Do you believe in religions What is your religious belief?

[Aylaxd]

Hello😊 I am a Turkish, I have been researching religions lately. Atheist and deist are popular in Turkey these days and I am interested in the deist religion. What is your religion? :)

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

I’m more spiritual than religious. I take bits and pieces of religions I’ve learned alongside other philosophies to make something that helps me feel more in-tune with the universe without adhering to a strict dogma, which is my biggest problem with a majority of popular religions such as atheism or christianity.

[Aylaxd]

The essence of all religions is the same. All religions want us to be good people, just be a good person, the rest doesn't matter

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

Say that to a monotheist lol

[Aylaxd]

? What do you mean

[WintersDaughter]

Hello! I'm Jewish re-state//background_color_rgba (0, 0, 0, 0), font_color_rgb (77, 77, 77), justifyLeft

[jshm2]

You aren't doing very good research then, as Turkey is actually more Islamic than secular.

[strateguy632]

Mine is new testament called injel.

Which god is the "deist" god?

[SeekerOfTruth007]

I don't believe in Religion. I believe in God.

Religion is a man-made idea of falsely pleasing one or more gods through rituals.

[d0x000]

Mhm, interesting. Do you believe in heaven and hell?

[Aylaxd]

Yeah, There is no proof that religions are real so deist...

[Agape93]

Hermetic thelema re-state//background_color_rgba (0, 0, 0, 0), font_color_rgb (77, 77, 77), justifyLeft

[In_Trance]

Religion is just a fancy word for fairy talere-state//background_color_rgba (0, 0, 0, 0), font_color_rgb (77, 77, 77), justifyLeft

[Aylaxd]

Yes , there is no proof that religions are real

[In_Trance]

The only proof you need is belief. If you believe it's real, it's real.

No different than covid, flat Earth, engineered weather, and celebrity earnings

[Aylaxd]

Where are you from

[ChicoFromThe305]

I'm Christian re-state//background_color_rgba (0, 0, 0, 0), font_color_rgb (77, 77, 77), justifyLeft

[Rockey_the_bicker]

Yes, and Islam re-state//background_color_rgba (0, 0, 0, 0), font_color_rgb (77, 77, 77), justifyLeft

[d0x000]

Yes. I'm a Muslim and I believe in Islam.

[Aylaxd]

Where are you from

[d0x000]

I'm from Qatar.

[Aylaxd]

I'm sorry, but why are Qatar and Arab countries so backward and ignorant? And they oppose science because all they think about is religion and religion

[d0x000]

What do you mean backward? And we don't oppose science. I mean, science is taught to children from the beginning of their school years up to high school and college, and if people wish to continue with a career in science, they can. For example, I and many of my colleagues work in the intersection of AI and medicine. We use a lot of mathematics, computer science, biology, and medicine. Islam doesn't forbid us from pursuing knowledge of the sciences.

[Aylaxd]

I am from Turkey and is an Islamic country, isn't it? But we are not religious people like Arab countries and we are forced to religion, in countries like Afghanistan and Iran women are very unhappy and will never be free

[d0x000]

Firstly, Afghanistan and Iran aren't Arab countries. Second, why are you telling me that the Turks aren't as religious as the Arabs? Third, what are you implying when you say women aren't happy in countries like Afghanistan and Iran, and what does it mean for a woman to be free?

[d0x000]

And I though we were talking about Qatar and science, why the sudden shift to Iran and Afghanistan?

[Aylaxd]

I mean, the countries that advance in religions are ignorant, all the women in Afghanistan are forced to be covered from head to toe and forbid reading to girls, these women want to be very unhappy and free

[d0x000]

Qatar and Saudi Arabia are countries that I would consider fairly conservative in terms of religion. Yet, it is one of the most developed countries in the world. I know women in Afghanistan are forced to be covered from heat to toe, and I am not sure about forbidding reading to the girls. My question inherently remains the same, what are you implying?

[Aylaxd]

Qatar and Saudi Arabia are developed countries? 🤣 these countries can do everything thanks to their oil. They are not developed countries, they are just rich. Even the buildings in Arabia are built by foreigners and they bring in foreign engineers.

[d0x000]

Doesn't change the fact that they're still developed. What makes that different from other developed countries?

[Aylaxd]

Forget it, I don't want to argue.

[d0x000]

It's better you don't. You've changed subjects three times now, I guess you've run out of things to say.

[Aylaxd]

When I talked about science, I talked about reading. Islam forbids women from studying and many other things. Arab countries have never been developed countries, they can do anything because they have oil, all they do is be religious, they don't work at all and they are very ignorant. There is not a single developed Islamic country in this world. they only think about religion

[d0x000]

Firstly, science does not mean reading, and you did not explicitly state that you are using science and reading interchangeably.

Second, Islam does not forbid women from studying, and there is no evidence you can provide that will support your claim.

Third, Arab countries have been developed for a particular period before this, in the same standard you would use to describe a developed country. There was a time when ideas, knowledge, and resources have been developed and shared to the rest of the world, even when the Europeans were still burning witches.

Fourthly, Arab countries can't do everything just because they have oil. And it seems you have a problem with that. It isn't like the West is developed solely based on intellectual ingenuity. Yes, Arabs do work, and they work very hard, and have been doing so for a long period of time. It shows from our discussion that you are way more ignorant they you project them to be.

And lastly, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, the UAE, Oman, among a few, are Islamic countries that are developed. They remain fairly conservative in terms of religion, but they are developed, even surpassing the West in certain metrics.

[d0x000]

Besides, I thought you said you didn't want to argue. Why did you continue?

[Aylaxd]

Ok bye

[Aylaxd]

I only support women being free

[d0x000]

I'm not sending you away, I just thought you said you didn't want to continue arguing. I just don't like it when people keep changing their minds.

[Aylaxd]

Türkiye is the most developed country among the Islamic countries and the only reason is that it is a secular country. How can you claim that other Arab countries are developed? Countries that attach importance to religion can never develop.

[d0x000]

And I'm happy for you, but don't start making false claims and wrong projections.

[Aylaxd]

شكرا لك وداعا

[Aylaxd]

أنا آسف إذا أزعجتك

[d0x000]

If it is a secular country, then it isn't an Islamic country. A country can't be Islamic and secular at the same time.

Qatar is more developed than Turkey, and Qatar is fairly conservative in terms of religion. For example, Qatar has a higher GDP per capita, lower unemployment rate, lower inflation rate, lower death rate, and more, metrics you would use to measure how developed a country is.

[d0x000]

Here you go again. Well, if you ever wanted to think things through, the replies are here.

[Aylaxd]

The reason for unemployment and inflation is the politicians who are in power right now, and so you say that Islam is not a free religion 😄 Search Turkey, everyone can do what they want here, and the reason why inflation is good for you is rich

[d0x000]

It doesn't change anything really. I never said Islam is not a free religion, I don't even know what that means. So you think that being able to do whatever you want is a good thing?

[Aylaxd]

Everyone is responsible for themselves You say that Turkey will not be a secular and at the same time Islamic country, so you say that Islam is not free I always advocate for women to be free and you keep saying that your country is developed, you are fooling yourself and Turkey has no official religion

[Subtle_Luminescence]

@d0x000 well done.

[d0x000]

Then Turkey can't be an Islamic country if it has not religion. It's basic common sense. Qatar is far developed than Turkey is. You can keep believing that it isn't, good on you. You say everyone is responsible for themselves yet when you have a criminal problem, you call the police to enforce the law. It's all hypocrisy.

[Subtle_Luminescence]

@d0x000 she's not educated enough. Won't blame her. The propaganda that runs in her country, giving culture and its hypocrisies more priority, religious heretics ruining the image of Islam and double standards of the people often take people away from Islam. I was a victim of such things in my country as well. There's lot of innovation and cultural practices under the guise of Islam where I live. It took me away from the religion. Then I started reading on my own.
@Aylaxd if Islam had forbidden women from education, how would you justify what
Fatima bint Muhammad Al-Fihriya Al-Qurashiya did? She was a Muslim woman who opened up world's first university. Know the religion and judge people who claim to follow the religion, not vice-versa.

[d0x000]

@Subtle_Luminescence And then she claims that Qatar and Arab countries are so backwards and ignorant.

[Subtle_Luminescence]

@d0x000 there is hypocrisy everywhere, I believe. Temples being built in UAE (the prophet SAW strictly prohibited idolatory from entering the Arabian lands), pubs, clubs, alcohol, music festivals etc becoming common there. Arab leaders not being like the way they were before... Manipulating Islam to justify the spinelessness of Arab leaders.
Oh how I wish the times of the Ottomans when they were great.. Like the times of Muhammad Al-Fateh, or Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahab RA would return.
The partisanship being limited to language, culture, nationality, ethnicity and division of Muslims based on sects and heretics has caused much damage.
Either way, Islam will win with or without us. It's us who need Islam. I hope we're guided to the right path. Tougher times are ahead.

[d0x000]

@Subtle_Luminescence Right.

[Subtle_Luminescence]

@d0x000 I know I'd be put into jail for calling out in middle east like that. But if we are to look at whose the correct scholar, I'd say look for them in the jails of Middle Eastern countries. They aren't innovators nor do they stand back from pointing out the wrong and evil deeds of the unjust rulers.
That being said, living in a non Muslim country myself where the majority is blood thirsty for Muslims, it is saddening to see how ridiculously people in Muslim majority countries are behaving. What Palestinians, Syrians, Sudanese, Kashmiris are facing is just the beginning and our test. Sooner or later, it WILL reach us.

[d0x000]

@Subtle_Luminescence Right. I think people nowadays twist Islam just to appease the West. It's like people are so much looking for validation from the Westerners to acknowledge Islam. It's making people do crazy things.

[Subtle_Luminescence]

@d0x000 as for Turkey, the zionists involving puppets Ataturk did a lot of damage to Turkey. From being a great empire of Ottomans to getting secularised.. It's come a long way. Even the current leadership may fool others to come off as 'Islamist', it's done plenty of good for 'Israel' for an 'Islamist'.

[Subtle_Luminescence]

@d0x000 exactly! I don't know why the insecurity is all about. Loss of our own lives shouldn't even be a question when we know what value martyrdom holds! It's many things.. Validation from the west, being pushed away from Islam because people have been bending it according to the culture, the things related to sexuality being so open and the temptations... All contribute to it.

[d0x000]

@Subtle_Luminescence There's nothing we can do except to hold steadfast.

[Subtle_Luminescence]

@d0x000 establish the Caliphate within your own household, guide those under your custody to be righteous and it'll be easier. Sitting back and looking out for yourself alone won't do much. I am very actively involved with working for Muslims in my country whenever I get the chance. I can afford the luxury to sit back and relax but it's not the way of a Muslim. The ruler is established upon the kind of people he rules. The Muslims before, واللہ, were truly men of God. They invested a lot in their worldly lives and they will reap it in hereafter in sha ALLAH. But there's a lot of ground work that needs to be done so that we can be glorious enough to be one of those who quaked for Islam. Eradicating evils from ourselves is the initial step. I get backlashes from my own family when I don't involve myself in the stupid cultural events do on marriage and ceremonies etc.
It's very important for us to understand Islam ourselves. It breaks us free from many unnecessary and useless shackles.

[d0x000]

@Subtle_Luminescence I understand. Alhamdullilah, we try to follow the salafi manhaj as much as we could in our own household.

[BCRanger10]

I am a traditional Catholic.

[Subtle_Luminescence]

I'm a Muslim. Alhamdullilla.

[turk55]

@Aylaxd

I m a Turkish. I m a Muslim.