Or when you simply say something like, "I don't believe in Darwinism. I remain to be convinced". Could it be because, deep down, they know that it can't be true, and letting go of a false ideology that means so much to them is just too difficult?
This is coming from the same lady who praised the communist dictator Fidel Castro.
For the record I believe humans have been around for longer then 8 thousand years. I believe genesis is allegorical. But I can’t nor won’t ever believe humans beings evolved from a simple life form. That’s like saying lightening hit a rock and created a perfectly functioning watch. Random lightning somehow melted and molded all the mineral alloys into a perfect function machine. It’s impossible.
And as for matter itself (solids, liquids, gases, plasma) has it existed for infinity? Where did infinity start? Did matter just spontaneously come into existence?
Anyway I will never change your mind and that’s fine. But quit your arrogant condescending bs with Could it be because, deep down, they know that it can't be true, and letting go of a false ideology that means so much to them is just too difficult?
Really lady quit your ANTItheist condescension. There is a difference between atheists and ANTItheists. And your exposing the latter and STOP IT. Because honestly vice versa can be said about people like you. People like you are acting zealous to compensate over a deep down doubt you are grappling with. Either that you think it’s “woke and hip” to have that condescension. You think you are “on to something” but in reality ANTItheism is nothing new. Marx, Mussolini, Hitler, Stalin and many other communists/fascists and/or brutal dictators were atheists. Many proudly so.
And to be honest for your sake I actually hope you are right. Because if you aren’t then you will one day be asked from a higher power about it. It would be better that you are right vs me being right.
fascists and nazis are christians
@siri137 did you ever admit he was a dictator?
@verylovelyguy well it’s funny you say that because Christians aren’t the ones chanting the genocidal slogan “from the river to the sea” right now.
to @blueonblack22 , content matter, i also wondered about that! if a rock can't die it could exist infinite future and equaly past but... the faith of science is the universe started... has a "in the beginning". and an age.
@strateguy632 when you get deeper into astrophysics and cosmology it gets harder to believe that it all happened by random chance.
That’s not to say I haven’t had moments of doubt in my life. I was agnostic for most of my 20s. But as I get older I just can’t believe that everything exists out of chance. Especially conscious thought.
I also believe that science and faith do NOT contradict each other. Rather science is a deeper intricate study of God’s great design of the universe. Better understanding his mysteries.
i agree, @blueonblack22 also Einstein criticized "science without religion" and he was far from delusional ! in contrast to modern mockers.
@siri137 I apologize about the Fidel Castro comment. Although I very much disagree with your warm perspective on communism I also realize that comment was “poisoning the well”. That is I attacked your reputation to discredit your viewpoint about a different subject. So I made a mistake saying that.
But I 100% stand by everything else I said.
@strateguy632 we got to approach this issue with patience and love. Also just because we faith have in a higher power doesn’t make us sanctified and holy or something. Demons believe in God (and shudder).
But I absolutely call out ANTItheist. If these people had it their way they would be burning bibles, tearing down churches and outlawing worship services.
@siri137 well in all fairness your header graphic had pictures do Lenin, Stalin and Mao. Why did you choose a graphic like that?
If you want to bring up these topics then make sure they are presented in isolation (including what’s in the visuals).
Because the implied message you delivered in this question was “I’m awakened and anybody who agrees with me is too. However those who disagree with me are just naive stupid brainwashed fools”.
I personally know I will never change hearts and minds by insulting people I disagree with (and I took back the Castro comment).
Alright. Well I stand by my entire first analysis (minus the Castro comment).
But you are NOT “brave” by insulting people of faith. No. Not at all. Rather it’s about the “woke social optics” feeling it gives you.
I just remember this. Just because people can’t provide empirical proof that there is a God on the flip side you are unable to provide proof there IS not one.
Science has advanced has advanced to better understand the evolution of humans. Not against that. But scripture was written for people who were not yet exposed to the advances of science. But just the Bible doesn’t mention the solar system and the entire universe doesn’t mean the early Christians were 100% anti science. Nor does science in itself contradict faith.
Nah, they don't. Though 'creationists' become animated and combative ignoring science for a pretence of science which is really a belief system fictioned around the idea of god as some 'systems engineer' figure.
I think, people who believe in science (and I argue its just as much a system of faith as a relgion, the only difference being that their faith may be tested with experiments, but most people claiming to sue science simply accept the combined view of other published scientists, and privately accept and reject findings based on how they can be convinced).
u The same can be said for any belief, really. Some people base their whole lives and personality on their faith, whether it’s belief in evolution or a god. So when you question their faith, you shake the very core of who they are as a person. They’re not going to be happy about it. I can’t say I’ve ever had that experience with evolutionists, but I’ve definitely had it with christians.
People don’t like having their beliefs questioned regardless of the topic. Religious people are offended when their beliefs are questioned, both sides of the political spectrum are offended when their beliefs are questioned. Pick any topic and people will be offended when your beliefs differ from theirs. It’s fashionable to be offended.
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In the same way you feel defensive when someone says “I think the church is an objectively evil and greedy institution” so also do atheists look at you when you deny known science in the name of belief. No one can force you to learn it, but it’s not that hard to be respectful. If you think they’re not, maybe you should just stick to your christian community and not venture outside of it. They’ll be happy to have you, I’m sure
I really do not think the two criticisms are at all similar. When you say something like, "The church (which one, by the way?) is evil", that's a very vague accusation, and you need to back it up. However, when you deny a claim (like the belief in abiogenesis, for example) you're simply not accepting what someone else has told you is true.
And I don't belong to a "Christian community", or any other community. I don't need to. Do you belong to an atheist community?
It’s the same socially, I promise
Darwin's theory is the only one that explains most of cases, it makes it also the most popular. Part of medicine and psychology based on it. I've never noticed that any person who believes in this theory had any problem explaining it and answer questions. No one ever went sour about anything...
No. Certainly the molecular clock explains small gradual changes but it is not so satisfactory in explaining large and rapid changes.
To me it is simply science yet to be done with the handicap of not having a good fossil record. All the humanoid bones we have would fit into a pick up.
It doesn't matter to me if you accept Darwinism or not. At the very least if has produced a philology of life on earth that is fascinating and would be very hard for you to reject.
People like that are often open to be ridiculed because they can't defend their views due to a lack of knowledge and understanding of what they believe along with the fact that they've never been seriously challenged on what they believe.
And that goes for people with just about any belief or view.
i guess under the surface they hear "i want to change you to come with me to synagog church or mosque" so that is the first reaction. reacting to that thought.
but usualy they only said atheist because someone mocked religious so they chose to separate without thinking.
Well given I have seen the genetic differences in thousands of species over the years I certainly have no reason to get upset because I can prove it. Equally I have no reason to prove it because if they don't believe it their brain would liquefy and run out of theirs if presented with the trillions and trillions of lines of genetic code showcasing the differences between animals and earlier versions or people from earlier people
how do the "translators" of genes earn trust? they can make up anything. adenine alone or with the other.
@strateguy632 you can't make up genes well let me be more specific you can't fake genes during observation once the data is printed it can be faked however when compared to the original which is an uneditable version it comes up pretty quick it is falseified. Genetic code is formed from specific markers and we can't make up new markers without jumping through a lot of hoops. Gene sequencing is also not a manual feat it is computerized because of how long it takes. Now what can be done and is done is to analyze defects they will overlay various strings of DNA to see what the differences are and by isolating what might be causing it biochemists, virologists, and other types of professions will use this information to develop treatments and cures and genetic changes to prevent the recurrence of those anomalies in the future. In addition the only way to introduce genetic changes is via mRNA and it can only be very simple instructions
obviously "can't make up genes" you talk like 5th grader! i emphasized translator.
guess what? those vague science articles pushing evolution don't even match the tip of the ice berg.
check this quote out. if you dare to start thinking.
"Human chromosome 17 corresponds entirely to a portion of mouse chromosome 11. Other chromosomes, however, show evidence of more extensive interchromosomal rearrangement." we are suckers.
@strateguy632 you are the type of person it seems I am referring to mate "Equally I have no reason to prove it because if they don't believe it their brain would liquefy and run out of theirs if presented with the trillions and trillions of lines of genetic code showcasing" so you go ahead and believe whatever you want. You can believe the earth is flat despite their being proof it isn't. No point arguing or debating an idiot
Because they are sour and bitter people.
Sit down with an atheist and all he will talk about is religion and people that make them insecure.
Sit with atheist and you'll have more infinitely interesting conversations.
most of the evolutionists I've known r like that, gets angry fast n doesn't have much to say to prove what they claim to be the 'truth'
lot of em r sheeps following some basic lines they read or saw somewhere
They are insecure that they are wrong, and it throws into question their entire belief system. They see the popular, incorrect view of random evolution and they do not see that even Genesis itself demonstrates Intelligent Design.
Coz they know they are all wrong
Our DNA seems edited I mean if you know how DNA should be you see a dog a cat DNA as normal and our is a Beethoven remix
now that sounds more plausible n likely. 👍💖
@strateguy632 the science community has a saying
The people are not ready to hear this kind of infor. ation yet
thanks to your clue @newgodomega i knew what to search for.
guess what "96% same" meant? a trick.
not even 1/40 the same.
quote, "Human chromosome 17 (of 46) corresponds entirely to a *portion of mouse chromosome 11 (of 40). Other chromosomes, however, show evidence of more extensive interchromosomal rearrangement." like you wrote remix.
a, all of one is PART of the mouse. not only different but complex human lost. even in the 1/40 same.
and 2, considering the sequence is a code... a different sequence is like saying morse code has only 2 repeated, "di. and da -"
any 2 messages are "96%" identical EXCEPT the sequence.
how far will they push their narrative relying that we dont know genetics enough to catch when they lie?
@strateguy632 life is horribly beautiful
Like any religious fundamentalists they're not prepared to give up their beliefs, no matter how much logic you use.
Dawkins is their High Priest...
It all boils down to “I’m right/correct you’re wrong/incorrect or you’re wrong/incorrect I’m right/correct ”
It's because they believe science backs their claims and to them science is not religion because religion is inferior and lacks evidence/proof.
Because they know they don’t have a leg to stand on evolution does not work Darwin recanted before he died, which was covered up🤔
Because there’s a big difference between faith and fact
Actually there isn't a difference. Nothing can be a fact but natural law and even that is based on our current understanding of it and the perception we a limited too. Fact is nothing but a strong faith.
@shoeboxcerealcard there is. The scientific method is a repetition of strict and precise tests that when producing the same results a conclusion can be made, and many of those conclusions made can also be described as laws of science and laws of physics. Like the law of gravity.
Many of it being also grounded in math is the reason you have medical aid in hospitals and nutrition stores to help you thrive and recover from being sick. Many of our knowledge from technicalities of the resources around us made it possible for us to extract things and cultivate things so you could have food and such.
Science brings about tangible information and formulas. Many times it’s proven concrete evidence and when learning about one aspect of science we are then able to make inferences, estimates and educated guesses/ hypotheses about other relating factors and groups. There is hardly anything tangible or even evident or strong evidence or fact with spirituality. 🤷♀️
You don’t have to agree with it, but you can’t call them the same, otherwise people on either side wouldn’t be debating over it.
You tell it from a perspective where people don’t know and they just have to believe so science isn’t accurate enough for them or yourself, but if you actually studied or observed information within science (not all is accurate but a good amount is), then you’d realize science is information that builds. It’s not just mere or hopeful wishing. Because we can learn about certain aspects many times scientists and evolutionists will try to build and figure out the very “beginning” using data they currently have, and it could sometimes just be too soon to tell/ not enough data to make solid conclusions on that yet, or just a bit of a forced reach/ stretch to just fit an answer there, for “closure,” I suppose.
I don’t really believe in evolution though. I think they actually got that part wrong.
Firstly it's not Darwinism, it's Evolution Theory. Secondly it's not faith, it's science. So yes, if you blatantly misrepresent people they are likely to become annoyed.
wait nobody saw an ape birthing any human. evolution is blinder faith than most religions that have witnesses.
Because it's their life's work.
they know they have no science, data, or facts
Not a topic of conversation with me.
Do evolutionists even evolve?
They just evolved like that
LOL.
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