I have a religion and science theory, do you agree?

[Kelly6]

As I have noticed in top 3 religions, Christianity Islam and Jew. There are many metrical and stories which all show as time control and time management from God, even Hell and heaven are timeless.

Religion says human were made by clay.

in new research DNA can survive in clay much longer then any other. Or any scientific theory you believe in how we were born.

even if we were from monkeys,

What if God just did fast forward on that and Human is created, or Adam is created 🤔.

should think about it.

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Muslims believe that Jesus just vanished and will arrive in future.

That sounds more like (Time Jump)

[Kaneki05]

It's crazy how many don't understand evolution, but simple answer no lol.

Even if you took something that can adapt and fast-forward it as you put it, the result would be disappointment it's not suddenly going to adapt without any cause.
One could argue the cause is time but time is not real.
Time is something we perceive because of our own natural responses to the world around us, to even metal rusting over a period however time did not cause that metal rust it was the chemicals that react to each other that did.

For one to change their would need to be some cause outside of time it's self. Just a right way to think about it, so you get clay fast-forward with no other outside impacts it will remain clay then you could say well god did something else it too then speed it up but...
This is where the lack of understanding evolution comes in, the way we've evolved is from millions of trivial to massive experiences that are impossible to calculate, and changed rapidly to slowly even the time we experienced them has effected it so it's really not something you could artificially imbue into something from the very start and fast forward.

Of course god is god but let's not go the he can do anything so it just worked as if we went that route why clay in the first place? Why not do it from nothing and be done with it, and it's not a theory with any plausible reason.

[ChicoFromThe305]

What doesn't make sense to me is if humans would've evolved from monkeys then how come we have monkeys now? It would mean not all humans evolved and it would mean not all humans can evolve naturally, thing is that when it comes to the past I can't say I don't believe science might have faultiness simply cause nobody was around back then so its a hole nobody can fill with certainty. to see the evolution of humanity and for me it's much easier to believe humans were handmade by the creator, given a breath of life and from then humanity continued, the writings of the bible for example were written by people that were existing back then, I'm not saying science is bullshit because I believe the things they discover now are true and it is indeed how God designed everything, science is basically an explanation of what already exists, it's not the creator of it so science and religion can click more than people realize, its just there's a gap of uncertainty within the history of everything before time and history was created to keep track, I like to believe that without god's will, the big bang would have never happened and neither would we, science believes it's an accident that it all happened even tho science itself estimated that the chances of something as big as the big bang being by accident is a decimal far less than 1% so I don't know why people choose to believe in that decimal.

[Kelly6]

@ChicoFromThe305
That I agree with you, as I don’t trust evolution thing. But just added in questions for people who believe in it

[ChicoFromThe305]

Yep it's a good question

[Kelly6]

@ChicoFromThe305 and does science say what was before big bang? blank white place? lol

why can't they agree that as big bang is what it says God created universe, and God can pass time in the universe to trillions of years in a second, as he controls time.

Science people should add TIME when they compare evolution and religion.

[slatyb]

No one says humans evelved from monkeys. All species appear to have evolved over hundreds of millions of billions of years from a common ancestors. Humans and chimpanzees diverged about 5 million years ago.

[Kaneki05]

@Kelly6 Your focusing to much on time, time is not a fundamental thing that exists therefore is not that useful in the way your thinking. Refer to my opinion as to why.

[Kaneki05]

@ChicoFromThe305 Glad to see you've made some progress not thinking scientists are lying, and that they have no clue what they are talking about lol.

[Kelly6]

@Kaneki05 WOW looks like you didn't understand my question. but I will blame that on my question.

[Kaneki05]

@Kelly6 Pretty sure I understood it unless you want to now say it's not about time? Which if so then I have no clue what your point was.

[Kelly6]

@Kaneki05 yes its about time but main thing is that I was religions saying and science theories,
that what if they both are talking same

[Kelly6]

@Kaneki05 If you had read Stephen Hawking's books about Time, you would have good idea what i ment.

[Kaneki05]

@Kelly6 Ah so your not bothered about this theory necessarily, but the idea on a whole that the bible and science are compatible I see.
They aren't compatible but it's what a believers cope with saying as they themselves can't deny when science is providing legitimate evidence that contradicts the bible, so then they have to come with a work around within some context of the bible to try make it fit.

It's a futile idea but if that's what they want to do that's their choice. It's better than the alternative of rejecting science at least and much less harmful overall so I like it more myself even.

[Kaneki05]

@Kelly6 Well it's the fact I've read Hawking's books, I've watched his interviews and like him a lot that I questioned your understanding on time tbh.
Which it seems like you didn't because god wouldn't be able to control time as it don't exist. But if your not saying that he would literally control time then that's fine then, and I think you get it but wording things badly.

[ChicoFromThe305]

I never said they were all lying but I said they easily could if they wanted too, i still haven't had a person tell me this evidence that contradicts anything in the bible, only people that lack faith see these contradictions, the facts are anything can be a contradiction if you believe it, I've never heard of anything valid.

[ChicoFromThe305]

Kelly save your time and breath, the dude worships monkeys 😂

[Kaneki05]

@ChicoFromThe305 So not really then still in denial what a shame, was hoping you had come to the light a bit. (Irony intended)
There is plenty all you have to do is read the whole thing on creation, a woman didn't come from a man's rib and then bango presto civilization started.

[ChicoFromThe305]

So ooo oooo ahh ahh monkeys turning to humans makes sense? That's not a contradiction, science is guessing on the evolution of humans because of the relations we share with monkeys, we are supposedly about 75% or something like that related to bananas, you believe we are part bananas too? Perhaps you do cause you think you originate from monkeys, I wouldn't be surprised if you wanna be a banana.

[Kaneki05]

@ChicoFromThe305 At least Monkeys exist and have tangible evidence that we share obvious traits that clearly stem from somewhere common.
Not just a old tale about some dude created from dirt got his rib took out and here comes a woman, then they make babies that somehow withstands all odds to become a full blown 8Billion people over time...

[ChicoFromThe305]

So it takes hundreds of thousands of years to millions of years for animals to evolve and you are telling me humans only started counting 2025 years ago after evolving from monkeys?, that doesn't make any sense, sounds to me like humanity just didn't exist before a few years before what was counted, we accomplished a lot in those 2025 years, I would assume if humans were a thing before that the conditions of our planet would be a lot worse considering all damage we have done was done within that year count, humans making humans after a couple being created by a creator makes a lot more sense than monkeys turn to humans and all of a sudden started destroying their environment, if monkeys now still don't destroy their environment then not only would that be evidence that monkeys were actually devolving but it also doesn't make sense how monkeys still exist, it just makes more sense that sin exists and it led humanity in this route and that humans were never monkeys, nobody gives me the response to any monkeys still exist, perhaps cause deep down they know it shoots down their theory

[Kaneki05]

@ChicoFromThe305 That's not how evolution works, that's why.
Your problem is thinking it's linear. Evolution is not.
It never has and never will work like oh once a human happens, other ancestors and primates just cease to exist.
It has several paths.
So this is you fundamentally not understanding evolution. We started evolution from the very beginning like everything else that's how we got here, but nothing everything turned out the same, not even the ones who are most related.

[ChicoFromThe305]

It's exactly how it works because any other forms of evolution from any other animal doesn't have the "previous versions" of what they evolved from, they only have the version they evolved too, or we would still have gators the size of school buses and sharks the size of buildings, we would still have many prehistoric birds and animals, just admit the idea is faulty.

[Kaneki05]

@ChicoFromThe305 Also would like to add Evolution is not a moral thing, good or bad thing it's just a response to something within our climate. Therefore the point we are devolving as now we do worse things don't mean much, the worse thing is something you perceive to be so is not objective.
For all we know is the destroying the environment is the next step of evolution we just aren't aware of it. There are several creatures that are parasites which simply serve to cull animals populations from growing to big, and we humans removed parasites from ourselves so... what's going to cull us?

[Kaneki05]

@ChicoFromThe305 No... there is several of reasons why such creatures died off and it wasn't just because the next version was born. However one would be right in some cases that the next evolution was to survive something the last couldn't but this is not always the case.

Fun fact, A lot of large stuff in the past actually had to die off because of the change of oxygen in the air.

[ChicoFromThe305]

The difference is that no other form of living thing on the planet has the ability to process and question right and wrong like we can, the fact that we can and have the ability to not just question but act and even feel a type of way such as guilt, shame or pride and happiness points more to the reality of right and wrong being a thing rather than it just being an act of nature, because if it was just an act of nature then the exclusion of us being aware of such things probably wouldn't exist, I like to believe there's a purpose on why we can and have such abilities and I don't believe it's all coincidental or that somehow humans just evolved to the top of the food chain, we were designed to be this way and considering religion itself formed is traces of an actual god or creator, if you believe a huge percentage of humanity is just believing in a creator for no reason and it formed from nothing, then I don't know what to tell you but logically speaking of the words of God had no power and it was fiction then it would've fallen off after it's era and been along side other fictional books that don't have any actual value when it comes to truth, there's a form of power keeping religion alive and not only is it unexplainable but the best way people describe it as is faith but that faith doesn't just form from nothing, even for scientists, them having an idea of assumption about how something works comes from something, they don't just wake up one day and go like "I wanna talk bullshit today"

[ChicoFromThe305]

they have faith what they believe about something is true, the only difference is that with science you can't feel the truth or see it in a way that isn't in a physical form and I believe that is a faulty way to live because the possibilities of anything existing always has a possibility even if it's a small one, refusing the existence of something because you don't see it might end up biting you in the ass, I'm sure if it wasn't for technology many things we can't see with our eyes wouldn't have been discovered and people wouldn't believe it exists, I believe science just hasn't caught up to spirituality yet, they maybe will one day when their technology advances perhaps, if different dimensions exist and different realms exist will probably remain unknown to science for a long time but through faith you open the door to seeing the actual evidence, until you give that a try you'll probably never see the evidence and if that is the case then your salvation relies on it too.

[ChicoFromThe305]

We will know for certain when we die but until then I choose to have faith on a purpose, a destination, a creator and salvation, until I die, I will continue to motivate others to try growing that faith, I have nothing to lose and a lot to gain that way.

[Kaneki05]

The whole reason humans even process shame, pride and such thoughts is because our ancestors did and so do our primates. All our tribal instincts have existed for a long time, and having pride in a pack is part of that.
The only reason humans became unique as you think was thanks to the simple reality of a useful thumb. It allowed us to invent more as we did our thoughts also became more complex around that, weapons are the reason we topped the food chain been able to create are own weapons on demand compared to animals who had to use their own body.
And how we got those was by our thumbs been useful and most optimal after such evolution's.

And yeah there has been several psychological studies to why people are religious or join weird groups or look to astrology. Funnily enough a lot of goes back to tribalism... which is directly linked to our more animalistic nature. It's a coping mechanism.
Not that special really that it would stick around and last for a long time, we are the more social and tribal creatures of them all really. So of course having a religion that brings you together and explains away problems would work, it would be a shocker if it didn't.

So no it would not need to come from genuine idea, any cult to astrology should show you humans just like to believe this stuff and have something in common to believe with others.

[Kaneki05]

Hell science is that too but the difference is science actively tries to disprove it's own theories and ideals until the evidence is basically impossible to disprove and it's a tangible equation not a faith of this is true because I feel it and we can't explain it but we are right... and when told that it don't line up with facts the best response is typically them not understanding what they were even wrong with.

Like how you don't understand evolution. I hope one day you come to understand it, and I don't care if it changes your faith or not. In fact I hope it don't, as that's not what you want and I respect that but I do hope you understand evolution, as learning is a positive and ya know you could come back at me with a better response, and see what debate you would come with understanding it.

[ChicoFromThe305]

Whatever you gotta tell yourself, it's your salvation

[CarolinaGirl5]

I'm not understanding because from what I've read dust we come and dust we go. It's in genesis.. what gets me is how Judaism talks about a woman named Lilith

[electromagnetic]

I’ll take the clay theory over monkeys anyway.

[Kelly6]

@electromagnetic same here

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

I do agree, because I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by Him. It was He who created all that we see and all that we feel. We feel strongly that the overwhelming scientific evidence pointing towards evolutionary processes is nothing but a coincidence, put in place by Him.

Some find that hard to believe, so it may be helpful to tell you a little more about my beliefs. I have evidence that He created the universe. I have several lengthy volumes explaining all details of His power. Also, you may be surprised to hear that we, believers, are over 10 million of fellows, and growing. We tend to be very secretive, as many people claim our beliefs are not substantiated by observable evidence.

But He built the world to make us think the earth is older than it really is. For example, a scientist may perform a carbon-dating process on an artifact. He finds that approximately 75% of the Carbon-14 has decayed by electron emission to Nitrogen-14, and infers that this artifact is approximately 10,000 years old, as the half-life of Carbon-14 appears to be 5,730 years. But what our scientist does not realize is that every time he makes a measurement, He is there changing the results with His Noodly Appendage.

[AviatorTom]

The Theory of Evolution (yes, it's a theory, unproven but there's a lot of evidence that suggest it's a good theory) says that humans, chimpanzees and other apes evolved from a common ancestor. It does not say humans evolved from monkeys.

DNA is found in every living creature which indicates that we are all connected. Human, chimpanzee and bonobo DNA are most like each other.

If you take the Bible figuratively, not literally, as many people do, perhaps Adam is the creature, not necessarily human, that is our common ancestor.

[Kelly6]

@AviatorTom
very much makes sense.

[genericname85]

we were definitely not "made from clay" or did we live in clay. some of the stuff that the first living beings were made off also exist in clay but that's as far as the connection goes. also we did not come "from monkeys". we are still monkeys. that's how evolution works. whatever is in your evolutional line, you're still all these things. like you don't just stop being a mammal either just to name a very simple example. you're also still an animal and an eukariote or a simian. we call it cladistics and it's the logical way we're naming stuff that's alive. it goes from higher order to lower order. no species ever just leaves a higher order their ancestors where in. they just diversify in the lower orders... tho to be exact: monkey isn't a scientific word, it's more informal layman language. "primate" is the right scientific word. and we still are that.

[llorando]

What if God didn't have to fast-forward, and skipped instantly to when Adam was created. Is it possible God/heaven exist in a alternate universe/reality where time doesn't exist, but is able to access ours at any point in time. God pokes into to our universe/reality, plants the seed for Adam, returns to his then returns to our at a later point in our time line.

[Kelly6]

yes.
but I just made easy for science people

[lil_will_12]

Clay isn't alive tho

So if the only thing god did was speed up time, then nothing would happen to the clay except it just gets old💀

i believe in evolution tbh, its backed by good scientific evidence, and any other way that humans have come to this earth, seems so far fetched or impossible to me. but thats just me, maybe im wrong🤷‍♂️

[FunkyMonkee]

I believe aliens (Enlil & Inki), who wanted our gold, came from, another planet and mixed their DNA with that of the monkeys that were already here to create a slave race that'd do the mining FOR them, which greatly sped-up (or just changed) evolution. That would also explain the so-called, "missing link". There ISN'T one!!

[Jennz6]

@Kelly6

I believe if there was a big bang, God made it happen. God created everything ❤️

[turnpost]

Umm no Muslim believe the same as Christians, its just he is a prophet messenger

Not Gods son.

[turnpost]

There never has been any religion that admitted that they were wrong on there opinion of belief.

Religions become mytholigized when there taken over by a stronger power. Nordic, Greeks, Egytians, Japan Shintoism all of them died because they lost power tk back there claims.

[jahaims]

Judaism is the 7th most popular religion. Jew isn't a religion. Judaism is the religion that most Jewish people follow. You can be considered Jewish without following the religion. Jewish is considered an ethnicity as well.

[OfDeath]

No. From the way your question is written it also looks like an explanation why would be lost on you. In short, your hypothesis doesn’t match with scientific evidence.

[9in_Serpent]

People dont understand how similar we all are and focus to much about what divides us…. We are all beings of pure love!

[DrPepper12]

Ok... <<< walks away slowly while maintaining complete eye contact with asker >>>

[beefcakebradybatson]

So THAT'S why many Trump supporters are dumber than apes !!!

[slatyb]

Come back when you know something of science.

[Kelly6]

So people of religion know nothing of science?

[slatyb]

Some religious people do. People who attempt to believe that Genesis is literally true not much.

[Bricealan]

@Kelly6 I am an evolutionist

[Grond21]

I am not understanding your theory

[Christian_Cartier]

Can you explain your theory clearly please?