Is Jesus God or the son of God?

[Anonymous]

If He is God, did God pray to Himself?

[PavlovsCogk]

I see the capitalized "Himself" and "God". Who cares to capitalize that? It's as if аdmins fully automated bots to ask these questions. And if not, it sounds like someone so obsessed with their religion they likely already have their own answer set in stone and won't lead a thoughtful discussion. That's why i avoid forums dedicated to anything metaphysical.

First of all the bible consists of many different books with a wide variety of origins. Some of it might be historical account, majority is not. There are a wide variety of esoteric concepts in it. Some of it outdated even as a spiritual teaching. Because spirituality also evolves.

Jesus is a name given to man who supposedly preached about voluntary love. But the impulse of christ is in all of us right now, often stronger in non religious people than religious people.

The act of praying "Not my will, but your be done" is simply aligning your actions to the greater good. In a sense, speaking to himself, but so are you in a sense speaking to yourself, whether you believe in this sensationalized big bang where we all used to be one chunk of matter, or that the spirit that created the universe dwells in everything, that means in you too and in me too. But that's mental masturbation.

The way to make sense christian stories without dogma is esoteric (occult) christianity. It is in fact the most sense-making and real observation-matching interpretation of the myths about angels that i have come across. Because it also does not deny the material science which disproves popular religions based on literal interpretations of myths.

To summarize which, in dumbed down but relatively resembling terms, think of it as a regular man who was possesed by the spirit of love with the goal to elevate humanity into also a more evolved and loving kingdom.

Because wisdom and individuality alone do not make you good and loving. Mythologically, Lucifer tempted adam and eve (a primitive early race of humans older than neanderthals) in order to gift them an ego, a sense of self, which enables the capacity for both good and evil. The "garden of eden" then was merely the lack of self-awareness, a dreamy unconscious unity with nature and the spiritual, without individuality or moral choice.

Therefore you should be a loving person in order to elevate the entire planet to a better state, eventually humanity ascending to beings similar to angels.

I now see your comments that show you're not a bot. Forget the first paragraph. Maybe your direct answer is that we obviously have multiple parts that you call self. There is the flesh body (which prays) and the spiritusl being (prayed to). As is obvious in the discrepancy of what type of information you reques and receive when "remote viewing".

None of this spiritual stuff is strange once you yourself practice any form of "parapsychology", go try your own sessions of "remote viewing" to prove to yourself. Consciousness is not confined to the brain. Your body is a vessel for your spiritual being. There are also very few other explanations for children who talk about past lives that are verified to be factual.

Since @alice55 asked today, I'll post a screenshot of one of many declassified official CIA documents and you can google for more,

This is pretty similar to what my remote viewing was when i used it to prove to @ngs54, even a photo she was supposed to take a week into the future, we both first uploaded and then exchanged access. (She gave me permission a year ago to share these) the same day picture:

Picture in the future:

[alice55]

Thank you for showing me this, this is extremely interesting.
Wow that's really crazy how people are able to do this.
CIA seem to make a lot of research about everything. This then alien, I'm wondering which kind of other research they did too.
My mother talked about something called Medbed (like bed that when you lie into them make you healthy again) I'm wondering if CIA is also working on it.

I always thought this kind of stuff was scary since it can literally see in the future, is it both amazing and a bit scary but extremely interesting.

I don't think I could do something like that though

[PavlovsCogk]

@alice55 it takes no practice. Cia recruited thousands of people from the general population generally anyone could do it to some extent within minutes. We use our mind in various overlooked but fascinating ways all the time.

Simply searching that term "remote viewing" online quickly finds practice targets. Which are lists of links to pictures. Before opening each picture, you just set the intention to know what's on it and write down whatever thought or feeling arises immediately, whatever your hand scribbles.

That's it. At least that's all i did.

Oher forms of divination, tarot cards, geomancy, etc also operate the same way by allowing your subconscious to float to the surface after the intention was set.

These psychic tools though are what i refer to as outdated spirituality. They're not 100% reliable. They operate by your subconscious mind and you're just a passive dreamy recipient. On the other hand, developing spiritually perceptive faculties which esoteric religions teach, resemble on the surface, but vastly differ from common practices involving meditation and ritualtic repetitive actions (not for psychic work, but merely to develop willpower), will lead to 100% reliable spiritual vision, and true spiritual evolution.

[alice55]

This is pretty amazing, human mind is able to do so much stuff.

I Will try it, i m curious of what the result Will be 😺
I Hope I Will be able to do it succesfully 🙏🏻

Tarot cards are harder to do no? Therés a spécial ways for it I Heard

This seem like hard work no? To develop good spiritual vision you need to work ok it a lot / often.
All of this is extremely interesting, I Will try it see if I m successful 😺

[strateguy632]

Superb presentation of this problem! So this is a theological debate between churches. Some answer jesus is divine. Others for example jehova witness and unitarian Christians teach not divine.

Paul was careful to write that both faiths are valid , i mean "either gate" is a valid way to jesus. In book romans by the formula "you are saved" he said "if you say by mouth jesus is lord" the greek is not "theo" so no need to believe theo, can believe he is not god theo, is a valid faith.

Similarly if people interpreted literally "i and my father are one" in book john 10, as the audience understood him, and angry, he is the same as the father... either way his body can pray to the divine,

or as a non divine son, he can pray to divine.

[Dargil]

G0d appears in three separate manifestations all of which are one G0d. They are Father son and holy spirit. In Jesus Christ was all man and all God at the same time. And when Jesus Christ prayed he was praying in his expression as a man to God the father.

[Dargil]

Every Christian has to answer your question with confidence. The Bible does NOT say "The Lord Thy God Shalt not put Christians to the test".

[Asker]

How can God be his own son? How can he pray to himself? I don't understand.

[Dargil]

Yes. Supernatural. Pray for understanding, if you pray at all.

[Asker]

How can God pray to himself? This is nonsense.

[Asker]

How can God be his own son? That's even more nonsense.

[Dargil]

G0d can be characterized as a three strand rope. They are all part of the same rope. They all work together but can act separately. Jesus Christ praying to father God is an example of one strand working separately Even as they work together. As far as nonsense is concerned Scientists have now established That the beginning of the universe began With light alone. For us out here in the real world, that does not make sense either but as far as that can tell, it is true. And that is where the supernatural comes in. And as I said, you can pray for understanding. Just as I did

[jshm2]

Neither.

Jesus cannot be God as he says:

And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord (Mark 12:29)

Jesus cannot be "son" of God either, as God had many "sons" in the bible - it was a term of endearment, not a status.

I will proclaim the LORD’s decree: He said to me, “You are my son; today I have become your father (Psalm 2:7)

[maj1nall]

I respect people's beliefs, but Jesus was not the son of God. People interpreted him as a god because he performed miracles. This was a God-given attribute (raising the dead, etc.) to make people believe that Jesus was a prophet. You can see the same thing in the Jewish faith. When Moses fled from Pharaoh's army, he split the Red Sea in two with his staff. And many prophets were given supernatural properties. Solomon is an example of this. He could use djinns. He could talk to animals.

[strateguy632]

Pretty ignorant! Jesus said "my father" not our father in contrast to how he instructed we pray to "our father".

[maj1nall]

You don't even address the main point of my comment. Instead, you focus on the fact that Jesus used special language in his relationship with God, and you present this as if it refutes my argument, but in fact you are changing the subject.

So I'm talking in terms of prophecy and miracles, and you're playing word games and making an indirect implication that Jesus is the son of God. But that doesn't directly refute or answer what I said.

[strateguy632]

Contrast book matthew 6,9 to7,21.

[maj1nall]

My view: I say that Jesus is not the Son of God, but that his miracles are an authorization given to him by God. That is, I see Jesus as a prophet, but not as a divine being, the son of God.

That is your view:
It argues that Jesus' special relationship with God was the result of his acknowledgment of God as father. It uses Matthew 6:9 and 7:21 to make this point, saying that Jesus both called God "Our Father" and used this expression when teaching people to pray. However, this does not seem to be a direct response to your view that Jesus is not the Son of God, but merely points to Jesus' special relationship with God.
As a result, we are both looking at this from different perspectives.

[strateguy632]

To @maj1nall because you don't even know he said he was the son of god. Pretty ignorant.

[maj1nall]

Interesting. I literally denied that Jesus was the Son of God - and you somehow conclude that I didn't even know that he was called the Son of God in Christianity? Impressive logic. Next time try opening your perceptions, understanding and reading the other side before using words like 'ignorant'.

[Lliam]

Who is that white man with the cool hair cut and perfectly trimmed beard? Is he a famous musician? What band was he in?

[PavlovsCogk]

Bro, not the libtarded "white man" jab. Just say that it's idiotic to even need to know his outer appearance regardless even in the case if he was the most holy man to ever live.

[Agape93]

Neither. He's a dead cult leader

[alice55]

son of god

[Asker]

So he's not God?

[slatyb]

No, neither is real.