I do agree the number of actual unreligious or even atheists are much much more.

[SushiSxnpai]

Yep. Especially with younger generations, in my experience.

[888theGreat]

Out of that 80% , very few can quote one scripture from the bible. Don't attend church. They think good works and not murdering anyone gets them into Heaven. They say they are Christian because they think that is what people want to hear.

[SushiSxnpai]

@888theGreat They also probably claim they are Christian as well because their parents were too, needless to say they aren’t religious at all.

[OddBeMe]

@888theGreat but none of that a Christian makes.

[Savantine]

It Never Has been, I'm Very Glad for that. Though The Trump Cult Apostates are trying to make it such.

[Stoner710]

So explain to me why John Adams said
“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other“ the founders didn’t want to select a religion primarily because of the wars between Catholics and protestants. But the United States has to be a Christian nation otherwise our constitution and way of life makes no sense

[OddBeMe]

@Stoner710 it doesn't have to be a christian nation. And adams could be saying a ‘religiously free’ country.

[AndrésC64]

@Stoner710 How do you figure that the United States has to be a Christian nation or our constitution doesn't work when neither the Bible nor God are mentioned in the Constitution?

[Stoner710]

@AndrésC64 so the constitution doesn’t say anything about god your correct, the justification Thomas Jefferson gave as to why we were fighting for independence is religiously biased “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness“ if the founders did not intend for the United States to be a Christian nation these words would make no sense of course the key word in the Declaration of Independence is CREATOR. Otherwise there was no justification for a revolution against the British government.

[Stoner710]

Now religious freedom was a staple of the American colonies prior to the revolution there were the pilgrims came to the Massachusetts colony to be able to practice there religious beliefs without free of persecution. The Jamestown and Roanoke settlers were Anglicans, You also gotta remember there were Dutch and French colonists which joined the British the Anglo-Dutch Wars the Dutch were mainly Anabaptists, particularly the Mennonites, and the Dutch Reformed or Calvinists then after the French and Indian war which the British won were primarily Catholic. So the founders in keeping with the tradition of religious freedom knowing the vast number of religious in the new formed United States wanted there citizens to be able to keep there religious beliefs and not force anyone into one denomination of Christianity over the other. Which of course would just cause religious wars in the United States as they did in Europe for hundreds of years and even into the 20th century with the Irish Catholic and Irish protestants in the Irish revolution in the 1910s and early 1920s.

This is why the United States is a Christian nation we were formed under the basis of Christianity our system was set up so that we could have multiple sects of Christianity so no one would feel pressured to join a certain form of Christianity and other religious like Mohammedan (more commonly known now as Muslims) could also immigrant to the United States if they so choice same with Buddhist Hindus and Confucianists they wanted to make everyone feel comfortable with being able to practice there religion as they saw fit.

[AndrésC64]

@Stoner710 it doesn't matter what he said in his personal life. What matters is the Constitution.

[Stoner710]

@AndrésC64 as far as the legal law sure, about when you boil it down beyond the constitution there’s a reason why it was set up that way. And why John Adams said “our constitution was made for a moral religious people it’s holy in adequate to the government of any other” this was pretty much in the middle of the enlightenment. He knew exactly what he was saying. Think about the philosophy and Logic that went into the constitution in in 1789 versus what you want to believe in 2022. This is why originalism is important because you can understand what they meant at the time it was written this is why Clarence Thomas is the best Supreme Court justice in America right now because he is an Originalist

[AndrésC64]

"Legal law"? As opposed to "illegal law"?

And Thomas is the biggest hypocrite there is on scotus. If the Constitution were followed as written he would never even have had the chance to sit on the bench. Such a clueless douche.

[Stoner710]

@AndrésC64 The constitution explicitly says that there are legal amendments that can be made but it takes a super majority to make those legal amendments. So since the 14th amendment was written in 1866 you have to follow what it meant in 1866. Therefore Clarence Thomas is correct and his assessment of the constitution Elena Kagan Sonia Sotomayor Thomas Roberts and the new one is wrong interpretation of the constitution. If Democrats had the vote to and drying abortion into the constitution they could do that tomorrow if Republicans had a super majority they could vote in that life begins at conception and the constitution amendments are acceptable

[AndrésC64]

Thomas wants to have his cake and eat it too. The way the Constitution was originally written, and he is an originalist, he wouldn't even have had the chance to be there, according to the original Constitution. He's a hypocrite and a moron.

[Stoner710]

@AndrésC64 OK so all of constitutional originals want its cake and do it to it says in the constitution of the constitution could be amended otherwise yeah sure let’s go back to the original one how do you feel about that? Or is the constitution completely worthless to you? You got understand the constitution is a Dead document until Congress amends it. I know liberals like to say and think that is an alive document. But it is not alive it is dead it is written law unless Congress so chooses to do chest compressions and bring it back to life to amend it.

[AndrésC64]

@Stoner710 oh really? So the Supreme Court should do absolutely no interpretation? It should go strictly on the words written?

[Stoner710]

@AndrésC64 yes I think SCOTUS should interpret the constitution as it was written when it was written. Article V in the constitution says the constitution can be amended with a super majority so amendments are acceptable, But if an amendment was written in 1866 you have to interpret that amendment when it was written 1866 and yes it should be strictly enforced. So there is no right to abortion in the constitution that issue gets left up to the states, there is no constitutional right to homosexual sodomy or gay marriage that gets left up to the states, there not even a right to contraception in the constitution that is left up to the states, or if Congress wants to pass a bill legalizing homosexual sodomy or homosexual marriage or contraception or abortion that’s up for congress to make that decision not the Supreme Court.

[AndrésC64]

@Stoner710 You can't interpret something "as written". You either interpret it, or you follow it as written. You can't do both.

[Stoner710]

@AndrésC64. OK then you should follow it as it was written. Every gas station does not say anything about abortion it is up to Congress to pass a constitutional amendment regarding the issue of abortion either for or against (i’m using this example because it’s a recently valid issue). Which means the federal Congress doesn’t get a say in whether or not Texas or California or Florida or Washington state or New York or Alabama wants to have a abortion legal or not the federal government has no say in abortion law unless they want to pass a constitutional amendment saying abortion is illegal throughout all 50 states or abortion is legal throughout the 50 states.

[AndrésC64]

@Stoner710 Cool. When are you and the rest of you right when you're going to hand over your guns?

[AndrésC64]

@Stoner710 Cool. When are you and the rest of you right wingers going to hand over your guns?

[Stoner710]

@AndrésC64 of course we’re not going to do that the constitution protects our right to bear arms

[AndrésC64]

@Stoner710 Wrong.

"A WELL REGULATED MILITIA, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

You, Biff and Billy Bob from Paducah are not part of a well regulated militia.

Try again?

[Stoner710]

@AndrésC64 oh yes they are, you know what happened after that well regulated militia was done practicing the men would take there guns home with them there wasn’t a weapon barn there the guns were stored until they met again for practice. They brought there guns home with them they brought the canons home with them A lot of cannons in the United States were privately owned not owned by the federal government.

[AndrésC64]

@Stoner710 Wrong. You do not have the right to own a weapon according to the Constitution as it was written. Do you know when the Supreme Court INTERPRETED the Second Amendment to allow everyone to have guns?

[Stoner710]

@AndrésC64 District of Columbia v. Heller in 2008 it was one of the first cases brought that questioned the 2nd amendment. But again the founders would have agreed with that interpretation. This is why I said that you have to interpret the constitution during the time it was written. And again the constitution is so vague that you have to interpret it but that does not mean that you can go in 1973 and suggest that the people who wrote the 14th amendment in 1866 meant it for abortion or anything like that. The constitution is so vague that you have to interpret it that’s why the founders made it so vague. Otherwise you might as well abandon the constitution all together because of how vague it is

[AndrésC64]

@Stoner710 Exactly. 235 years after it was written, SCOTUS INTERPRETED, " a WELL-REGULATED MILITIA" to mean any Tom, Dick or Harry.

[Stoner710]

@AndrésC64 at the time any Tom Dick and Harry was the well regulated militia you having a gun over your fireplace was the proper place to put again so you could grab it and join them militia if we were ever invaded so if we are invaded in 2022 I can grab the gun over my fireplace or in my safe where it’s at and go shoot the goddamn Chinese Russians North Korean whoever the fuck invaded us. The well regulated militia was every Tom Dick and Harry beyond that technically we are all supposed to practice as a group not only shooting firearms but military drills as well we don’t do that job we should start doing that

[AndrésC64]

@Stoner710 "WELL REGULATED MILITIA.

[AndrésC64]

@Stoner710 You are not part of a militia. Follow what the Constitution actually says, as you claimed to want, instead of an interpretation that you like.

[Stoner710]

@AndrésC64 I am actually part of a militia we get together and practice all the time, But I’m pretty sure you hate our militia and think we’re terrorists

[AndrésC64]

Is your militia "WELL REGULATED"? No. And the rest of your statement is nothing more than ad hominem.

[HippieVeganJewslim]

America ain’t no nation; it’s a continent. If y’all mean the damn Yankeeland, also no, as there’s the freedom of religion and freedom of choice in the human rights. I’ve lived in the damn Yankeeland and been to several masājid and visited a Buddhist temple and met many people there of various faiths.

[AndrésC64]

America is a nation. Maybe you should use the Google.

[Guy__]

@AndrésC64 it's a corporation...

[TheoPfeifle]

@AndrésC64

The UNITED STATES of America is a nation... Of America... The continent.

America is one of two continents... North or South America. That's like saying Africa is a nation... Or Asia is a nation.

I'm afraid Google isn't going to support your point.

[AndrésC64]

Oh god, another SovCit clown. 🤡

[AndrésC64]

People call this country America for short because it's part of our name. 🤦🏼‍♂️

[OddBeMe]

Its colloquial usage. United…blah blah of America.

[888theGreat]

1) No , just Christian in name only.

2) Nothing wrong with having guns. God said take care of your Temple (Body) . If someone is trying to rape you or kill you , a gun protects the Temple. Also no drugs and alcohol. No cutting yourself. No over eating. No skipping sleep.

3) Amen

[OddBeMe]

I luv ya but thats the dumbest excuse for guns yet. Lol.

[Dingsbums]

As far as I know u get censored for saying Jesus

[OddBeMe]

Pronounced “HeyZeus”

[Jenny-Marie]

A nation with more civilian guns than civilians. On average more than one school shooting a week and more than one mass shooting a day. A culture where skin colour is a huge issue. A hugely materialistic society.
Any person or nation can claim to be God fearing, but it is the way we live that matters. The US does not live a true Christian lifestyle, it's all talk.

[MissingAWoman]

Take the weapons away from criminals but not law abiding citizens.

[Greergr]

Not entirely, there are atheists and there are a variety of religious folk that don't subscribe to christianity.

[TroyDT]

Definitely founded as Christian-friendly, but not Christian.

[OddBeMe]

I’ll go with that. As long as you know all the pledges and god crap on our money was done in the 1950s….

[TroyDT]

Yup, as am alleged "counter" to the "red" threat.

[OddBeMe]

Yeah…. funny that vast vast majority of soviets were highly orthodox.

[TroyDT]

As proven by how quickly the Russian Orthodox Church took over after the Fall of the USSR. I know we disagree on a lot of things, but I really enjoy people with different viewpoints who think and know deeper things. Actually prefer that to those who agree with me without knowing why.

[Snsl153]

No, of course not. Most of the people over there are completely mental.

[God_of_Thunder]

Not according to the Treaty of Tripoli

[goaded]

You beat me to it!

[God_of_Thunder]

@goaded Haha, even so; more correct answers are better. 👍

[DarkWinterNights]

It was founded on Judeo-Christian values however with the current level of societal decay I don’t think it’s fair to call it one.

[OddBeMe]

Funny, we moved away from judeo christian principles after removing slavery.

[DarkWinterNights]

Christianity was the moral reasoning for abolishing slavery. We moved away from Christianity within the last 50 years or so.

[Anonymous]

At best, it is ancient history, and it should stay that way.

[OddBeMe]

May zeus strike you dead. Or come onto to you disguised as a goat. He was a crazy fcker lol

[Anonymous]

If it weren’t for the founding fathers using biblical inspiration when creating the constitution and bill of rights, we would be a failed nation right now no doubt. Are we a Christian nation? Not much anymore, but there are some who still uphold those values.