Why don't people grasp this simple point regarding religious freedom?

[Anonymous]

[phraseology]

In America your freedom of religion circles around a couple core ideas. There is the establishment clause in the first amendment which reads as follows, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion". So that is to say that Congress can not establish a religion and enforce the legal observation of said religion by law, and can not compel people to worship God in any way. Such laws could infringe on people's natural right of conscience and lead to the establishment of a national religion which the founding fathers wished to avoid after being oppressed under the Church of England. The next idea is that you can freely excise your religion and practices with the caveat that those practices can't violate public morals and compelling government interests. Being that America was founded on Judeo-Christian morals, when your religion conflicts with laws established based on Judaism or Christianity then your practice of religion is thrown out basicly, but at least you have freedom of speech, of the press, and the right to peacefully assemble so that you can complain about it. You may say this a is a contradiction... Yep, pretty much, but you are still allowed to keep your own ideas, build your temples, wear your religious garbs, talk about your religion, put your religion in writing, and do your rituals so long as they don't violate any laws, but you do have to respect some Jewish and Christian ideas if you want to live here. That's just the way the cookie crumbles.

[phraseology]

So yes, in America Judaism and Christianity do dictate what others can and can not do. Get use to it or get out.

[phraseology]

If you would like an example, perjury under federal law is committed when a person “knowingly” attests to or subscribes to statements he or she does not believe are true. Perjured testimony is not protected by the First Amendment, because it undermines the ability of courts to obtain truthful testimony and to effectively administer justice. This is rooted in the Ten Commandments found in Exodus 20:16 “You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor". If you are a Satanist you might feel it is your religious obligation to lie, but if you are caught in America you will be punished. That's because the God of America, is the God of Israel and that God is a just God. You may not believe in justice, but in America we have a rule of law and seek truth and justice.

[Asker]

Really? Who the fuck decided that? I'm an American, and fuck anybody forcing their religion on me! America is NOT a theocracy! You get the fuck out of MY country! How fucking dare you fanatics?

[phraseology]

Sorry to break it to you, but you're extremely out numbered. 70% of Americans identify as Christian and 2.4% identify as Jewish. Power to the people and all that jazz.

[phraseology]

You should probably try reading the United States Declaration of Independence, Constitution of the United States, The Federalist Papers, etc. sometime. Then you'd know who We The People are. It's a good read.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

[phraseology]

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

[Asker]

So fucking what? That's your argument for shitting on other's right to not join a religious movement and forcing your religion on someone? Look up theocracy. That's not our form of government unless a bunch of religious fanatics start torturing and killing people who don't go along with the program! There was a time when most people thought the world was flat. So, don't give me this "outnumbered" bullshit!

[phraseology]

You sound like a pedophile, that's another thing that's against Christianity, and thus made it's way into American law. You'll probably be rounded up and face a military tribunal.

[Asker]

Can I force you to respect some atheist ideas? Do you realize that many of the Founding Fathers were not religious? Did you know that putting "God" on the money and in the Pledge of Allegiance didn't happen until the 20th century? I don't have to respect some "Jewish and Christian ideas" if I want to "live" here! That's utter bullshit! This mentality gives a foundation to create a theocracy. There's is also something called the "tyranny of the majority."

[phraseology]

Nope, you can't force me to be an a-Theist in America. Like I told you, we are a country of laws. The concept of law is rooted in moral responsibility which is the philosophical idea that you get praise or punishment for doing good or bad actions out of your own free will. The word good for example comes directly comes from God.

Old English gōd (with a long "o") "excellent, fine; valuable; desirable, favorable, beneficial; full, entire, complete;" of abstractions, actions, etc., "beneficial, effective; righteous, pious;" of persons or souls, "righteous, pious, virtuous;" probably originally "having the right or desirable quality," from Proto-Germanic *gōda- "fitting, suitable" (source also of Old Frisian god, Old Saxon gōd.

Thus if you are to live in a nation of laws, a nation that has a constitution, then you must believe in God.

[Asker]

How the actual fuck do you end up calling me a "pedophile" WTF is wrong with you people? Did you actually realize that you can be moral without religion? Seeing how many Catholic priests and other religious leaders use their religion to be pedophiles, steal money and other heinous crimes, don't sell me that "you need to be religious to be. moral crap " History has proven you wrong on that point repeatedly! The Jesuits and other "missionaries" created particularly cruel and inhuman, and disgusting tortured as they lead the way sharing the "Word" and the "love of God"! Did you ever study history?

[phraseology]

1) Atheism is a religion. That's how stupid you are. It arose out of the cult of reason in the French revolution as a reactionary movement against Christianity, more specifically the Catholic church. Christ represents Christianity and the Anti-Christ represents Atheism. Atheism literally means to move away from belief in God, and more specifically the God of Israel. That is, you must believe in God, and then choose to abandon God which is exactly what Satanism is. You leave the light and the life for the outer darkness and death.

2) Clearly if someone does not follow the creed of the Christian religion, they are not Christians. Thus "Catholic priests" that molest children are just like you, they Satanists that try to attack Christianity and the church through sacrilege and lies. Thus, just like them pedophilia is part of your religion, because it is the extreme sacrilege against God. Hurting children is a grave sin.

[phraseology]

3) I already proved to you that you can't be moral without religion. Your problem is that you do not understand English and you have an extremely low IQ. I'll give you a couple English definitions.

Etymology: The study of the origin and evolution of words

Moral: Of or concerned with the judgment of the goodness or badness of human action and character.

Thus logically to be moral you have to believe in both "good" and "bad" at a bare minimum.

From an etymological analysis we see "Good" is "God". That is directly where the word comes from in the English language.

Good
Old English gōd (with a long "o") "excellent, fine; valuable; desirable, favorable, beneficial; full, entire, complete;" of abstractions, actions, etc., "beneficial, effective; righteous, pious;" of persons or souls, "righteous, pious, virtuous;" probably originally "having the right or desirable quality," from Proto-Germanic *gōda- "fitting, suitable" (source also of Old Frisian god, Old Saxon gōd.

Thus if you believe in "Good" and "Bad", you automatically believe in "God". There is no logical way around it.

Religion: Belief in God.

You personally may not have reverence for God, but you do believe in God and thus choose "Bad" over "God". Like I already told you, Atheism is a religion. You've just chosen to go to the dark side. So, sure Atheist can be moral, they just have bad morality because either directly or indirectly they worship Satan. That's why you believe you have morality.

[phraseology]

If you didn't know any of that, then maybe you should stop using big worlds religion, moral, and good. Use a vocabulary that reflects your level of education and stop acting so pretentious.

[phraseology]

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[phraseology]

Just as it has always been, atheism's hypocrisy runs deep. They make claims that the Christian religion is oppressive (just like you), and then go on to oppress the Christians by mocking God, destroying sanctuaries, stealing private property, defaming Christians, murdering clergymen in the streets and burning people literature and artwork in the streets like devote Nazi socialists. The story is always the same with you guys. You bring death and destruction to anything you touch in your quest for absolute power.

[strateguy632]

If by dictate you mean religious coercion, that is obvious and no debate. Everyone knows that.

If you mean criticism! then religious can criticism sins.

[Asker]

Apparently, everyone DOESN'T know that! Just look at the comments here!

[strateguy632]

Nobody here said coerce.

[WindAtMyBack]

You are missing something very important.

Everyone has the right to petition and lobby for any kind of legislation they want. What you are suggesting is that religious people are excluded from that right.

They have just as much right to push their views as you do. Whether a person's views stem from religion, some kind of moral compass, or is simply opinion, does not matter. They have that right just like you do.

[Asker]

You are free to practice whichever religion you want. Nobody is excluding you from ANYTHING! You just DON'T have the right to IMPOSE your religion on others! It's not that hard to understand! This is NOT a theocracy! Simple!

[WindAtMyBack]

You are missing the point that it is NO different for religious people than anyone else.

[Asker]

Your comprehension level is pathetically low. You're just trying to be skillful in justifying being a religious bully! I don't care what religion you practice, just stay the fuck away from me and the millions of others who don't want to be bothered. America is big enough for all of us to peacefully co-exist!

[Asker]

I'm talking about theocracy, not proselytizing. There's a difference...

[WindAtMyBack]

Religious bully? Me? I'm an atheist. But that has nothing to do with it.

[Asker]

Then, I would think that you're not interested in the US government becoming a theocracy.

[WindAtMyBack]

You are totally missing the point. Religious people have EXACTLY the same rights to petition the government that anyone else does. No more. No less. You want to single them out and tell them they have less rights that you do.

[LiamJHayden]

#2. except it kind of does. Religion, or lack thereof, is part of a person's world view. That world view helps dictate how people vote. People often vote to restrict the behavior of others based upon their views. Age to vote? Age to smoke? Age to consume alcojol. Age of consent?

[jshm2]

You don't seem to grasp it either, dimwit.
Different religions proselytize in different ways as is their right.

[Asker]

Yes, I understand that, idiot! You can proselytize until you're blue in the face! That doesn't mean I have to agree or join you! Your religion guides you! I don't have to fucking do it! It's not my problem that you're butthurt because I won't go along! It's called Freedom of Religion... not Freedom to Persecute People Who Aren't Religious! It's not that hard to grasp!