Is this religion compatible?

[Dargil]

Islam is incompatible with Western Judeo Christian civilization.

Agree (why?)

Disagree (Why not?)

All non-Muslims must convert, or pay a jizya or die.

Something else

I am a Buddhist, Hindu or other pagan religion and this is all nonsense.

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This is not an issue of hate. It is an issue of self defense. Islam is incompatible with Western civilization. The sooner we can partition them. And expel domestic Muslim terrorists, the better. And any Muslim that refuses to totally assimilate. Into American civilization should be expelled. Citizen or not.

[strateguy632]

Western is in harmony with christian but islam the book, is in conflict with both. We see the lack of coexistence in Muslim countries that did genocide to whatever was there before year 500.

But let's welcome them to do the same to Europe?

[Anonymous]

If you know Islam only as it is practiced by Arabs, know that this is not Islam 😹 they are not true Muslims; they are a community that uses religion in whatever way suits them. Turks are Muslims too, but we practice the religion, not Arab culture. Arabs make Islam look bad, whereas Islam is a religion that values both women and men. Islam is a religion of tolerance, but Arabs portray it as a fanatical religion 🥲 we don’t like them.

[Grond21]

This is the first time I have heard this claim. It's intriguing to me. When you say that Islam is a religion of tolerance, can you point to something specific?

[Dargil]

Respecting your opinion, you must reconcile the second half of the Koran.

[strateguy632]

This is what Muslims say about each other Sunni say shia "are not true Muslims" and shia say same about sunni.

[Opinion Owner]

If you have even a little bit of brains, you'll understand how Arabs use religion to manipulate women. Such a god cannot exist; a god wouldn't want his creations to be humiliated. If he does, and if Arab culture is religion, then I refuse to be a Muslim. But it's not. They use religion as it suits them. A true Muslim is tolerant, free from evil, and doesn't see any living being as inferior. If you look at them and think that's what Islam is, then you have absolutely no knowledge.

[Opinion Owner]

Some people in my country mistake their terrible culture for religion, and there are ignorant people trying to be like them. I hope all the ignorant people die. Religion doesn't mean ignorance. The purpose of religion shouldn't be evil; it should be goodness and humanity. But ignorant people are already doing evil by degrading women and living a patriarchal life.

[Opinion Owner]

Islam isn't as barbaric a religion as you think. For example, many Christians don't follow the Bible or live according to its rules. Jews, for instance, are incredibly evil people; if they had the chance, they would want to conquer the whole world and kill all people. Before criticizing Islam, look at yourselves and other religions. No matter what religion you belong to, nobody is truly devout these days; nobody is 100% committed to their religion. Everyone values their religion only when it suits them.

[Dargil]

If Erdogan got his way Turkey would descend into a rascal Islam country like Iran. He's got to go.

[Opinion Owner]

He can’t do whatever he wants; this is a secular country. No one can change the country founded by Atatürk according to their own wishes. We will never allow that.

[Dargil]

"If you have even a little bit of brains" Was that intended to be an insult?

[Opinion Owner]

Noooo ı meant information😌

[Grond21]

I don't see how you can say the problem is Arabs, when they are following the instructions in the Quran, they are doing the same as Muhammad, and he said explicitly that Islam was for the Arabs

[Opinion Owner]

What did I write in those three long texts? What did I really write, and to whom did I explain it? Prophet Muhammad was a prophet who loved and respected girls; he abolished the disgusting cruelty of burying baby girls alive back then. Don't even think about telling me about "true Islam" in December; I'll laugh for five hours on the phone because of your ignorance 🤣

[Grond21]

Loved and respected girls? I suppose if you consider raping a nine year old, marrying a six year old, stealing girls from their husbands, killing whole villages except for the girls whom he made sex slaves, allowing men to hit girls, reducing their voice in court, saying more girls are in hell, and making the best a woman can hope for in heaven to be one of many concubines; if you think that is loving and respecting girls then he did a stellar job

[Opinion Owner]

You’re not making a serious critique — you’re stacking sensational accusations without sources, context, or intellectual honesty. You cherry-pick the most extreme, disputed, or mistranslated claims, strip them of historical and legal context, and then judge a 7th-century society by 21st-century moral standards you don’t consistently apply elsewhere. Criticism is valid when it’s evidence-based and fair. What you’re doing is ideological outrage: no primary sources, no scholarly debate, no acknowledgment of differing interpretations — just internet talking points presented as fact. That’s not moral clarity; it’s lazy polemics.

[Opinion Owner]

You are people who were raised to hate Islam. I honestly don’t believe you’ve ever sat down and actually researched it; you prefer talking by rote. Understanding this religion doesn’t suit your agenda. Stop talking as if every religion except Islam is perfect. The Bible, for example, is a book that has been altered—should I start talking about that a bit too? No, I won’t, because I truly don’t care what you believe or defend. Believe whatever you want. But first of all, be respectful. I am not an Arab, I am a Turk, and I respect everyone. I expect the same from you. Please don’t speak by repeating things blindly.

[Grond21]

Now you ask for respect, and say you are giving it. But how can I take you at your word? You spent the majority of the last two posts misrepresenting me and my points, inserting strawmen I never claimed, and then to cap it off you threw in some ad hominems. Those are not the actions of someone being respectful.

If you want to have a scholarly debate, with sources and standards, we can do that. I would just insist you have a mind open to being wrong

[Opinion Owner]

Üffffffff OK 🙄🤦‍♀️

[strateguy632]

Sources for: ' raping a nine year old, marrying a six year old,' HADITH BUKHARi.
2, 'allowing men to hit girls' HIT WIVES using sticks, quran sura an nissa. also there. unfair inheritance for lady.
3, 'reducing their voice in court,' need many lady to be a witness.
4, 'making the best a woman can hope for in heaven , to be one of many concubines' the idea of seventy virgin reward. All have SOURCES any muslim Would know. THE other stuff is not the problem so this differs from 'cherry pick' in research polls. These are honest and accurate translations in a 'serious critique'.

[Dargil]

@strateguy632 That is another example of their taqiya doctrine.

[Cidknee]

They believe Jesus to be just a prophet and not the Son of God. Plus they wish to kill us if not converted which means denouncing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

[Kaneki05]

All religions promote extremism therefore none are but Islam is the biggest offender currently. Remember when Catholics and protestants killed each other for fun?

[GreyfurtSuyyi]

What do you mean by saying Islam is the biggest offender? I would understand if you said Judaism, but Islam? Most of you don’t even follow your own religion.

[Kaneki05]

Here's an easy question do you think Islamic countries like Afghanistan have more freedom of expression than America a primally Christian country?
And if you truly think respond with Afghanistan go live there speak your mind and stand proud without a Hijab you'll get real far...

[GreyfurtSuyyi]

I don’t care about Afghanistan. Afghanistan isn’t a Muslim country, it’s a fake religion. Turkey is Muslim, but we Turkish women are free. Afghanistan is beyond terrible. If you want to look at Islam, look at free Turks. Don’t mention Afghanistan, it makes me feel suffocated 😹. Here we tell ignorant people “go to Afghanistan” so don’t bother explaining, I already know that place.

[Kaneki05]

@GreyfurtSuyyi Okay so you can walk around without a Hijab, preach about feminism, be LGBT or say bad things about Islam? How about sex education is it great over there?
My guess is you are still limited and can't but hey maybe I'm wrong and Turkey is way more progressive than I thought?
But... ya know what I'm going to guess it's not. But ya know you say it's fake but I find all Islamic countries tend to have the same views on Lgbt, women and the rest I mentioned...

[GreyfurtSuyyi]

Where are you even reading from? Don’t talk from afar, come and see with your own eyes. Stop watching nonsense news and drawing nonsense conclusions. In Turkey, women can choose whether to wear a headscarf or not. On the street, some women dress very openly, some wear a normal headscarf, and some wear a full-body covering like a chador. Actually, it’s your country that doesn’t respect people’s choices. Here, women live as they wish, but in your country many people look at a woman with a headscarf with a 🤢 emoji expression, and they see women in a chador as ignorant. As for LGBT, whoever wants to be a lesbian or gay can be, nobody interferes, it just shouldn’t be too showy. For example, a man can’t kiss another man in the middle of the street. That’s not about religion, it’s about behaving properly in society. Children could see it and be misled. Otherwise, in private life, whatever someone does is their own business, nobody else’s.

[GreyfurtSuyyi]

Freedom doesn’t mean doing whatever you want in public. We are a nation that can make this distinction. Don’t talk from afar, come and see, then make your decision. We are not Arabs, bro.

[Kaneki05]

@GreyfurtSuyyi Yeah so go kiss a girl in public and see what happens, and what would happen wouldn't happen over in the west because we aren't so restrictive of public expression.
Therefore direct proof that we are less extreme automatically.
Even that just proves my point without needing to know everything but I'm sure there is a lot you can't do compared to you can in the west and a lot of way's it's still conservative.
Fun fact after looking it up Insulting Islam in public can lead to criminal charges, most importantly even those who write articles have been prosecuted for being critical of Islam proof of less right to freedom of speech.

[Kaneki05]

I'm sure I'd be arrested in Turkey so I ain't going there myself lmao

[GreyfurtSuyyi]

Why would I kiss a girl in public? This has nothing to do with Islam, it’s simply not appropriate. I would do whatever I want at home or in a suitable environment, but why would I kiss in front of children or elderly people? Why should I present my personal choice as a normal example to children? A child might see it, be influenced, and maybe try to do it at school, which is not normal at all. I’m not speaking from an Islamic perspective, but in society people should behave with some dignity because there are many others around and they should be respected. LGBT, LGBT, LGBT—are you gay? If your only issue is LGBT, honestly I don’t really care about it that much.

[GreyfurtSuyyi]

If you’re thinking about having sex with a man in public, then yes, don’t come here. I’m not against LGBT, but I think such a scene would make me sick as a heterosexual. Thinking about it, I really like that it’s forbidden. We heterosexuals can only tolerate heterosexuals kissing.

[GreyfurtSuyyi]

You also asked if we can talk about feminism, yes we can, almost everyone is feminist here and what advanced us was feminism 🩷💘. You don’t know anything, you should stop believing everything you see on the internet like a child.

[Kaneki05]

@GreyfurtSuyyi You're only proving my point ironically especially with 'We Heterosexuals can only tolerate heterosexuals kissing'. And obviously I'm not talking about sex in public so that's a silly comment.
It's either you should all be allowed to kiss or neither. Otherwise it's simply unfair.
But keep feeling free to prove my point and yeah it does seem turkey is a more progressive than Afghan but it's still restrictive compared to our countries and if we talk on a whole not just Turkey can you guess which has countries that's more likely to kill you for the things I'm talking about?
And that's the problem.

[GreyfurtSuyyi]

Compared to your country, I actually like that ours is more restrictive. In your society there is excess, people lose their way under the name of exaggerated freedom and don’t even know what they are doing. In our society, because it is more restrictive, we learn from an early age not to do things we would regret. You know, we are not really restrictive — we are normal. Neither exaggerated nor extremely reactionary, just normal.

[Kaneki05]

@GreyfurtSuyyi Yes cause normal is allowing two people to kiss but not another two people to kiss making a bigger deal out of one of them just because it's two guys or two girls right... normal not an overreaction at all.
And hey I'll give you some credit at least you admitted you prefer it that way but again it's proving my point hence why ya should stay in your own country and don't bring Islam over here okay? Because I'm totally fine with that, and hopefully you are too but for some reason a lot like to come over and try to kill us or change our minds on it still sighs.

[GreyfurtSuyyi]

You shouldn’t have dragged it out that it’s Islamophobia 😹 if you had said it directly I would have understood. Besides, whether we come or not is none of your business. A lot of foreigners come here too, so then foreigners shouldn’t come either. Many Christians told me to become Christian, but unlike you with your teenage-minded thinking, I don’t lump all Christians together. Every religion has rotten apples, kid, you’re not perfect either. Most of you don’t respect people’s choices, especially when it comes to opposing Islam. Kiss, make out in the street—who’s stopping you? You must be really lustful. I guess kissing a man in the street is your fantasy ahahahahhaha.

[Kaneki05]

@GreyfurtSuyyi Islamophobia is a made up word to stop people being critical of Islam and notice how my initial opinion literally poked fun at Christians killing each other? You'll find I'm opposed all religions equally critically but factual proof is that Christian countries have more freedom than Islamic ones, the fact your trying to argue otherwise is honestly wild to me.

[Kaneki05]

And if you aren't I don't get what your point is and why we are even having this debate lol

[Grond21]

No, it is not. The core teachings of Islam are in direct conflict with the core tenents of Western civilization

[slatyb]

I'm secular and find them all rather silly, although I don't know much about Buddhism.

[loveyouoak]

I don't think any religion is innocent.

[Dargil]

Christianity, which in Messianic Judaism fulfilled, has done better since Luther. We have lived down the bad days of Calvin and of the inquisition. Salem was an aftershock.