Pro choice Christian, does God support abortion?

[Anonymous]

Doesn't God send abortive women to hell unless they truly suffer from remorse before death?

[Dargil]

Commandment 6: You shall not murder. You can lawyer and rationalize all you want but dats da fact, as the preacher would say.

unless they truly suffer from remorse before death

When we die, we await the final resurrection and final judgement. Without *confession, *repentance and *asking G0d for forgiveness of the sin of murder, (which He will freely give), you are subject to final judgement; not torture in eternal damnation, but Spiritual Death, which is eternal separation from The Creator. G0d knows if we are forthright and not BS-ing Him.

The period of time we are in the ground or in a jar is called, in Greek, Phulake (purification) loosely translated Purgatory in Catholic-ese. followed by resurrection, judgement and "ascension into "Heaven", if we make the cut. Our Soul/Spirit/Essence is rejoined with The Creator, indivisible from Him.

We don't stand around in choir robes singing hymns. Its not like they present it in the movies. Nobody is looking down on us and smiling. They are in the ground, waiting until the Final Judgment aka Day of Reckoning, aka Day of the Lord. Don't like it? That's just the way it is.

[Asker]

Remorse should happen before death

[Miristheiss]

God blessed them and said to them, “BE FRUITFUL AND MULTIPLY; fill the earth and subdue it.

“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
before you were born I set you apart"

"I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
your works are wonderful"

" Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh"

"Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge"

It doesn't sound like killing our babies was what he had in mind. Getting married, being fruitful, being faithful, having families, not committing adultery. Not, going on more trips and partying more, sleeping around (WHOREMONGERS AND ADULTERERS GOD WILL JUDGE), and killing the growing baby if sleeping around ends up causing a kid and ruining your freedom and partying and travel and drinking.

Hell? It says everyone has earned hell unless we repent so abortion can be forgiven through Jesus like any other sin, but if people reject the free gift then they get whatever justice is due to them for the life they've led.

[Asker]

If the woman truly regrets

[chrissykerdock]

god doesn't support abortions no one knows the punishment other than karma i know a few girls who got abortions both were truly sorry and both gave birth soon after it's not so easy abortions

[SixFootSexy]

If you swallow all that baby batter, no abortion needed...

[chrissykerdock]

@SixFootSexy true u does

[PeachyPie93]

None of the three main religious books directly says anything about abortions.. and abortions have always happened.. so clearly god doesn't care.

[Asker]

Thou shall not kill

[PeachyPie93]

You kill animals, you can kill in wars.. it doesn't say don't take a fetus piece of shit out of a pussy..

[Asker]

It is not just taking. It deliberately kills tge unborn.

[PeachyPie93]

It's not a person yet so really it doesn't matter, people have miscarriages all the time..

[Asker]

Miscarriage is not deliberately killing the unborn.
Born people die all the time too. I guess according to your logic killing them shouldn't matter too.

[PeachyPie93]

No one knows the baby so it isn't important its different with a born and live baby or person..

[PeachyPie93]

You are killing what could be not what is.. since a baby born at that time will not survive outside the womb.

[Asker]

Not knowing someone personally doesn't mean killing is ok. I don't know all the 8 billion people but that doesn't mean killing any stranger is ok unless for self defense

[PeachyPie93]

No one knows it and no one loves it.. so it isn't important to anyone in the world. If you kill an ant does anyone care? No. It isn't a living breathing person it is a micro organism that can develop into a human. The bible says if two guys gets into a fight and accidentally falls into a pregnant lady and she loses the baby he has to pay a small fine to the parents, if the pregnant lady gets hurt or dies he will be punished the same way a life for a life. Unborn babies are not as important as a live human being.

[PeachyPie93]

Also god knows all so if abortions were banned they would be mentioned as a bad thing to do.

[Asker]

You shall not kill refers to human beings. An ant us not a human being.
Pretending that a fetus is a dufferent organism won't change God's morals. You can't stop God from. sending abortive women to hell, can you?

"The bible says if two guys gets into a fight and accidentally falls into a pregnant lady and she loses the baby"

ACCIDENTALLY losing is not abortion. Abortion is DELIBERATELY killing the fetus. A fetus has a soul given by God.

[PeachyPie93]

I don't see it as a life since it doesn't exist on it's own..
But I also don't personally care since I am not god, and I don't really care what others do.. a bitch is going to hell anyways since how is she pregnant with a baby she don't want unless she was fornicating and being a whore? We are all going to hell regardless since we all sin.. no one will be saved not even you.

[Asker]

That's what you want to think

[jshm2]

Not Christian. But to be fair the issue isn't around religion or abortion. It's about the politics of choice, and consequences.

Currently in the US, if a woman is dying due to a dead foetus going sceptic, then she cannot "abort". Both the hospital and her will get in trouble, if she lives.

So the hospital and her have to make a "choice" to abort the baby another way off the records, so to speak. That is a lot of cost and extra management for both to deal with.

As for "abortive women" - they tend to have home or backroom births/abortions anyway. So it makes little difference if it's legal or not, as most cannot afford the usual medical bills.

[Asker]

Nope. Very few women would get unsafe abortions. Let's not underestimate women's mental capacities.

[nawtee_me]

Suffering remorse means nothing… Thou shalt not kill is one of the Ten Commandments. Salvation comes from a relationship with Jesus Christ. The only way to have that relationship is by accepting Him as Lord and savior. Paul writes in the book of Roman that if you confess that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead then you will be saved.
Without salvation a person can suffer remorse until death and still go to hell. No on can earn there way out of hell. Salvation is a free gift for those who accept Jesus as Lord and Savior.

[Asker]

That is still not a thing if she is glad she got an abortion

[LiamJHayden]

In Christianity salvation is via trusting belief in Jesus. Perfect adherence to God's will would be great, but is not achievable this side of eternity. His death is seen as an infinite sacrifice and is the dividing line.

That said, I dislike selective abortion, but do not trust government with the power over the issue.

Biblically, it might seem clear to many, but for crimes worthy of death it is never said that if she is pregnant the penalty must be postponed so I am not so sure.

[BCRanger10]

No. Abortion is contrary to both natural and divine law. It is objectively evil and cannot be approved or condoned by any Christian.

[Asker]

. I have read many responses of Christians who are initimidated by pro choice atheists critique of forcing religous beliefs. So in order to be "respected" and praised by such atheusts these Christians say "I as a Christian wouldn't get an abortion but I want women to choose what to do with their bodies".
They want to get win win situation. Not to displease God but at the same

[BCRanger10]

What they don't realize is that the whole "don't force your beliefs" bit is itself a form of, if you will, "evangelization". And many of them fall for it.

[D_Bone_Steak]

I got to wonder if there is a God, it doesn't seem to give a shit about abortion. I mean it could start some fires or something... nothing though.

[Asker]

He judges after our death

[D_Bone_Steak]

Well then... that's pretty convenient. It's things like that that makes it hard for me to accept the religious side of arguments. It's too faith based and backed by little more than "because the bible says it's so" types of logic. As for being pro-choice though... I can see lowered crime rates and point at other statistics that can be strongly correlated. I mean I still think maybe they shouldn't engage in baby making behavior unless they're ready for babies or at least check out other birth control methods if they just have to engage in inconsequential sex. But it is usually one less mouth on welfare services or a victim of being an unwanted child.

But I can't support or argue against something like "He judges after our death." Where you get that from? other humans that just happen to talk to God? Sure... I'll just have to take your word on that I suppose. Realistically we don't know if he is ultra down with abortion or not... or if he's even real.

[Asker]

I started to believe in heaven and hell at 28.
At 23 I considered the probability of afterlife. Before that I didn't believe in it at all. I didn't even think of it lol

[D_Bone_Steak]

Well, I'll respect your spiritual journey even if I can make sense out of it. This topic of abortion though seems to be on the top of my Mom's mind. Keeps texting my wife about how she wishes she aborted me for like the last 3 days. lolz, all I can do is laugh at it and roll with the punches.

[Asker]

What kind of mother wishes their kid stopped existing?

[D_Bone_Steak]

She suffers from heavy narcissism. Add Facebook and she slowly just went completely crazy. I've had to block her, my two sisters also had to block her. Just another victim of social media I guess. I've noticed narcissistic people don't fare well with social media... especially when they didn't grow up with it.

[Anonymous]

Christan here who's politically pro choice and personally pro life. While God doesn't support abortion, he does support forgiveness for those who are remorseful about having an abortion and ask God for forgiveness. by the way, I'm politically pro choice because Jesus taught his followers not to cast judgement on others.

[Asker]

Is saying "God, forgive me. I know it was a sin" but she is glad she got an abortion.

[Anonymous]

nope. Christianity and abortion are incompatible yet weak Protestantism has watered it down and begin accepting all forms of corruption and degeneracy

[Sevenpointfive]

i don't think they had coat hangers back then. it was more punch your woman in the stomach every day until the fetus fell out.

[Asker]

Whatever they did. Any abortion method is murder

[Sevenpointfive]

that's like saying a miscarriage isn't an abortion

[Asker]

That's like saying death and murder aren't the same things

[Sevenpointfive]

how exactly? you can't tell me everyone's death is murder. murder has intention. death can be accidental

[Sevenpointfive]

and it can be both at the same time

[Asker]

Deliberately killing the fetus does have intention

[Sevenpointfive]

i'm not saying he's a good father. i'm now talking about the women that miscarry on their own naturally

[Asker]

Now you are talking about a different topic

[Sevenpointfive]

well? does god support natural abortion or she to blame and is a murderer?

[Asker]

Miscarriage?

[Sevenpointfive]

that's a word to not take responsibility for killing your baby

[Asker]

It is not deliberate killing.

[Sevenpointfive]

and SIDS exists right? wrong. it's murder because of a stupid woman.

*note: i'm not calling all women stupid nor hate most of them

[slatyb]

Over half of human pregnancies end in spontaneous abortion, and many children die of starvation or disease. God doesn't care.

[Asker]

Does God stop you from feeding hungry people?

[slatyb]

I can't feed the world. We could provide food, shelter, and medical care for all in the US but the Christians won't vote for it. Besides starvation (mostly caused by war), there's millions of children dying from God-given diseases.

[Asker]

God gave us brains to fix problems. If he was going to fix everything why to even create us?

[slatyb]

Why keep defending the indefensible and instead accept that God isn't real?

[Asker]

"accept that God isn't real"
You claim. God is not real. Prove God doesn't exist. I know you will say you can't prove the negative. That is what atheists say. Yet you CLAIM God is not real. Lol
How can you deny his existence?

[AviatorTom]

God doesn't approve anything, and even if He dud, no human knows that. He gave humans free will, to do what's right.

[Asker]

That is something a pedophile would say

[genericname85]

god in the bible generally seems to be in favor of just killing off people you don't like. he does it himself and he condones it when certain people do it as well.

[Asker]

God can take away human lives. He is God.
You are not. I am not.

[genericname85]

how do you call someone who doesn't abide by his own rules?

[Asker]

His rules aka commandments are written for human beings.
We are human beings. We are not God.

[genericname85]

also if something is morally wrong, it's wrong no matter who does it.

[Asker]

No matter WHO which human being does.
I agree.

[genericname85]

he's higher than us. so his rules should be more strict, not less strict. cause we're more flawed than he is.

[Asker]

His rules directed to whom should be strict?

[genericname85]

i don't make exceptions for god. god doesn't get a free pass for being an asshole just cause he's god.

[genericname85]

let me ask you this: is it ever ok to kill someone?

[Asker]

He is the one who takes away lives and decides where each soul should go after death depending on their own sins.

[Asker]

It is never ok for any human being to kill a human being.

[genericname85]

well there you go. your morals are better than your gods morals. you're a good person.

[Asker]

I can't be better than Jesus. No one can.

[Asker]

I as a powerless human being should be pure. God as the powerful creature judges each one of us for our sins. We don't have that authority.

[genericname85]

yes. you already demonstrated that you are. and if you are, then i would say that a considerable amount of people are.

[genericname85]

your reasoning is litteral stockholm syndrome.

[Asker]

I could never ask Gid to. forgive those who tortured me in so many cruel ways. Only Jesus could still love human beings even when he was given so much sufferring.

[genericname85]

well if i punch you in the face, you'd call the cops. if god punches you in the face, you just go "he must have his reasons". don't you see that some things just aren't ok no matter the reason for it?

[Asker]

God is free to punish me. He has that authority.
What you don't understand is God and human beings are not equal.

[Asker]

So if God punchea you what would you do? Lol
Call the police?

[Anonymous]

Nobody has proof of a god sending anyone to hell as there is no proof of god or hell. Here's a spin. If there is a god and they are so forgiving of obnoxious behavior perhaps hell is the happier party to be at.

[SpaceGalaxy]

Thou shall not kill yet Christians have killed more people in history than anyone else, like in wars and executions throughout century. Nothing has caused more death than religion

[Asker]

murderers regardless of religion go to hell

[SpaceGalaxy]

@marish01 hell/heaven/religion = all man-made

[Amur8711]

Thats the wrong translation, the correct translation is "Thou shall not murder"

Also it's not a religion but Communism has killed more than religion.

[Pohjolan]

Either god doesn't exist or he couldn't be bothered to have that mentioned in the bible.

[Asker]

Thou shall not murder

[Pohjolan]

@marish01
Its hardly murder though at least at the point where its less sentient than a ant.

Next verse.

[Asker]

It is murder since it has a soul. An ant doesn't

[Pohjolan]

@marish01
So if we produce 1 000 000 embryos on a cellular level in lab then we also commit genocide if we torch them in a oven after the test is over?
Also tell me if we make a ant/human hybrid, at what percentage does it have a soul or is soulless.
Like is it fine to experiment on embryos that are 1% ant? And what if we have have a ant colony that is 1% human?

Anyway a god didn't bother mentioning abortion specifically either because he doesn't care that much or because the texts are written by human authors.
by the way our brains don't have a part for a soul IRL.

[Asker]

Yes it is murder.

[Asker]

An embryo has a soul

[Pohjolan]

So a embryo that is 1% human and 99% ant has a soul?

[Asker]

Why do you compare a homosapien with an insect?

[Pohjolan]

@marish01
Do gorillas have souls then?

[Anonymous]

Thou shall not kill , if she repents she should be saved under Christianity tho.

[Asker]

If she wishes she hasn't done it

[Opinion Owner]

Then she should be forgiven.

[Asker]

Yes..

[Staximus]

God sends women to hell about as much as Santa Claus does

[Pete671]

No they just cease to exist and won't be part of the new paradise after armageddon,,,

[blackeagle007]

Oh here we go. Now we got religion and Donald asshat trump views going.

[MasterKS]

Abortion is normal act in todays era! God also modernised! LOL

[Gwendoline]

No. I don't believe God does.

[seeyounexttuesday]

It’s pretty clear God’s against murder.

[DJB72]

I've never met a Christian who was pro infanticide

[Grond21]

I'm pro life, can I comment?

[Asker]

Yes..

[Grond21]

God judges the hearts. Some actions are inherently evil, but we don't always do them with full knowledge and consent of the will. So he takes all of that into account.

[Asker]

What kind of pure heart would rip off her baby because she doens't want it to live?

[Grond21]

A confused one who has been lied to

[Asker]

Not confusion.

[Asker]

They know exactly what they do.

[Grond21]

I will let God judge their hearts

[Asker]

Yes but if you care about them at least you will try to help them by telling it is murder.

[Grond21]

There are many ways to help them depending on the person and the situation, because it's not one size it's all. But you're right it is murder and they need to know about it.

[Asker]

And Christians who approve of abortion deny Jesus like Peter did when it benefitted him

[Grond21]

Those who do so knowingly don't deny Jesus explicitly, but they do stand opposed to him

[Asker]

Because it benefits them. I have read many responses of Christians who are initimidated by pro choice atheists critique of forcing religous beliefs. So in order to be "respected" and praised by such atheusts these Christians say "I as a Christian wouldn't get an abortion but I want women to choose what to do with their bodies".
They want to get win win situation. Not to displease God but at the same time not to make atheists angry.

[Grond21]

Yes, that is well noticed. Its a real problem

[Asker]

Such people are able to betray anyine if they can betray God

[Grond21]

Let's hope for their sakes they change and stand by him

[Jennz6]

She must confess her sins

[chrissykerdock]

you need to be disciplined

[Cubus]

Of course not. Dates back to Sinai

[eagle1951]

NO!!