How do you know the difference between illusion and realty?

[new-person]

Illusion is the art of making it look and seem but in truth it is a full out lie. So how do you tell? People who have high education are looked at as gods. But in the end they are only human, and it is human nature to lie, cheat, and protect your way of servival (one being your source of income/job) 1. Example is NASA and the earth, they say it is a globe, how do we know? When the moon that is said to be on the other side of the earth from the sun, is up in the sky when the sun is still up. The stars do not move so there is no real evidence that the earth turns, only the sun rising. But if the earth is as they say, the moon will rise and fall just like the sun, and the stars will move in the same way (but that is not the case).

We think and believe they go to space, but I know a boy that they could of copied. The boy got in trouble a few times, and each time he said "sorry, ok I will go to my room" after he closed the door, he changed outfits and gos out the window being careful not to be seen by anyone in the house and gos to his friends to play. After 3 hrs he gos back being careful again not to be seen he climbs back in his window, changes back into his clothes he had on. And then slowly gos out of his room. His mom asked did you learn anything? He says yes it was not fun, sorry. His mom asks, what did you do in your room. He says, I layed in bed and read my school books. No one ever knew the truth. As they say they go into space, they could be in a bunker hidden to only make it look like they are. Movies have been using green screens from before the 60s. Another is western health care, watch the documentarys Heal, and pharmaceutical thugs both together show the illusion the western health system implies on us. 3 is religion what you are told by any religion is basic traditionans and how do you tell what is tradition / illusion and what is truth. Now I am not saying there is a god or not, but only saying how do you know what is truth.

[strateguy632]

You wrote "stars do not move' so GO OUTSIDE AT NIGHT AND WATCH THE STARS MOVE also: different months we see different stars and different star patterns called zodiac + "the moon that is said to be on the other side of the earth from the sun, is up in the sky when the sun is still up" that is a good question, but different days. Half of the month we are between them, like diagram

O moon, 0 earth 0 sun

The other half moon moved between

O earth, 0 moon 0 sun.

+We can rephrase "when you see sunrise , is sun moving or we move" the sun would need to go much faster than the speed if we spin, so "we spin" is easier to believe. 'Nuf said !

[strateguy632]

"how do you tell what is tradition / illusion and what is truth' about religion assume it is true if it self contradicted then one part must be a lie. For example quran said "have no coercion in faith" sura 2 aya 56? but muslim country make law and use authority to force people, so that is not true.

[strateguy632]

Oops "Surah Al-Baqarah =2, 256 "Let there be no compulsion in religion, for the truth stands out clearly from falsehood"

[new-person]

So your main answer is it is just way more easy to believe.

And by the way I do look up and watch the stars at night, they do not move like the sun that's for sure. But neither dose the moon.

In the end how do we know what is truth and what is a illusion made from a lie that was passed down by tradition (this in not just religion, it is everything, education, health. This concept can be rooted in all things we come to know as truth and fact. But in the end how do we know?

[strateguy632]

But there are various ways to prove and see. not just one method. We see stuff or we use logic. About stars,. Start with something easy the long line of milky way. It appears pointing at east horizon but after a few hours it moved like hand of a clock pointing from overhead to the horizon south. that is same motion as sun which is a clue we are spinning. Under the sky. stars at night, DO move like the sun. The moon doesn't because it has its own motion as i wrote in diagram.

[strateguy632]

Your question 'how do we know what is truth?' was asked by des cartes he doubted everything but used philosophy to prove stuff included he proved god must be real.

[strateguy632]

Of course i am being lengthy due to your question. But most humans are very simple and weak minded. They believed ANYTHING in a school book or science book, because you gotta believed science! that carries over now to anything in Wikipedia to get 'facts'. No matter how far fetched they believed science books about history and predicted, because it is what they consider science, same blind faith as each religion believing its holy book blindly, no matter how far fetched or no matter what other fact conflicted.

[RavVid]

What makes you think the stars do not rotate with the earths rotation? Get out and look I'd suggest. Only the pole star doesn't. If you look at the sea can't you see curvature of the earth? I can.

[RavVid]

Thanks for a MHO

[new-person]

The question is not about if the earth has a curve or not. Nor is it just about anything f the stars move or not.

It is all about how people look at high education makes you a god and when you get high education you are no longer human, and unable to lie, cheat or manipulate. As it is human nature to do that. So I ask how do you tell the truth from the lies/manipulation people do to keep to keep their job and that lie gets past down as tradition and looked as truth.

[RavVid]

Things like the shape of the earth and movement of star are things I can observe with my own eyes and therefore accept.

There is quite a lot more that we can't observe in ordinary life without expensive instruments but if it was important to me I could buy a microscope to confirm microbes to myself. Clearly I can't confirm everything and need to accept the the scientific method but I could read read papers if I wished.

The amount of review is significant and there is benefit to scientists to disprove or refine others work. There is a high degree of trustworthiness because of that process.

[new-person]

You should know when a scientist disproves know science they lose there job and are de-credited I known people who discovered something that proves a know science wrong and lost everything. Why, because they make to much with supporting lies. If you try to prove truth that proves any science wrong you are fully attacked by the science mafia. People have made Discovery's from Prof humans and dinosaurs was on the earth at the same time -to- the cure for all kinds of illness like vision loss. So the science mafia dose not like it when you prove any one of the lines wrong because that = job loss money loss. Science will never say it disproves other science even when it dose. Only say it is another look or the other side of the same coin.

[RavVid]

Often science just refines understandings. Newton's gravitational laws were refined by Einstein. The other side of the coin in this case is quantum mechanics. Both are experimentally verified but are inconsistent with each other. There should be a view that unites them at some.

Nonetheless we still happily use Newtonian physics when appropriate.

You need to be careful of pseudo science. Typically it goes along the lines the pyramids locks were too big for ordinary humans to build... unless there were giants. Then the hypothesis of giants is assumed in a switcheroo and some evidence of large skeletons is presented. Doubtless a lot of people are convinced because there is emotional logic.

If someone claims they have devised a free energy device yeah they will be attacked because it violates laws of physics... which are laws because they have never been observed. If you or someone else can demonstrate energy being generated out of nothing you would be celebrated but you can expect it to be rigorously tested.

[MontBlanc]

Reality stays steady when emotions calm down.
Illusion usually fades when feelings settle.

If something only feels true when you’re anxious, lonely, or overly hopeful, question it. Real things hold up even on your clear headed days.

Time is the best test.
What’s real doesn’t need you to convince yourself it is.

[new-person]

Please read the full post, I'm talking about illusion that is made from lies that people say to deceive others.

[MontBlanc]

I get what you mean, you’re talking about deception, not feelings.

For me, the difference between illusion and reality comes down to evidence and consistency. Real things can be checked from multiple sources, by different people, in different places, and still hold up. Lies usually rely on trust alone, not proof.

Humans can lie, yes. That’s why it’s smarter to question respectfully and look at verifiable facts, not just stories or suspicions. One person can fake something, but it’s much harder for thousands of independent experts, countries, and industries to all maintain the same lie for decades without cracks.

Healthy doubt is good.
But strong conclusions need strong evidence.

Truth doesn’t fear being examined.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

This is not seriously your argument to justify being a flat earther

[new-person]

I'm not saying one way or the other, I'm just asking how do you tell illusion from truth? Go back 500 years and say someone lied, cheated, manipulated people into thinking what he was doing is truth to protect his income/job then to insure not one person finds out he told the same lie to his family to insure he has a job. The illusion gets past down as tradition and now today the whole world thinks it is the truth. Before you assume just think about it. So much what humans believe is true is Infact past down. But what if it was all a lie to keep a job or to get power and/or control. How do you tell an illusion from truth? All humans have the ability to lie, con, manipulate and nothing drives a human more then money and power. We all know people who lied to get something they wanted or to keep something at least one time in their lives. All people on this earth are only human.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

You’re just admitting you don’t know how to do math

[new-person]

No you just do not what to admit we are human amd think about the possibility the foundation you built your life on your believeing what is truth has the possibility of being a lie and just tradition in believing in the lie

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

Just say you can’t do math

[new-person]

This is not about math or any one subject but all about human behaviour and how we look at people with a high education as gods who are 100% honest and ethical 100% of the time all the time. But in the end they are only human, and it it human nature to lie, cheat, and manipulate to protect you lively hood and what you worked so hard for. If you went to school 10-15 years (you are more likely to lie, bend/break rules and laws to be successful (and 50x more likely when your job in on the line, or you are going to lose your job). Even a person Woking at a coffee shop has the same human behaviour, only is a lot less likely to do it to save their job, because 1 they don't make that much and 2 they can way easy get a job at another coffee shop. And 3 it is only an entry level position. Fact 60% of science breakthroughs are found by breaking rules and guidelines.

Do you really think aids came from a human having sex with an animal? We are all animals on this earth and you do not see a zebra having sex with a horse, lion having sex with a leppered. Aids was probably government made for one reason, to be what it first was called (a gay plage) but they did not know about bisexuals and the bisexuals having gay sex then straight sex passing it on to the straight population. You do not invent a illness without its counter but the west health system main goal is to make money by treating symptoms not to prevent or cure. Watch the documentary (heal) and (pharmaceutical thugs) western health care is the biggest drug dealer in the world, lying to you and saying there is no other way. Dr. s get money by weighting perceptions, governments get paid by big pharma, and big pharma gets to be the biggest drug King pin in the world. It is all about money and funding. How many businesses will go out of business if for one year no one in the world could lie. Science is not exempt from that.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

If you can’t use math to prove what you’re saying, there is no reason for me to believe you.

[new-person]

Then go ahead and believe everything everyone tells you, I really do not care.

There will be a time in your existence that you will get one massive big wake up call and see all the lies you believed was truth, where really just lies that got passed down as tradition.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

I believe verifiable proof, like using math to prove the earth is a sphere

[new-person]

A few things, 1. I do not think the earth is flat , I believe it has a curve.

2. This is not my argument it is yours. I am the one that asked the question, you are the one that got your back up and is trying to start an argument. 3 I am just caulm and level mind because I know how to look for truth and I am not threatened by anyone because I do not build my life up on other people's lies. I have a scientific mind with a growth mindset not fixed. 4. You are the one acting threatened with your back all up trying to start an argument, you also so signs of someone who is hard headed that has a fixed mindset whos pretend reality is threatened by a possibility.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

Caulm. Okay

[DryGermanGuy]

Obviously the school system has failed you. 🙄🤦‍♂️

[new-person]

There is a possibility of it turning you into a blind sheep that follows what they are told. But I fully am a free thinker who analyzes all things to find truth. You can believe people who openly admit all they do is guess and that's it. When what they say has all kinds of inconsistencies and what they say "well nothing is 100%" so much of what people believe is Infact just lies an only an illusion to manipulate.

[FunkyMonkee]

Anything democrats say/believe is an illusion.

[Shy_Steve]

Because it is based in fact.

If it does not logically make sense or does not add up it is an illusion.