Why does Christian Zionism and religious fanaticism have such a large following in the US? Are religious people more reasonable in Europe?

[WhiteBoyChill]

I’m referring mostly to Baptists and Evangelicals in the US.

For whatever the hell the reason they’re extremely pro-Israel and almost all of them are these religious fanatics that go around thinking they’re morally superior to everybody else. Even though a lot of them are absolute hypocrites and live these morally reprehensible lifestyles with things like child abuse, racism towards minority people and teenage pregnancy being super common.

I can hardly understand how these people could be considered “good Christians” just because they can regurgitate the Bible without actually living it.

At least black Protestants in the South tend to be like 100,000x more reasonable from what I can make of it.

And no, I’m not some kind of liberal or leftist. I am a Christian myself.

And then you also have all this crazy talk of witchcraft and demon possession.

I mean ffs, there’s literally a user on this site that thinks women that wear jeans are going to hell, and that somehow her own sister is a witch and has all these magical powers to inflict “spiritual warfare” on her.

But getting back to my question though, do these kinds of people actually exist in Europe?

And also I’m trying to understand why Christian Zionism is a thing to begin with.

Was it a thing in the Middle Ages? 100 years ago even?

Where in the Bible does it ever say that Christians owe Jews anything?

They chose to occupy the Middle East, and the consequences of such a decision are their own personal problem to deal with.

I can hardly sympathize with Israel for October 7th, after knowing what they’d been doing for decades to Palestinians.

And their response has been ineffective, and disproportionate (yeah, its been several months of death and guess what?). Still nothing f*cking changed.

And by the way, I can hardly see how Israel is this nation “blessed by God” when its just as immoral as the average western country with things like gay pride parades and gay marriage.

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But then they’ll tell you that they’re fulfilling God’s will in the Book of Revelations. That there be a Jewish led state. Even though the Bible only says that there will be a Jewish led state. Not that God actually supports its proposed creation and continued existence.

And neither are we bound by scripture to support this new proposed state.

I see no personal obligation as a Christian to support the Zionist cause. I’m not bound by scripture to do so.

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Furthermore, it should be noted that in the Book of Revelations when God returns to the Earth, he isn’t going to award the Jewish people with all these diamonds and gold watches.

They’re either going to be killed by God, or forced to convert.

Therefore I can hardly see the argument that God somehow still loves the Jewish people. Like he did in the days of the Old Testament, before they turned to sin and betrayed him.

[jshm2]

Because Americans are a brainless people.

They have no country - they stole it from Native Indians, but act all "patriotic".

They have no language other than what their colonial ancestors taught them (Spanish and English) but will insist you speak their dialect of English.

They have no religion other than what the immigrants brought over. So they have to behave extra zealously, as the bible doesn't include them.

This is why they try for a piece of that "Middle East" pie. In the hope they will be included with Jesus. Despite Jesus hating White people (Romans) for what they did to his Jewish people.

Zionism climbs on the back of Judaism, like Nazism did on the back of Christianity. It has no link with the religion; but is a mask for right wing ideology and making a people think they are a part of something "greater".

Americans are easily fooled as they have no heritage or lineages to teach them better. Like cattle they they will follow whatever leads them with some authority.

These days it's all about the money. Many of these American organisations and media outlets simply go with whatever the highest bidder is saying.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

They been brainwash by the media, politicians and those TV religious channels teaching lies.

[WhiteBoyChill]

I agree completely. You would also agree that modern Jews have lost God’s favor?

They’re overwhelmingly all rotten the way I see it.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Those aren't God's people anyways. God's people are only those who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

The Bible is very clear about that.

[WhiteBoyChill]

I have no reason to doubt that either

[Anonymous]

Zionism has nothing to do with Judaism.

Actually, a Jewish nation-state fundamentally opposes Judaism.

Many Zionists are atheists. Zionism is a very effective vehicle for imperialistic goals in the Middle East.

Ashkenazi Jews are NOT indigenous. The actual Semitic Jews who were there, Sephardic, Yemeni Jews, Mizrahi etc, had their babies kidnapped from them out of the hospitals frim interloping Russian Jews. Why? Not indigenous so they needed to add bloodlines.

Zionism is very Machiavellian in that everyone but Jews are animals and cattle. That it's fine to double-cross a non-Jew. This is in Orthodox Judaism as well.

The Zionists take it even further and say any non-Ashkenazi can be done sorry no problem. They do it.

So the leaders of the Western world don't care about doing anything for Jews. It's about colonial interests.

[WhiteBoyChill]

“had their babies kidnapped from them out of the hospitals frim interloping Russian Jews.”

I have not heard of this event before personally. To what is it referred?

[Dongie]

I've seen the orthodox Jew spit on Christians and curse as tho they've yet to hang Christ upon the cross. They will have their day when they see Him come the way 500 saw him leave. On the Mount of Olives and walks through the now sealed east gate. I leave it in His hands.

[Opinion Owner]

Two links. The second was called the Yemenite Children affair.

www.google.com/.../mizrahi-jews-renew-calls-for-justice-over-stolen-babies

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemenite_Children_Affair

[WhiteBoyChill]

That’s really fcking disgusting

[Opinion Owner]

Like everything the Zio state does

[Opinion Owner]

I once met à Yrmebi Jewish woman from Israël. She was really à sweetheart. We disagree about the Zio states "roght" to exist but we connected on some other topic s since she had feed Israël to avoid forced service in the IMF (Israeli Murder Force)

[Opinion Owner]

*Yemeni
*feed

[Opinion Owner]

Fled

[WhiteBoyChill]

I’m just surprised that the nation that’s the “homeland for jewish people” isn’t even accepting of all Jews.

[Opinion Owner]

As I explained, it's a function of American imperialism and European post-colnialism.

[coxoabean]

I agree with you. I'm a Christian and don't think we need to support them

[Dongie]

Are you a liberal?

[coxoabean]

No, I'm not

[coxoabean]

Why do you ask?

[Dongie]

That's the way liberals feel toward Israel.

[coxoabean]

Ummm

[coxoabean]

I'm far from liberal! I just don't think we need to support isreal

[Dongie]

How do you mean support. I'm for not giving our money to any country. Certain times with disasters and allies at war. When the last guy was in office, the peace was there. I'm for Israel and not the terrorists like Hamas.

[WhiteBoyChill]

@Dongie How can you be for Israel tho if they commit atrocious human rights violations in the West Bank against not only Muslims, but also Palestinian Christians as well?

[Dongie]

Haven't heard of that. I hear they dropped in on October 7th and started slaughtering Jews. Every war that Israel has been in was started by an Arab or all Arab / Muslim states. Since 1948 anyway. Why do you think that David is still slaying Goliath?

[WhiteBoyChill]

@Dongie I can hardly see how you can make the argument that Israel is an “underdog”. Their military is quite advanced

[Dongie]

Against 5 surrounding bigger countries.

[Dongie]

And why are they advanced? Because God has Prophecy. They come true 100%.

[WhiteBoyChill]

@Dongie No. Its because the US gives them billions of dollars in the most advanced technology

[Dongie]

Units a sin to not believe what God says. He can't lie.

[Dongie]

Woop-di-tah.

[Anonymous]

Christianity and Zionism don't mix

that's just the Zionists infiltrating the churches like they infiltrate our entertainment, academia, corporations and both sides of the political aisle

there's no way any church in their right mind would hang the pride flag or push for feminist rhetoric just so former prostitutes and hoes can come back and be the "trad wives" for men and therefore dilute the teachings of God

that's why "antisemitic" is the buzzword used by both sides of the political aisle. the Zionists are being protected by both sides.

leftist Hollyweird protecting their corporate overlords and cuckservative war machine protecting their military "allies"

[WhiteBoyChill]

I hate the cucks on the right just as much

[Opinion Owner]

those cucks on the right try strong arming men into bad deals like marriage rather than attempt to change the marriage laws

they can't even convince feminists to no longer be feminists and somehow they try to convince men to get married even to these feminists knowing damn well they are setting them up for failure

[WhiteBoyChill]

I don't know about that part. I’ve never met any man advising another man to marry a feminist

[Opinion Owner]

perhaps not exactly a feminist as per these right wing cucks, it's more so the left wing cucks doing this but nevertheless, if all men follow their advice and get married anyway, a lot of them would end up marrying a feminist, then there's the issue with feminist culture being prevalent enough to infect good women with it.

[WhiteBoyChill]

I’m a strong proponent of the passport bro movement in general for this very reason. Filtering out the feminists. And I’d encourage men to marry if it were an objectively good deal they were getting.

[WhiteBoyChill]

*ONLY*

[meepmeeperton]

I honestly have no idea. Americans, especially conservatives, seem to often believe in "Judeo-Christian" values, and not just Christian. I am wondering when American Christians will ask ourselves what exactly we owe Jews.

[WhiteBoyChill]

We don’t owe them anything.

The Nazis were atheist, as were the Soviet communists.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Anyone that’s studied history knows, Hitler targetted the church as well

[DryGermanGuy]

Europe is mostly what I call "post-religious". When people say they are Christian or Jewish, they usually mean of Christian or Jewish heritage. Also religion is private and no one would usually ask you about it or which church you frequent. The United States' religiosity seem to me like Europe's was in the 1950s (I don't want to imagine how it was in the 1950s USA...).

[WhiteBoyChill]

Well, in the 1950’s USA it was bad enough that you had crowds of spectators cheering on the lynchings of black people.

But that was the Protestants though. Traditionalist Catholics have never really been the problem here.

[WhiteBoyChill]

You’ve heard of Emmett Till?

[DryGermanGuy]

Yes. I have seen a number of documentaries about the Klan.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Do you see people advancing much of the overbearingly Israel-can-do-no-wrong Zionist crap though?

[DryGermanGuy]

I don't think so, but that's more opinion than fact and a topic I am not too familiar with.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Word. I just know Germany is one of the major financial backers of Israel (alongside the US). Are Germans also just not very openly political people?

[DryGermanGuy]

Germany is openly political and people like to discuss, I just don’t think there are many people questioning our special relationship with Israel. It’s also worth mentioning we are also a large supporter of Palestinian projects.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Well yeah, but that’s probably just because of the whole Austrian man with the funny mustache episode that happened

[Dargil]

Because Christian Zionism is the right way to view Israel. Christianity is the modern manifestation of Judaism. It is the fulfillment of the Jewish messianic movement. Like the Jews, we are G0d's Chosen People. Europeans have abandoned Christianity and are getting what they deserve with the Islamist invasion. Don't bother having a tantrum. I believe what I do on Faith. No "whatabout" argument will matter.

[WhiteBoyChill]

I agree with everything you said, but it didn’t exactly address my question, so I’ll ask it another way.

Why do modern day Christians feel obligated to support the modern day state of Israel?

Personally I don’t feel the need to support them, because God will deal with the matter accordingly

[WhiteBoyChill]

Nation-state

[EmmaMary]

What an absolute load of complete and utter fucking Bollox.

[WhiteBoyChill]

You’re a zionist shill. Truth offend you much?

[EmmaMary]

Truth? RAOFLMFAO 🤣🤣🤣

[Dongie]

HAAAAAAAA...

[strateguy632]

impossible, fanatic are the "extreme fringe" so only "many" if you lie all are fanatic.

[Anonymous]

9-11, the history of Islam's war on Christianity, what's happening in Europe with the muslim rape gangs and of course how even moderate Muslims refer to the west as a whole to mount.

[Dongie]

As a Christian do you also believe in the annihilation of the Jews, Israelites? Seeing as you are a Christian.

[WhiteBoyChill]

They aren’t God’s chosen people anymore. They literally turned their backs on him.

[Dongie]

That doesn't mean He did the same. I know there are many Jews that are Chridtian. Messianic Jews

[Dongie]

It seems that the Christian Left is against Israel.

[strateguy632]

to whit, what kinda christian opposes book romans 11, 1 "Did God reject his people? By no means" in context of benjamin. @WhiteBoyChill

[WhiteBoyChill]

@strateguy632 I guess they’ll be saved later then. But that doesn’t mean I’m biblically obligated to support the forced displacements and killings of Palestinians in the West Bank, as Zionist Christians do.

[strateguy632]

to @WhiteBoyChill do you submit to bible that god did not reject his people in context of benjamin family or...
maybe just pick n choose to match your bias.

2, you think the displacement is in a vacuum?
i don't see you opposing that even this past week arabs continued attempted murder fired many deadly rockets from gaza into israel forcing Israel to shot back.

[Dongie]

As Israel is the only land directly given to a people's, the Israelites, all the trouble they went through to get it then be exiled for 70 years then helped back to their land then 500 more years be scattered unto the nations, be put through the Holocaust and brought back to THEIR land once again and has been fighting to keep it ever since and even going against God and giving some away, I think it's only right to all the world to except that Israel is theirs.

[WhiteBoyChill]

@strateguy632 That still doesn’t excuse the fact that Israel has displaced upwards of 70% of the people living in Gaza, and levelled entire neigborhoods, and cut off supplies, power, electricity, running water, food, and humanitarian aid into gaza

[WhiteBoyChill]

“and brought back to THEIR land once again”. Except it wasn’t God who brought them back to “their land” this time. It was the Zionist movement.

Also, if we’re correlating ancient Israel to the modern state of Israel, they still control the West Bank and the Sinai Peninsula was never a part of ancient Israel.

[WhiteBoyChill]

And no, I don’t think there is any moral justification to be found in the fact that 700,000 Palestinians were forcibly displaced to create this new state, based on a 2,500 year old claim.

[Dongie]

How in hell can you claim it wasn't God? It was God, alright. That's why they won't lose until the time of the end and you will know who the antichrist is.

[WhiteBoyChill]

It wasn’t. It was people. And God knew it would happen.

Nothing that happens in this world is ever a surprise to him

[OddBeMe]

I argue it’s because our constitution is secular and protects freedom of religion that Americans are Uber religious. Europe’s countries have “official relgions” and are mostly secular people.