What do you think of this quote by Pope Innocent III?

[WhiteShoulder]

When asked by a knight during the Crusades how to tell a true Christian from a heretic, Pope Innocent answered "Kill them all. God will sort them out." (Or possibly "God will recognize His own.")

[ManOnFire]

"God will recognize his own" is the one I'm familiar with, and was just his excuse to want to have anyone killed. Or was laziness because he knew trying to sift through all the heretics would take so much time. He was especially brutal in trying to wipe out all the Cathars. No doubt, I myself did not agree with their indeed heretical beliefs, but they literally did nothing to bother anyone else and stayed to themselves.

I think Innocent III had to be one of the most vicious and ungodly popes Europe ever had, if not the worst. This man was vile and carnal in so many ways it actually shocks me that he could be like that yet still be kept on the "throne." The dude was an utter asshole.

[WhiteShoulder]

I totally agree with you

[Jjpayne]

That clearly was a questionable time... God does say in the bible to kill but does not take kindly when other people take it upon them to kill on his behalf, because it's important to know the will of God before you act

[WhiteShoulder]

I totally agree

[Dav1ss]

This is just like "smite them down amalek" it is because at the time it was an attempt to overcompensate for a problem and after they realised this was a poor approach them changed it

[WhiteShoulder]

Thank you!! I told you you were smart.

[Dav1ss]

I'm really not 😂😂😂

[Lemia]

Stop being hard on yourself @Dav1ss. Your beauitful, inteligent, smart, clever, wise, brave and kind.

[justcurious2019]

@Lemia i think dav1ss needs a kick in the ass if she keeps putting herself down

[Lemia]

Thats a bit harash dude calm down. We dont beat up our friends.

[justcurious2019]

@Lemia i was just kidding it was a joke i was just saying @Dav1ss should not be so hard on herself

[R_ūshī]

Pretty cold-blooded coming from Pope Innocent.🤔

I like it tho. I think I'll use that quote often now.🌚

[WhiteShoulder]

Definitely ;-)

[ManOnFire]

@R_ūshī He WAS cold-blooded!

[Dchrls78104]

Proof that neither the pope nor the Catholic church represented true Christianity: Jesus Christ said "Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword" (Matthew 26:52). Paul said "Avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife. And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel..."(2 Timothy 2:23,24).

[WhiteShoulder]

Very good point

[brigfrey25]

Pope innocent

[WhiteShoulder]

LMAO...

[Sweetnessxoxo]

He looks like me 😂

[WhiteShoulder]

@Sweetnessxoxo u r one cute frog creature :-)

[wankiam]

bit like American and allied bombing campaigns today where we see those innocent lives taken by airstrikes described as ''collateral damage''

[WhiteShoulder]

"We had to destroy the village in order to save it..."

Lieutenant William Calley at My Lai

[wankiam]

yep thats the attitude... its like the brits selling typhoon jets and sending our guys to help train saudis to blow the fuck out of yemen and at the same time complain we can't get access to allow aid into yemen. as frankie botle put it... when saudis give you yemens we give them yemem aid

[Nik1hil]

It's the proof for me to say.. That
"religions are comedy for intelligent and reality for ignorant" .

[WhiteShoulder]

Totally supports that statement

[QueenTanya]

👀👀

[WhiteShoulder]

@QueenTanya I am religious. I’m Wiccan. But when a Pope says something like that, it kinda makes you wonder.

[QueenTanya]

doesn't make me wonder. that pope was just pure evil. i don't trust any of them

[WhiteShoulder]

@QueenTanya he was

[Nik1hil]

Wicca isn't exactly religion,
It's is religious but it lacks a region..

Religious+ Region = Religion..

Wicca is a lot more like self worship, a nature embracement..

[WhiteShoulder]

It’s a religion. We only worship ourselves once a year. And only if we didn’t someone along to worship ourselves for us.

Kinda kidding, kinda not...

[WhiteShoulder]

Didn’t bring someone along

[SydneySentinel]

I've seen that quote before but I cannot remember where.
I'm not sure! You're wicked smart, my friend.

[WhiteShoulder]

Thanks girl 🥰

[Anpu23]

It was the seige of Béziers, against the Cathars. The problem was that they were afraid that many who believed the heresy (essentialy Gnosticism) would claim that they were Catholic to avoid execution. So the order went out, as the gnostic Christians were a threat to the centralized power of the church (the belief in personal revelation/the ability to bypass clergy)

[WhiteShoulder]

Thank you!!!

Also they believed God was evil (Rex Mundi, King of the World).

Was it Beziers or Montsegur?

[Anpu23]

Having read a lot of Gnostic scripture it was a lot more complicated than that. The issue was that the Church wanted to consolidate it's power, be able to sell forgiveness, in essence keep their boot on the necks of the people. Gnosticism tought direct revelation, that man didn't need a priesthood to intervene. It was a direct attack on the power base. Catholicism tried to wipe that entire idea off of the planet, and every time it tried it would pop up again in a different way and in a different place. It's hard to argue against personal experiences and Devine intervention in the minds of those who either experienced something along those lines or had spoken with someone who had. Further pagan beliefs allowed for direct interaction between man and god so the idea was contrary to folk beliefs.

[WhiteShoulder]

The church sold indulgences

[Anpu23]

Exactly, can't have the pleebs interfering with business.

[arabgoddess]

What a lunatic.. He should of been wiped out too if he believed in that

[WhiteShoulder]

Totally agree

[Jean-Marie_Céline]

Wasn't a mere papal emissary who said this, and not the Pope himself?

[WhiteShoulder]

It might have been a legate, but he was conveying the Pope's wishes.

[Jean-Marie_Céline]

I understand.
After all, Innocenzo III was quite the hardliner.

[WhiteShoulder]

He was indeed.

Was he French or Italian? I forget.

[Jean-Marie_Céline]

He was Italian, from Lazio.

[WhiteShoulder]

Thank you!

I'm really impressed. You know even more than me about this era.

[Jean-Marie_Céline]

You are welcome.
I think it's just chance as I have visited the church where he got ordered in his birthplace in Gavignano.

[WhiteShoulder]

Wow! Okay.

[Sevenpointfive]

i would have loved to assassin's creed his idiotic ass

[WhiteShoulder]

Agreed

[codycccccccccc]

I do like his killing all religious people policy but he is a pope so there is no possible way i could even slightly value his opinion

[WhiteShoulder]

Fair enough

[Philyouup]

in the time of the crusades, man was slightly more advanced than a caveman. with some stars here and there.

[WhiteShoulder]

😂😂😂

[Gedaria]

No wonder the Catholic Church has its problems, when you have a pope , organising blood shed. What happened to the Christian spirit of peace...

[WhiteShoulder]

Totally

[Jerre]

Hard to believe a Pope would say something like that but again, it is the medieval times

[WhiteShoulder]

Totally

Ever heard of Alexander VI? He was a wealthy Spanish merchant with two kids who decided he wanted to be Pope. He divorced his wife one day, got ordained as a priest the next day and was made Pope the day after that. (Slight exaggeration, but not by much.)

[jamesgoldman]

You mean the Borgias... horrible histories did a song on it (its a British series of books that inspired an educational kids show that later got adapted for adults on BBC2 as adults started watching it)

[WhiteShoulder]

@jamesgoldman I do mean the Borgias

[jamesgoldman]

Yeah more people have heard of them by name rather than the papal role... one of the few times where a name is more remembered than a title

[WhiteShoulder]

@jamesgoldman their name was Borja in Spanish

[jamesgoldman]

Interesting... added to the trivia that helps me at quiz nights n. b. last one I went to I was the only person in the room (youngest as well) to get a certain question correct and I was even part of a team

[scooogy]

That's like cleaning the whole kitchen for a single spot of dirt.

[WhiteShoulder]

Totally

[Girther10]

I’m glad I didn’t live during those ages... wow...😅

[Suhailadil89]

In those days.. Christianity was as far from its true values as it is now.. the church bended the teachings to serve its own agendas and were just as barbaric as any

[DictumVeritas]

Innocent II was not a very moral person, but then again I can't think about a moral pope off hand.

[fereee]

This is a call for violence and unjustified killing

Religions are a call to tolerance and mercy, not to killing and violence

[FrenchyRomain]

and people still wonder why i hate religions and religious people

[Sweetnessxoxo]

I don’t agree with that lol that’s a little harsh

[WhiteShoulder]

Absolutely

[COMMODOREII]

Damn. What a hypocrite.

[WhiteShoulder]

Exactly

[DanOh2018]

Very Warhammer 40k of him

[WhiteShoulder]

Very!!!

[DanOh2018]

Heresy!

[WhiteShoulder]

Dark Heresy...

[DanOh2018]

Would you dress up like a sister of battle for me? ❤️❤️❤️

[WhiteShoulder]

A Dark Eldar domme with white silk gloves...

[EnglundUberAlles]

An early instance of the Papal Bull.

[WhiteShoulder]

True, except a Bull is written. This was just somebody paraphrasing what the Pope said orally.

[Sabretooth]

no. that role belongs to Jesus.

[WhiteShoulder]

Very good answer

[Sabretooth]

thanks. i mean, it's not a role he wants or that his father wants. god wants to create a perfect world-how can you have that when you have murderers, drug dealers, rapists, promiscuous people?

[Tim-loves-it]

Seen that of a US Marine T-shirt!

[WhiteShoulder]

Pope Innocent (or actually his legate) was the one who invented that quote.

[Tim-loves-it]

True, but still seen it

[CubaPirate]

It's just like the quotes about witches

[WhiteShoulder]

True

[Mr_Rite]

I think he might have had a rage disorder

[WhiteShoulder]

Good point 😊

[Lliam]

Sick, sick, sick.

[WhiteShoulder]

Yeah

[Forestfox]

Have no clue sorry

[WhiteShoulder]

That's ok

[dthomas89]

Yikes

[WhiteShoulder]

Yeah 😂

[DanZaan133]

Blind Faith. Anyways follow back

[DanZaan133]

Dude?

[Nice222]

Love it.