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1 Corinthians 7:3–5 — The New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
3 The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4 For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does; likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. 5 Do not deprive one another except perhaps by agreement for a set time, to devote yourselves to prayer, and then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.
3 The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4 For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does; likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. 5 Do not deprive one another except perhaps by agreement for a set time, to devote yourselves to prayer, and then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.
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Not everyone is Christian, nor are we governed by Christian dogma. If we were, you'd have to pluck out your own eyes, for lusting outside marriage. Matthew 5:29 and 18:9.
@Ez-Bri-Z_v2 dude just doesn't learn.
I am not saying about you... I just want what christian thinks about it just it... if your value dont align with me just dont engage in conversation with me... I respected your religion and respected your friend's faith and pansexuality and polygyny still you two badmouthed me... just do your own things thats it... And matthew that was metaphorical things... even it has said good thing why would a male would sexualize a girl who is not even his partner? thats not even a bad thing... and if you think your partner do not habe any rights over you just dont date them thats it...
And I still believe nobody should be dating you until you actually learn how to be a good partner.
And anybody doesn't owe you to look after you when you get sick, should not help you when you lost your job... should not give you treatment money when you fall sick... because why he should put his money behind you when he did all day long work to make money and invest upon you... what duty do he owe you?
I didn't bad mouth you. I simply explained that EVERYBODY has body autonomy and are not required to give up sex if they don't want to.
And as Agape said, if you want to truly go as the Bible said, then you should not wear clothing of mixed fabrics and keep the sabbath day holy. Can you say, in all honesty, that you do either of these consistently, or does your love for Bible quotes end at women being forced to have sex to please their husbands?
None aside what he chooses to do. When my partner is hurt or sick or jobless, I help because I want to do that for them. I don't have to. If they don't want to, then they don't have to. I'm not obligated to any of theirs, from their time or money to their bodies. You need to understand that.
May as well not bother, he's not going to listen unless we just lay down and give him pity fucks.
Mixed fabrics and sabath day are of old tastement... even jewish themselves says many who gives interpretation from their own sources that mixrd fabrics was not fuly forbidden... and keeping the sabath day holy was part of old tastement...
When you get sick I feels it is my duty to look her after... If she lost job it is my duty to support her until she find job... if she get blind than it is my duty to help her not leave her... it is her rights over me... I will even cook for her if she fall sick... it is obligations towars me as her partner and even if she homeless still I won't leave her side... and if despite all of this I am shitty person than I can't say nothing... you do not feel obligatipn frpm their money but I feel she also has rights over my money as I am her partner...
So your quotes DO end at women being forced to have sex to be a sex toy for their husbands despite their own wishes and wants. So please go on and tell us how we are the problem in that situation?
As I said in the last thread, if you aren't happy, then leave. You have that right. If you aren't having sex, then don't marry her because you seem like that's more important to you. But just be aware, in almost every marriage, especially after kids are in the picture, her sexual drive is going to go down. She is not going to have the energy to have sex and by your logic, she should be forced to anyway just so he can get his rocks off.
Typical, wants to rape or be allowed to rape, if not for these pesky things called decency and human rights.
I am saying to not rape... I am saying do not deny him sex for over years... why You dont get what I am saying?
I didn't called for rape... i said out of love be intimate with him and do not deny him that for long like 1 years... can't you get it?
What aren't you getting? That's still rape! She could deny you for the rest of time and that would be her right. Forcing her to do something sexual against her will is rape.
Than she just leave thats it problem solve... but if you love him enough or love her enough just show her some love or him love that's what my point is...
Can't you understand that you aren't entitled to. her body? Or that you can express and feel love without sex? Your focus is on sex, and the quotes you picked are promoting the notion women have no rights over their bodies, and can't say no. That's pretty rapey
I can't stay in a relationship without touch like kiss, cuddle... I dont feel loved without it... or care... if yousay me you will wait till marriage I won't even disturb you and ready to wait till marriage...
This is the only time you've mentioned kissing or cuddling. The entire time you've mentioned only sex.
I also said that during 7 month I didn't forced her to have sex withme... than I just left... where you are seeing rape here?
She can still love him dearly and not want to divorce and still not want to have sex. Some of us just don't like sex. There's nothing wrong with that.
You both are at fault for not being honest about your sexual inclinations before you started dating. If sex is that important to you that you would ask a woman to let you have sex with her regardless of her desires, then find someone who is into that, but your last girlfriend who denied you for 7 months wasn't the problem. You are equating sex as the only way to show love from a woman's perspective. That's wrong.
I already told you.
Oh good boy, you didn't rape someone for 7 months. Here's a 🍪 for not ruining someone's life
Sexless marriage in lot of cases end with divorce... intimacy is important things for many people... if you are woman than dont date a guy like him thats it...
And if you are a man who doesn't compare to a woman's sex drive then don't date her. It's not just on her to avoid men like you.
Thats what I did I left her... sex drive even if compare I dont have problem I won't force her... now next what if I want to hold her hand during walking I have to ask her permission every time? I need to ask her consent eveytine I call her? I have to ask her consent everytime before I touch her? like in whole day asking 20-30 times if I could touch her hand?
And you americans are letting martial rape apologist and child supporter muslim extremidt live in his country who openly says forcing sex upon wife is not rape, woman education should be limited and they should serve husband and child marriage is justified and legal... and he is living peacefully in america
No, you don't have to ask 30 times a day, but if she pulls away, don't press the issue. I personally don't like holding hands when I walk with someone. It forces me to keep pace with them and that makes me uncomfortable. Same goes for sex, if you initiate and she turns it down then you don't pressure her and you sure as hell don't start quoting the Bible at her telling her she's a bad person for not meeting your sexual needs.
Yeah, I agree this country is entirely messed up right now. I can live in a country and not agree with the direction it's headed. I sure as hell didn't vote for it.
No I dont quote bible over him but first get rid of acutal rape apologist who lives in your country and not getting arrested despite saying morality against western value and saying 10 years old can get marriaed and forcing sex with wife is not rape and beating wife is not bad...
Stop moving the goal post. This isn't about who is or isn't in our country. This country used to be about actual free speech, and for those we disagreed with, we had the free speech to say something about it.
This is about you and your belief system that a woman should have to have sex against her will. Start there and keep it there.
I never said woman should have sex against their own free will... if expecting sex makes me a bad person than before judging and in making support of free speech I really dont wonder why usa get so many tomes islamic Terrorism attack over free speech and hate speech towards minority... first resolve your own country and tham blame me over my morality... expecting sex and forcing not the same... I many times said for 7 months I dont forced her to have sex with me can't you get it or not?
I completely get it. It's you that doesn't seem to understand what we are saying.
My country has nothing to do with my own personal beliefs. Everybody gets a vote. It's not my job to ensure that everyone lives by my morality. Hell, I'm not saying you even have to. What im saying is that I disagree with your mindset that a woman should be forced to give up her body to anyone against her will, and YES, expecting her to do it because of Bible verses or your own sexual needs is forcing the issue. You left. That's all you can do. She's probably happier for it because she no longer feels that pressure from you. You need to move on as well.
You don't get points for not raping her. That's the bare minimum. That's like saying you're a good dad because as much as you wanted to, you didn't beat your kids to death.
Yeah I moved on I didn't forced her... I just asked here about religious views and you can disagree with me... but she is still not happy because I break up with her over this... and still I am a bad person for doing this... she is claiming that I would jave stayed with her if I loved it. mm. can for one second I dont understand what I am doing wrong...
I didn't raped her not I support rape... I said I expected sex in that relationship and incompability made me left this relationship... what I must have to say more clearly to you?
And agepe you still are not good partner... the moment you partner go blind or lose job you will left him saying I dones owe him anything... if he wants money support for treatment you still say you go die I dont need money supportm
Other than believe you are entitled to a woman's body if you are dating/married to her, you didn't do anything wrong based on your description. You weren't happy so you left her.
She's right though. If you truly loved her, you would have stayed. You maybe loved things about her but in the end you loved wanting sex more.
I left after 7 months for denial intimacy it made me feel undesired... If your boyfrirnd told you that he doesn't find you sexually attractive so he doesn't want to have sex with you what will be your reply? Will you get hurt or you will be happy? if your psrtner days I hate kissing you does it hurt you or not? are these things rapey to you to wanting desired? Still I am evil?
"And agepe you still are not good partner... the moment you partner go blind or lose job you will left him saying I dones owe him anything... if he wants money support for treatment you still say you go die I dont need money supportm"
This is why i told you to shut up and read. Because I literally said I don't have to, but I do it for them because I want to and love them
Agape if your partner says he hate kissing you, doesn't find you secually attractive... hates your face so he feels to kiss disgusting and other type of this comments do you think it is okay or the oppositr would be okay that he fins sexually so attractive that he wants to have sex and he loves kissing? which one?
I am more like your ex here. I don't like sex. It wouldn't bother me in the slightest if my partners didn't want to have sex.
Also, I never called you evil. I said expecting sex as a requirement from a partner is rape mentality. They have to want to give it to you willingly. You then went on to create a new post quoting biblical verses supporting your take that a woman does not have a choice but to give up her body.
To answer your question, though, if my partner wasn't happy with me physically/mentally/emotionally, I would question why they would want to be with me. I would be hurt, but I would understand if they left me.
Yeah that's fine, I don't really care. He's welcome to get intimate with others, because I know I'm still loved. I'm also perfectly fine if he does want to kiss or fuck, I'm fine with either because I'm not so entitled.
If she is not happy with me physically... than what type of girl I might desire? the girl that find me sexy, want to have sex with me all day and love kissing me... which was expected for me in Relationship thats what I said... and it makes me rapey...
If you fine than fine no problem with me... but I wad exclusive to her so I wanted to feel desired and if it makes me rapey than I dont have much to say...
But @Agape93 you let your partner sleep with others?
Correct I do, I do open relationships.
@Agape93 can he go to sex worker?
If they're both clean from stds and I meet them first, yeah
I'm not adding you
Did I do something wrong?
You pissed me off
I just shared opinion without disrespecting others... I even didn't disrespected you nor judged your personal life...
And your opinion and lack of ability or desire to understand what we have told you, ticks me off
Whats wrong with my opinion? Just saying I expected sex you called me rapey... and thats wrong opinion than what I can sayM
We have explained this to you repeatedly. Your inability to understand yet again, proves my point. I won't be adding you, end of story.
English is not my first language but what I did wrong... you called me motherfucker and so on and called me rapey and I am the bad person?
Yes.
How I am bad person cal you tell me? I thought sexually open person do not judge but simply stating opinion I am getting judged?
I said clearly I didn't force her, I just left her... I also said I just want to feel desired... thwse are bad thing which do not harm others?
Read what was said you fucking idiot. We've explained everything repeatedly.
Why you are hurting me? now calling me idiot?
Read what was said.
Do you know you are misbehaving with me and disrespecting me? can't you keep the conversation casual?
Please do not reply me anymore... despite not judging your sexuality or your friend's polyamory I am getting called motherfucker, idiot and disrespectful language...
Deuces einzeller 🖕
No you got called rapey because of what you said earlier. Don't start lying
Especially verse 5. Seems like good advice.
I called rapey for mentioning this verse
How is that related? Bible never said you can grab nor rape her? It punished rape in book exodus.
On second thought you refer to sharia law that a husband is not guilty of rape because she is his wife but that is not the message here in bible.
But bible punished a grab in Deuteronomy 22,28 and even if she agreed still punished in book exodus.
Verse 5 means she will give herself, she should not say no, but bible never said he can grab. It is not like islam.
Check out the other reply of my post... I got called rapist for saying about this verse...