If god controlled everything would the world be perfect?

[OddBeMe]

Because I guess an all powerful super being doesn’t…?

Yes

No

[ManOnFire]

People never want God involved in the world or to take away their power, ability to choose, etc., until their power and ability to choose starts hurting everyone else, then they're ready to say God doesn't exist or he's a bad guy just because he leaves us to do what we want and reap the consequences.

Evading personal responsibility is one of man's greatest games.

[OddBeMe]

You do realize the obvious paradox of your belief right?

Go is all powerful and created us, be he gave us free will. That’s impossible. If he’s all powerful and knows the future, we have no free will.

[ManOnFire]

He knows what we're going to do with our free will. And he knows what he wants to do with his too. So when you decide you want to kill someone he's going to sit back and let you have the free will to do it, hoping maybe you'll use the brain he gave you to actually decide not to, because you know better and you know right from wrong. You didn't want him to dictate your life, right? Well, he's giving you what you want. So your future is determined by your actions.

[OddBeMe]

That’s literally, figuratively, definitonally NOT free will.

[ManOnFire]

Thar absolutely IS free will. You're being given what you want, which is to do what you want. If you get hurt by it who's fault is it? Yours or God's?

[OddBeMe]

If he know what we’re going to choose, how is that choice?

[ManOnFire]

@OddBeMe You're trying to dodge the question. I could know what you're about to do too and not try to stop you. Does that mean you don't have free will.

[OddBeMe]

If you made me, no.

[OddBeMe]

And have the power to change my life magically.

[Anonymous]

Feeling bored and thought you’d come around to troll the believers, huh?

God bless atheists are annoying. You’re worse than those crazy wanna-be preachers you see screaming at cars and people on a street corner. They are stationary. And really none can hear them for very far or long, anyways.

But you—and people like you?

Well this is just what you do for kicks.

It’s pretty sad.

[OddBeMe]

Such easy prey when I’m bored

[OddBeMe]

Sorry I like kicking people in the balls with logic and reason. We severely lack both in America.

[EmmaMary]

Well this surely proves that this "God" individual doesn't exist, otherwise the world would be perfect, wouldn't it?

[strateguy632]

to emma the garden story answered that. genesis chapter 3, taught they did have a garden perfect world. but then people sinned and cain murdered his brother abel... we humans, myself included, ruined the world. and people are not "prevented from choosing evil".

[EmmaMary]

@strateguy632

This really is a load of complete and utter Bollox.

[OddBeMe]

Emma, your gender did screw it up for the entire human population. Women,…

[EmmaMary]

@OddBeMe

Really? On what basis do you assume this?

[OddBeMe]

Didn’t even eat the apple?

I was only joking. It’s all made up bullshit to keep you in your place. Lol

[OddBeMe]

*Eve

[EmmaMary]

@OddBeMe

Fair enough I hold my hands up, you certainly caught me out this time! lol

[OddBeMe]

Damn you women!!!

[EmmaMary]

Thank you for the MHO.

[OddBeMe]

You women don’t deserve mho for kicking us out of Eden. Lol

[Honest-Matt]

God wants us to be responsible for making a perfect world. We are free under his guidance to make the decisions we choose to make. Whether they are good or sinful, that freewill is what we are judged by. God being all powerful will not affect the world, instead he delivers choices that appear every day and our choices decide if it's a miracle.

[strateguy632]

superb presentation

[OddBeMe]

So we’re under his guidance, yet keep failing. That’s a shit teacher.

[Honest-Matt]

Failure is one of the best signs of progress, with or without religion, people who fail and keep moving forward will always be better off than someone who doesn't act for fear of failure. I believe God puts us in positions of failure and triumph for this reason because we needed to learn something from it.

[OddBeMe]

I’m just wondering why we worship god when he A) doesn’t help and B) refuses to when he has the power….

[Honest-Matt]

What would we learn if he gave us everything. What would be the point of our existence. God delivers challenges and triumphs that we can choose to face bravely and accept the rewards or resign and be sloven in sin.

[OddBeMe]

How many loved ones would be alive?

[richardcory]

Isn't that already the case? God made the world, and he is omniscient and omnipotent - it can't avoid being exactly what he wants it to be.

Based on that I have some serious disagreements with what God seems to think is a perfect world

[OddBeMe]

If so he’s a shit god.

[strateguy632]

if, then yes, but he chose not to control. there is a gap between can't and does not control by decisions. why not control? so we can choose between good and evil.

[OddBeMe]

He made us, which means he made our psychology. Right?

[Stoner710]

Yes, it would but God does not want us to be robots, so he gets a free well in order to make her own decisions. Without free well no evil would exist.

[OddBeMe]

So women are raped, people are killed and Jews and Armenians are gneicided all so god doesn’t “feel like he made robots?”

[Stoner710]

Yup all in the name of free will and supposedly he hates evil so I don’t quite get how free will is allowed to exist if he exists. Sounds like a dick move to me

[exitseven]

Maybe god does control everything and maybe if the world was perfect it would be too boring. He makes conflict and all kinds of nastiness just for entertainment.

[OddBeMe]

All the rape victims love being entertainment.

[strateguy632]

to exit, that Did describe comic books such as dc, a great story but if i do good nobody compelled me to do good. human greed is almost always the cause for conflicts. not god.

[Juxtapose]

People have a disgusting lack of imagination here. A paradise would not be boring, you would be incapable of being bored -_-

[OddBeMe]

What if my paradise conflicted with your paradise?

[Juxtapose]

We would exist in our paradises while still existing in the same space. Trivial for divine magic.

Or everyone would be changed to think the same way.

[Dargil]

In G0d's perfection, He gives us Free Will, unlike the WEF that wants to take it away.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Obviously it would be. God is all powerful and nothing is out of His reach of doing.

[msc545]

Nothing is ever perfect

[genericname85]

why would there even be a world?

[Anonymous]

not gonna happen he gave everyone free will

[OddBeMe]

Yet he has the power over everything?

[strateguy632]

to odd, we can rephrase, god can push my hand to give charity, like the new film hypnotic , but instead lets me choose to which charity i give.

[OddBeMe]

@strateguy632 how do you he affect your choice? And god made you, which means he made your brain and your psychology. So he is responsible.