You can't prove God doesn't exist. But you can't prove leprechauns don't exist, so do you believe in leprechauns?

[John_Doesnt]

You can't prove a negative, so doesn't every God believer accept that they can't prove leprechauns don't exist or do they actually believe in leprechauns?

You have to worship one!

[richardcory]

God and leprechauns have the same issue - they are not sufficiently well defined to discuss whether they exist. God can be anything from a vague notion of goodness to a bearded buy sitting on a throne in the clouds.

[FunkyMonkee]

I can prove god doesn't exist! Sept. 11th 2001! Me losing my house and half of my life because of my evil, greedy ex-sisters! Charlie Manson! That guy in charge of the Jonestown cult!

[OfDeath]

That indicates god is either evil, doesn't care, doesn't know or actually can't do anything about those things. But unfortunately it isn't solid proof of the absence of gods from existence.

Tough break on your misfortune. I hope it gets better man.

[FunkyMonkee]

@OfDeath If it's NOT going to help in your most dire time of need, what the point of believing in it or having it?

Thanks! I hope so, too but, it's not looking like it! I may be living on the streets in a few months!

[FunkyMonkee]

@OfDeath Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god?

Epicurus

[strateguy632]

to funk, content greed, that and other 3 are ALL human choice. people do bad. the fact god did not stop a sin only showed he allowed choice and waited for people to change.

[strateguy632]

, content mal-evolent. imagine a world, everybody who chose to murder, their gun and knife disappeared or the chooser died first to save the victim. people seeing that would not be overcoming evil urges, just fear.

[FunkyMonkee]

@strateguy632 Rrrrright!! But, it's okay to let innocent people die and then just toss the asshole in jail for decades while WE pay his way in life!!

[FunkyMonkee]

@strateguy632 to strate: What's the point of having a god if it's not gonna do shit to help anyone?
The point is, mom was a good Catholic girl but god allowed my greedy, evil ex-sisters to fuck her and I over.
And, for all the millions, if not billions of people on the planet praying their asses of that NO ONE gets hurt on Sept. 11th, god didn't flinch a single muscle to help ANY OF THEM!! He just sat back and allowed Cheney to kill 3000 INNOCENT people just so he could start another war!!
At Jonestown, he allowed that psycho to kill all those innocent people that worshiped god and, HOW did he help them? BY IGNORING THEM!!

[jshm2]

The question is moot, as only created things "exist". God cannot be created and He can have no beginning or end. only "gods" can be created and destroyed, hence why they make good comic characters.

As for leprechauns, they actually do exist. Small minded people like you are called leprechauns. You think you do magical shit, but we ply you with drinks to keep you dancing instead.

Also, if it's "pink" then it cannot be "invisible". English must be your second language or you need to troll smarter, not harder.

[John_Doesnt]

what a sad little rant filled with insults. Did I hurt your feelings or shake your faith?

[genericname85]

no, i don't believe any wild claims about fantasy characters. that goes for unicorns as well as for god.

[strateguy632]

how can you equate fiction? the authors never claimed unicorns or other creatures, dangerous vampires were real.

Dracula was never claimed to be a documentary film about deaths in england. imagining "something not real" is possible and fiction never claimed to be a biology lesson book.

[strateguy632]

furthermore, my reply is to your question but if the missionary started by claiming god is real, and you responded thar, then logically he can return to topic "either way, real or not , god is real. so dont try to change the subject".

[strateguy632]

furthermore the claim "can't prove" is criticism of atheists, not proof of the inverse. add the relevant part, "how can you be an atheist when you can't prove your own atheist claim." the one who believes god is not CAUSED by can't prove no, but by book and experience. that claim is not the cause of faith but just challenged atheism as above. we see many steps away from rational thought.

[John_Doesnt]

There is a bible thumper below who just quoted "proof" of unicorns. So yes the bible did suggest unicorns are real, but apparently Christians can't count because rhinos have two horns.

[nolookingbackx]

Reductio ad absurdum - it's that kind of argument you're using.

[John_Doesnt]

So you agree with me? Because Reductio ad absurdum has often proved be to useful in philosophy. Examples include: The Earth cannot be flat; otherwise, since the Earth is assumed to be finite in extent, we would find people falling off the edge.
There is no smallest positive rational number because, if there were, then it could be divided by two to get a smaller one.
All of which are true.

[nolabels]

I don't think that we would "find" the people who fall off the edge of the Earth.
I'm pretty sure that they'd really be gone forever.

Sarcasm.
I couldn't resist.

[ButthurtGAGpeople1]

But can you prove they exist?

[John_Doesnt]

Can you prove God exists?

[ButthurtGAGpeople1]

Yeah

[OfDeath]

Go on then. I'd like to hear this.

[ButthurtGAGpeople1]

@OfDeath I never said I can. I asked, can you prove god exists.

You can't prove he/she doesn't exist, but can you then prove god does exist, too

[OfDeath]

Oh I see.