Do you think Islam deserves preferential treatment in art?

[Juxtapose]

Here's a picture of Muhammad. Let's see if I get censored and if I do, if another post showing a picture of Jesus will get censored.

[Avicenna]

Of course not and bowing to it is allowing Islamic extremists to force their blasphemy laws on the rest of us.

[DrPepper12]

Avicenna would know better...

[Avicenna]

@DrPepper12: Avicenna would today be known as a free-speech advocate, and as a respected researcher like him knew, you can't have scientific and for that matter even theological inquiry, much less debate with totalitarian speech restrictions like blasphemy laws. Avicenna was a big debater. Ironically, the intellectual climate was much better in his day than it is now in most of the Muslim world.

But thanks for outing yourself as a complete totalitarian (not that anyone is surprised).

[DrPepper12]

Wait. Wait. I'm totalitarian because I, the atheist, support respect and not intentional sacrilege of a dearly held religious belief by it's adherents? Please tell me more!!

[Juxtapose]

@DrPepper12 fucking hell dude you're talking like a damn sjw weirdo.

Religions don't deserve any fucking respect WHATSOEVER and if people get offended then so fucking what? They can go cry about it.

If they break the law because of it or try to intimidate other people? Then fuck them. I'm going to go extra hard on them and actively shit on their religion.

[DrPepper12]

Ideas are for satire and ridicule!! Religion does deserve it! But in a pluralistic civil society you should not INTENTIONALLY and unprovoked make it a point to do something that will offend!! Why would you do that rather than just ignore it?

[Avicenna]

@DrPepper12: Now you're atheist. Weren't you allegedly Jewish just a few days ago? LOL...

Newsflash: satire is intentional, and it is intended to provoke. And don't try to pretend that other religions don't get insulted, too, because they certainly do. It's part of protected speech, which is why I pointed out that we cannot allow our values to be dictated to us by anyone's blasphemy laws. The "perpetually offended" are happy to offend us, but they don't want to be offended. Well, there are dozens of majority Muslim countries they can live in where Islam can't be satirized or criticized.

[AngryCarl]

I'd say no, but I don't want to get stabbed.

[Juxtapose]

The fact that you even have to worry about that in your country underlines what is wrong perfectly.

[AngryCarl]

That's a very good point.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

Ehh, not really a big fan of religious jokes, even if they're hilarious occasionally.

Religion is best without people who don't follow the faith interfering. I've met a bunch of Muslim people at this point and I don't think theyre any worse than any other group so it seems pretty stupid to me to give them any positive or negative treatment.

I hope neither gets taken down.

[Juxtapose]

It's about the principal of it. I refuse to give any one religion special treatment.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

Respectable

[DrPepper12]

Then answer my questions above without repeating your rantings about Islam.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

@DrPepper12 why what was the question?

[NYCQuestions1976]

Of course that religion is supposed to get preferential treatment. It's only okay to shit on every other religion. Didn't you get the memorandum?

[Juxtapose]

🤜🤛 haha that's what it feels like with some!

[DrPepper12]

For a gothamite that is some Empire State sized ignorant and embarrassing take on things.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@DrPepper12 You do understand sarcasm, correct?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@DrPepper12 I just checked your recent history on this site. I withdraw my question. The answer is clearly, "No."

[TommyMountainFigure]

Well you aren't showing him with his 9 year old bride, even though it says that in the karan. So I don't see why anyone would object.

[Juxtapose]

You don't even have to go that far to piss off Muslims and make them want to kill you. Making the image so uninflammatory and having them react in such an inflammatory way really makes my point for me.

[TommyMountainFigure]

I remember there was a school teacher who named a teddy bear in the class as Muhammed, she was terminated from her job and lived in fear. Maybe still does! I think this was in France.

[TommyMountainFigure]

www.theguardian.com/.../schoolsworldwide.uk

[Juxtapose]

It must have been happening in some other country cuz they are mentioning blasphemy laws? It's pretty fucked up though.

Respect cannot be legislated nor can disrespect be criminalized. To do so leads to fascism.

[TommyMountainFigure]

Fascism was assisted by certain factions of the muslim religion during the 2nd world war too, but I digress.

[DarkLegacy]

It deserves nothing. But they do get preferential treatment, for instance, we are prosecuted and labelled islamophobes if we criticise their religion. But they can Christmas is an evil festival and that is supposed to be ok. And considering that they destroy monuments and statues that predate Islam then they should not get any special treatment.

[DrPepper12]

So extremists speak for all of Islam? GREAT! Then the westboro Baptist church, Moonies and the KKK speak for all Christians!! Do you know how stupid you sound?

[Knightwatch27]

I will never give an inch to any demands by Islamic extremists. Though even as I don't care about their drawing law, I won't go out of my way to draw or show one just for the sake of it, that I'd find a bit petty. But neither would I listen to any "no one must ever be allowed to" nonsense.

[hahahmm]

No. The problem is that the west is soft so western leadership has to think of a way to avoid conflict with muslims & the easiest way is to raise a white flag & bend over while treating traditional Christians like scum.

[DJB72]

The difference is that Christians don't behead Charlie Hebdo cartoonists for drawing Jesus, no matter how "offensive" the image might be

[DrPepper12]

No! OF COURSE NOT!! Christians are CIVILIZED!!
*Not included: the inquisition, witch trials, forced conversion in Al-Andulus, Canadian RC fosters & orphanages, hunt and murder Native American "apostates", church run labor camps for non adherents, support if Nazis in WWII, Korean colonization, forced conversion during Chinese civil war, Hundred years war, Anglicanism, Roman persecution of Manichaeism, Mithraism and Gnostics. Dude I could go ON AND ON about christian violence for reasons that don't even approach sacrilegious offensiveness.

[DJB72]

You're confused. It's understandable.

Christians - genuine, god-fearing and born again ones - opposed:

the inquisition, witch trials, forced conversions, etc - and were burned at the stake, bricked up alive inside walls, tortured and murdered for it

Nazism - and many priests were executed in the concentration camps alongside the Jews

The "holy" Roman Empire and it's persecutions.

Try to differentiate between the religious leaders and the actual Christians. Because the actual Christians were being murdered alongside the groups you mentioned for trying to protect them from the zealots.

You asked about art. My initial answer was specifically about art.

If you want to debate the merits of the teachings of Christ as compared to the teachings of Mohammed then I'll oblige - but have the intellectual integrity to ask that question

[DJB72]

My apologies @Juxtapose I didn't check the sender of the comment before responding

[DrPepper12]

@DJB72 gladly. Let's compare Christianity to my chosen religion of Pastafarianism. I would gladly defend Islam or any other mass delusion such as yours but you can't see that. You only see your beloved Christianity being satarized. Let's go! Pastafarianism v Christianity! Over to you!

[DJB72]

Ok, please start by explaining how the flying spaghetti monster created the universe...

[DrPepper12]

Do you deny it? You only need faith for salvation. You should repent now with a hunk of lasagna.

[DJB72]

Of course my belief system is rooted in over 4000 years of recorded history and there's no need for lasagna, just Faith in God.

How long has pastafarianism been around?

[Dargil]

I don't think Islam deserves any preferential treatment.

[DrPepper12]

They don't get it so you're all good!

[DrPepper12]

Preferential? No. Respect for adherents? Yes. Are you going to serve hamburgers for Diwali? Pork for Rosh Hashanah? Meat on Lenten Fridays? It's just respectable to not show his face.

[Juxtapose]

You literally have to show his face or they are going to continue with their homicidal entitlement.

[DrPepper12]

Please explain to me the Islamic relationship between intentional sacrilege by non adherents and homicidal entitlement. I'm aware of Charlie hedbo. Those terrorist extremists do not speak for 99.999 percent of Muslims.

[FreyaRed]

If Muslims feel offended about our imagination of their prophet, they just should watch something else. Maybe a herd of sheep or something.

[katiesmuff]

No I don't think it needs any more attention than any other art!

[OddBeMe]

That is actually a psychological/historical theory for why Islam is in the Stone Age today and Christianity went through renaissance 600 years ago.

[Juxtapose]

Probably to do with geography?

[DrPepper12]

Christianity? A Renaissance? Surely you mean the art and not the dogma. FYI from the 700s - 1300s the dar al Islam, especially Baghdad, were THE centers of GLOBAL knowledge. Stone age? Get educated.

[OddBeMe]

@DrPepper12 look up Renaissance art. It’s a-lot Christian. Not saying that means anything other than the “Christian establishment” was for art and science. The Vatican ironically financed some science and then tried debunking it when it conflicted with their beliefs.

But either way, that’s the theory. That Christians are through the Renaissance and are modernized.

Islam hasn’t had their renaissance.

[DrPepper12]

Islam STIMULATED the European Renaissance!!! Are you mad? They WERE the center of art, science, technology, philosophy, travel, geography, navigation, commerce, urbanization, government, jurisprudence, language!!!

[DrPepper12]

Oh, as far as Renaissance art and Islam? Go STUDY IN DETAIL Raphaels "School of Athens".

[OddBeMe]

@DrPepper12 ok…funny it’s in the Vatican museum archives.
www.museivaticani.va/.../scuola-di-atene.html

I’m not arguing for Christianity or religion for godsakes. I’m just looking at an obvious difference between Islam and the other religions and inviting theories.

[DrPepper12]

Figures. Vatican short selling of Islam. Try this: medium.com/.../the-grandfather-of-the-european-enlightenment-was-muslim-49c1342946f1

[OddBeMe]

@DrPepper12 hey Islam invented algebra and did a lot of shit. Then went full Stone Age

[DrPepper12]

Yes. The dar al Islam DID decline as Europe was rising. Agreed. But to confuse the faith with the many diverse cultures is not honest

[OddBeMe]

@DrPepper12 Wahhabism fckin destroyed them. Somehow got people to think modernity is a bad thing. Idiots. We got it here in the US. FLDS. You’ve seen those stupid bitches wearing buttoned up Amish dresses. Ok with their man fckin around.

[RedInnocent69]

No. But there’s a difference between being an artist and being a dick.

[Juxtapose]

You know what's really dickish?

Killing people for a cartoon.

[RedInnocent69]

Fair, and completely agreed.

[Lliam]

I'll bet an atheist would get plenty of death threats if he made a cartoon of Jesus sucking dick.

[Juxtapose]

@Lliam that's a false equivalency, especially since this picture of the Islamic prophet is not made in a lewd way. Muhammad simply being drawn can get you killed and Islamic countries will sanction punishments if you draw their prophet.

Are you going to get lashes in the Vatican if you simply draw Jesus?

[DrPepper12]

Do you REALLY wanna go there knowing the history of Christianity? Do you? @RedInnocent69. @Juxtapose

[Lliam]

Exactly, DrPepper12. Juxtapose is trying to justify the slaughter of Muslims by Zionists. He does so by being a bigot.

[Juxtapose]

@DrPepper12 I'm talking about what is relevant and the modern day. You guys can't equate Christians and Muslims, not modern day ones.

[Juxtapose]

@Lliam you're supporting jihadi terrorists.

[Juxtapose]

www.google.com/.../...lled-previously-reported.amp

[Juxtapose]

The Hamas provided numbers are wrong.

[Lliam]

And you know this how? What about international observer organizations.

One thing you can count on is Israeli information being complete fabrications.

You're supporting Zionist terrorists. It's too bad that you only read pro-Israeli propaganda and believe every word.

[Juxtapose]

@Lliam you would know if you looked at the article that there is no international observer organizations that are making reliable estimates. The international community is relying on Hamas numbers, which are wrong.

Gaza never belonged to anyone but what? Egypt? And Palestine (which is not recognized as a country by the United States) was only formed to oppose Israel's existence and it is essentially a proxy state of Iran.

Hamas's stated goal is to wipe out Israel and they actually give out bounties to their citizens for killing innocent Israeli civilians and Jews.

[Lliam]

That is such total horse shit. You don't have one single clue. All you consume is hasbara propaganda on Zionist media. You lack critical thinking skills.

I'm not going to argue with a fool.

[DrPepper12]

@Lliam you should see the art display at the Brooklyn museum that was a crucifix in a jar of urine.

[RedInnocent69]

@DrPepper12 no, I don’t even really want to be here.

[Juxtapose]

@Lliam yeah and all your "Zionist" crap is taking cues after the middle easterners who helped the Holocaust become even worse. They are active Holocaust deniers by the way.

[Lliam]

LOL. You're an uneducated, willfully ignorant robot on this issue; a dogmatic fanatic. No fat Earther or Creationist was ever so ridiculous.

[Juxtapose]

Says the Holocaust denier.

Go ahead, prove me wrong. Tell me the Holocaust happened and that 6 million Jews were butchered.

[Lliam]

I won't be challenged by an ignoramus. Look how low you stoop to defend your dogmatic beliefs. You have the mind of a child.

[Juxtapose]

Literally all you have to do is confirm historical reality and you will prove me wrong and make me look like an idiot. Go ahead and do it.

[Juxtapose]

You know why you won't? Because you're a Holocaust and I are and you don't want to admit it.

[Juxtapose]

*Holocaust denier and you don't want to admit it

Fucking speech to text.

[Lliam]

You don't know what I believe. And I'm not going to get into a discussion with an ideologue who thinks Jews are the biggest victims in history and can therefore commit even worse atrocities than the Nazis. You are unwittingly supporting Talmudic thinking.

[Juxtapose]

@Lliam to say that the Jews are doing worse than genociding 95% of a local population and systematically putting them in ovens and shit? You are diluted and insane.

[Juxtapose]

*deluded

[Juxtapose]

They are in fact the biggest victims in recent history by a huge margin and it's not even fucking close. Such a genocide has never happened in history before, not like that.

[Lliam]

🙄😵‍💫🥴

[Juxtapose]

Yeah I bet you're a holocaust denier.

[Lliam]

I know that you've been mind fucked. Israel owns you. Even holocaust survivors aren't as radicalized as you. I'm amazed to witness how well brainwashing can work.

[SotiCoto]

Only if the art is printed toilet paper.

[Juxtapose]

Mmyyyyy maaaaan!

🤜🤛

[DrPepper12]

I remember that time that I used the King James Bible as a plate in the hotel and microwaved my pizza on it. Bitch caught fire and had to throw it in the tub and stamp it out. Hope I wasn't offensive. WWJD? @Juxtapose. @SotiCoto

[SotiCoto]

@DrPepper12 : I wouldn't eat food off something that is made to spread a disease... even if the disease is memetic.

[DrPepper12]

LMFAO!!! Now THATS funny!!! 😂😂😂 That gets a follow!!

[DrPepper12]

I'm just seeing this again and it's just as funny if not more so today!

[ManHater]

Yes when it comes to burning yes front of the line always.

[strateguy632]

no, just equal

[handsomelad70]

No, nor does any faith.

[Alwayreckles93]

Well good thing you are not catholic.

[Pterodon]

Fuck no

[LiamJHayden]

Nope.