Do you agree with this statement from the Pope?

[Anonymous]

[Kaneki05]

But he's not woke. He's a catholic. And a Pope is obviously a traditional conservative role.

He's anything but woke lmao.

[Kaneki05]

Religion is very much opposed to Marx views so of course not. You'd be a fool to think they have anything in common.

[Kaneki05]

@Theodish_Warrior Except Marx direct words were opposed religion. This would be like saying you are a Nazi but love Jews.

If Marx ideology was been followed the religion wouldn't exist nor and especially the organisation of it.
So it's absurd to think these two things are the same. As to say your a Marxist but funding a organised religion is completely against itself.

So is your argument that there idiot religious folk who think they are Marxist? But don't know what the word is? Probably right but that's not a Marxist then that's just an idiot.

[Kaneki05]

@Theodish_Warrior You do know religions and for sure Christianity have classes right? And even more so Catholics...
Unless you can prove to me that Marx said making classes of people like priests and pope's was a good idea and totally in line with his view it's simple they aren't follow Marxism.
They are following their own idiotic ideology, to no surprise because that's what all cults do. And when I look at their ideology it promotes Class distinctions and religious hierarchy which is strictly opposed Marxism, and is a conservative stance end of story really.

Also your point about allowing Muslims? You do mean the quite literally most conservative religion out there right?

The only good point you made was about charity but to say a conservative value religion is all the sudden Marxist because they do charity is funny. Or the fact they target lower class of course they do? Every ideology does.. unless your going to tell me Trump does not try to obtain lower class voters?
That's how you push any ideology whether conservative or liberal you need the working class.
By your standards of what Marxism is, everything might as well be it including somehow Muslims who are the furthest thing from it.

Do you not see how backwards this logic is? And could you explain what current ideology isn't Marxism by these standards, because ya know many conservatives do charity and are working class...

[Kaneki05]

*Don't worry I make them too, it's human I would never hold you over that. People who do aren't very smart and then do it themselves longs if it's readable idc lol.

[Kaneki05]

@Theodish_Warrior I can see you are pretty smart, I'll admit you have a good education on this and now made good points.
However no, religion was always ran by ideology and Christians follow jesus a dude who did in fact impose classes he made the apostles after all, so yes it was built in. And Jews before jesus did have classes and hirarchy that goes way way back. I mean we had classes even before religion no doubt since Animals like Lions have clear hierarchy sure it was the same for cavemen.

And then you seem to be agreeing with me Marxist don't want classes and the ones that do aren't following it right? Though I think you have point it would be impossible to have none in a society as we live, but I think the point is trying to make the gap and discrimination between the two a lot smaller.

Religion don't do that if anything it makes it bigger while virtue signalling and tbf you could say the same for Communism but only because so far the people who've pushed it like Stalin were bad and used it for their corruption...
Okay I guess there is a very similar issue with religion too. Though I'm sure this is true for all ideology?

So I don't where you stop or start with this point tbh. And what would you suggest? We go for a society that's all in on classes and loves them? I think... we've seen that already no? And turns out has many problems.

But besides that more back to why we started the debate, what do you even class as Conservative if your argument again is about how all these religions were Marxist leftists before Marx even came around? What the hell is conservatism to you then?

[SmokinAces2000]

Yes. These people don’t even know what woke is and use it anytime they don’t like something or someone.

[Anonymous]

Yes i do

[jshm2]

Well, duh.

If "woke" is the new suffering, then you know it's got a ring of truth to it.

[strateguy632]

Nope he joined woke so he defended it.

[BCRanger10]

He didn't really say it.

[seeyounexttuesday]

What a completely dumb statement.

[BCRanger10]

Good thing he didn't actually say it!

[beefcakebradybatson]

RIGHT ON, YOUR HOLINESS !!!