To ask this question is to be dead in the soul. But it's still good for you none the less because it is how you become less dead.
And spoiler: lots of Christians have impotent limping souls, lots of atheists don't.
But how, at your age, do you not feel sick even thinking up a question like this? This was supposed to be something a 14 year old debates in his mind.
If you have a fully developed brain and still ask this, you probably have no concept of "voluntary morality", "justice", "choice" and "growth". You are the one who wants a predetermined destination, like your actions don't shape your own future. Spiritual people want a living, dynamic justice system of spirits that grows universal love. That's enough to start doing things for the greater good and not immediate impulsitivity. And actually, Hinduism emphasizes asceticism far more than christianity does. I never once heard you call them slaves to their dogma...
And the likes of you (yes, including christian equivalents of your intelligence) are the ones who invent the comical concept of "hell". Because you confine yourself with material, time-bound finite indulgences, your biggest "nightmare" vision of suffering is just being burned alive? Really? There is nothing worse? Like betrayal and loneliness? Only the lake of fire is what scares you?
The state of mind of people who ask this question is the very hell that any real mystic can warn about. Who the fuck believes that time functions in spirit the same way it functions in our solar system? There's no way in hell to imagine eternity from the physical senses. Because eternity literally does not exist for physical senses. Finite properties of matter are the very shit that makes physical senses real, the wavelengths against the baseline. If you burned for more than an hour you would grow accustomed to it and not feel pain.
Now, let's go a different route. Ask anyone who had near death experiences. Not what the fuck they saw. But how they saw it. The entire life reviewed in one instant. This state of consciousness with no physical sensations (how can there be, a million sensations in one millisecond? Obviously this is not a physical reliving of the body) but of mighty capacity for "reviewing", the type of so-to-say "viewpoint" that persist without a body: when you live in that "viewpoint" and realize you've been a selfish indulgent fuck. The loneliness. That's the real hell experienced by anyone who is so immature that their only concept of god is a physical entity and only concept of hell is physical fire.
You're doing good by rebelling against something. But it matters a lot, what you rebel against. The church laid the very foundation for modern science. And as much as both are permeated by anti-spiritual forces, you can still find arrows in them that point at spirituality. Take for example, the bible verse : Revelation 3:12 “Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out”
Sounds deep? Doesn't it sound exactly as what researchers below, and their younger colleagues continued up for tens of thousands of confirmed cases:
The bible verse about "pillar of God's temple who doesn't go out", and many other verses, are about how any highly evolved, loving person, through his love grows himself into a pillar of so-called "God's temple" because of literally the same form of pure love, and "no more go out" means no more need to reincarnate in a physical body.
The New Testament with Jesus speaking says nothing about burning in eternity. Jesus said he came to fulfill the Old Testament. He talks about loving one another and doing good to those who use you. Nothing about hellfire. Nothing about sexual orientation or marrying rather than burning, as St. Paul says.
Jesus says pay your taxes, render unto Caesar, and do good. Nothing about slavery or being enslaved by your faith.
Man's misinterpretation is what muddies these waters.
By the way. That pix of "God" shows six fingers on the right hand. and thumbs in the wrong places. creepy.
Paul didn’t write any books in the bible, his letters to different churches across Asia Minor were added to the Bible hundreds of years after he died. He clearly didn’t intend for his writings to become church canon, to me that’s abundantly obvious. Paul had a completely different plan of salvation than Jesus Christ as well.
I beg to differ. Paul is traditionally credited with writing 13 or 14 books of the New Testament, primarily letters known as the Pauline Epistles. Overview of Paul’s Writings The apostle Paul, originally Saul of Tarsus, was a key figure in early Christianity who wrote letters to churches and individuals addressing theology, moral guidance, and practical Christian living. These letters form a significant portion of the New Testament and are collectively called the Pauline Epistles. List of Books Traditionally Attributed to Paul The books generally attributed to Paul include: Letters to Churches: Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 Thessalonians, 2 Thessalonians Letters to Individuals (Pastoral Epistles): 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon Hebrews: Sometimes attributed to Paul, though authorship is debated 3
If Hebrews is included, Paul’s total contribution would be 14 books; without it, the count is 13 books.
Exactly he wrote letters to different churches throughout him ministry, he never intended for them to be canon. It was early church leaders who created the bible to fit their narrative, really a means to extract the most money from ignorant people.
Not in the way you think of it... In Christianity slaves and masters are both suppose to treat each other the same way. This in effect ends Earthly slavery as we think of it, thus why slavery was abolished (made illegal) in Christian nations. In Christianity you server God and God serves you...
Romans 6:22
But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life.
Ephesians 6:5-9
Bondservants, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, with a sincere heart, as you would Christ, not by the way of eye-service, as people-pleasers, but as bondservants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart, rendering service with a good will as to the Lord and not to man, knowing that whatever good anyone does, this he will receive back from the Lord, whether he is a bondservant or is free. Masters, do the same to them, and stop your threatening, knowing that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and that there is no partiality with him.
What you don't seem to get is that God is the light...
John 8:12 Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”
and hell is the separation from God in the darkness...
Matthew 25:41 Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
Matthew 25:30 And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Revelation 20:1-3 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain. And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while.
Revelation 20:10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Luke 16:23-24 and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side. And he called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.’
You can choose to hang out with God who creates ordered life or to fall into chaos and death. Being in hell is being away from God. So you have already made your choice as an atheist that follows a false prophet from the cult of reason. That's why you're in the pit with the false prophet. You followed him there...
Is that what happened in your atheist religion? I do know there was a lot of human sacrifice in the Cult of Reason (Atheism). They were lopping off heads with guillotines in the French Revolution until the streets ran red. Which one was your "god"...
In Christianity the Word (Son of God) holds everything together. He exited before time and space and is still alive. This is why scientists are always looking for the "God Particle"... They want to know how it is all held together...
Colossians 1:17 And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Hebrews 1:3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
When you examine diagrams of Big Bang theory for example you see something like this where there is an expanding universe of organized matter and energy all held together under certain rules created by God. At the edge of the expanding universe away from that organization in the outer darkness you see the dark energy and the dark ages near a cosmic microwave background radiation and the big bang that looks like a lake of fire and chaos. All the cool stuff is happening where there is organization and rules that need to be followed for things to work. God asks that you follow the rules so that things work. It's your choice at the end of the day if you want to be part of the organization or the chaos that is being pushed away from God that hold everything together.
Atheists don’t commit human sacrifice, there is no God in whom to placate. Atheists don’t have or belong to any religion, that’s kinda the point of being an atheist.
You have not seen God, you have not heard God. Thus your beliefs are held without evidence, that makes you a delusional individual.
Modern Aetheism comes from The Cult of Reason. The Cult of Reason was a movement during the French Revolution that promoted atheism and rationalism, replacing traditional religious practices with a focus on reason and science. It aimed to de-Christianize France and establish a secular society. 40,000 people were executed during the French Revolution. They were human sacrifices to your "god", otherwise known as Satan or Allah, whatever name you fancy. Atheism is a creation of Islamic Freemasonry. You're just another gay Muslim that likes to get down with the Al Zutt.
It's not that I think I special, but God does say this in reference to Israel
Genesis 12:3 I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”
Numbers 24:9 He crouched, he lay down like a lion and like a lioness; who will rouse him up? Blessed are those who bless you, and cursed are those who curse you.”
So it's not like you haven't been warned... I've seen and heard a number of things. One of which leads me to believe I can't help Muslims even though I continue to try. They where however already dead, so maybe there is still hope for you yet.
Not slaves we are servants but the works are to spread the word of God so others can be saved and find that peace as well, and heaven was gifted to those who are willing to accept that gift, it's not earned through works, if you go to hell it's only cause you chose to go to hell by denying God and his gift of heaven, God made it easy, to believe in his son that died for your salvation and to repent for your sins through prayer, everything else is done because their heart desires to accomplish their God given purpose but you can't live a life of sin and be full of repentance at the same time, it's why living in sin damns you, because they you dont truly feel regret or desire forgiveness if you go right back to it after repenting, accepting God into your life isn't just a say this and do that, it's a change of lifestyle, it's why there's always work to be done on yourself because nobody is perfect, but you aren't forced to do God's work, you want to do it once you accept God into your life, that's if you truly do tho, saying and doing are two different things.
What if I don’t like your God, what if my values don’t align with his. I personally think he’s an evil monster, a genocidal maniac. Why would I worship such a God?
Well I would say it's not the first time I hear such a thing but what most Christians fail to do is ask why
Why do you hate God? Is it the idea of hell? Eternal sufferment? death?
If you want to truly understand you'll read everything I'm going to say here, hell wasn't designed for humans, I'm going to start it like that, hell was created for Satan and his demons, they are all fallen angels that rebelled against God and were banished from heaven, Satan then gave himself a purpose and that was to separate as many people (God's creation) from God which created a spiritual war, now there's influence, hidden messages and symbolism, evil agendas etc all to distract people from God, when God made Adam and Eve (first humans) Satan made them disobey God which created sin, now people sin, Adam and Eve were damned so God made them mortal where they die, because we were suppose to live in peace no death or sin but Satan corrupted that, so instead of destroying us, god came down to earth in the form of a human to live a perfect life and die perfect so you can be forgiven from sin and go to heaven, but only if you accept that, the reason people go to hell is because hell is the only place Gods presence is absent, when you choose to deny to have God in your life, you deny him for eternity when you die as well, which leads you to the one place that God doesn't show himself, which is where all the damned is, Satan and his fallen angels
Which is why God made it the works of Christians to convert others to Christianity to be saved from hell because he gave us all free will, only way to be saved is if you choose him over whatever sin you find comfort living in, God loves you and it's probably the only reason why I felt the need to even say all this instead of minding my own business, God wants you to go to heaven and he wants to be in your life, he's always knocking on the door, but you have the choice if you want to open the door or not, it's not about rules and forcing to do works or none of that, it's about who you choose to give your soul too, whatever consequences come from that choice is in your control right here, right now
Christianity is all about your connection with God, prayer and works of God and salvation are just part of the bundle, but the importance is your connection with him, prayer and repentance and your desire to run from sin is what God wants, not as simple as people make it seem, do this do that, hell this heaven that, it's not about all that, the true importance is to connect with God and that will make you want to read the Bible and everything will just fall into place
Christians are expected to renounce their personality, their judgment, their whole lives for that nonexistent bearded fucker up in the skies.
They're expected to waste their lives for the glory of the antiquity's equivalent of Mickey Mouse.
They are worst than slaves. Slaves are forced into being slaves and they hate it, obviously. If they could, they would break free and murder their "masters" in their sleep and no one would cry about it.
But christians love their master and they love wasting their lives working for him for free, in exchange for the dream of a place in heaven.
Is this version of God illustrated above certified by Marvel? 😂
Wait, no, it's not God, it's Plato
Well, Plato, but it's California
I digress.
Slavery implies that you are forced to obey, whereas some Christians manifestly chose, among several other options, several existing religions, to believe in God as presented by the Bible. There may be also Christians who believed it was their only option, because of peer pressure?
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No. Obedience to God is the only salvation from hell. God cannot save you if you do not want this. This is what awaits us in the afterlife, hell or heaven, everyone believes or not, but if you believe in God, who is love, you have no other salvation. Everyone goes at their own risk in life and what they believe. But obedience to God is not slavery, because God protects those who serve him.
All God wants is your love. When you love someone who loves you, “obedience” isn’t the dirty word you think it is. Try being less self centered. Then doing for others stops feeling like oppression.
You don’t know what you’re talking about. Try reading the bible and actually understanding it. And yes, the vast majority of people like you who criticize something with absolutely no meaningful understanding of it, you’re ignorant and self centered. It doesn’t matter which religion you choose, but you will always be useless and miserable until you grow up and learn to serve someone other than yourself.
No you haven’t. You just tell people that because it makes idiots think you know what you’re talking about. As someone who has read the bible and fully understands it, i can spot bullsh*t easy. You have never gotten past the cover and 100% of your nonsense is based off your FEELINGS about what other idiots told you was written and what it means. For example: i defy you to quote ANY segment of the bible that suggests God will torture you for not worshipping him. Take all the time you need, clown shoes.
MARK 9:43 “If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.”
ISAIAH 66:24 “And they will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.”
Now we know that you don’t understand English. NONE of that is God torturing people for not worshipping him. You’re the kind of idiot who thinks the guy is evil who doesn’t give you his parachute when the plane is going to crash. Hell is the default. That’s just where you go. If you don’t want to go there, love God. God is the guy giving out parachutes and you’re mad because you don’t get one just for the demanding. If you ACTUALLY read and UNDERSTOOD the bible, instead of looking up verses that you think support your nonsense, then here’s a simple fundamental fact that you would understand. God ALREADY had complete obedience and perfect love from the angels that he created first. It was unfulfilling. So he created humans, with free will. Because their CHOICE to love him meant something. One angel above all rebelled and he created Hell to punish humans for not loving God the way the angels do. Once again, IF you actually read the bible and understood it, you would know that. You’re ignorant and hateful, self centered and a liar to boot. Everyone who knows the bible knows it too. The only people you’re fooling are the other ignorant, hateful, self absorbed hypocrites and liars like yourself. Attacking people with the peace of their faith in their hearts hasn’t made you feel any better yet. But keep on beating that dead horse, clown shoes. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
How is that slavery. It's quite LITERALLY the definition of FREE WILL. Just because you don't like the rules doesn't mean you're not free to choose. Don't like it? Overthrow God. Good luck with that. Didn't work out so well the last time. If you really don't like this, create your own universe and bring life into existence and rule that.😆 Good luck with that as well.
Nah... it's more like, I've got some awesome things to show you, but if you don't trust me, I understand. It's unfortunate though, cause it's pretty fucking cool up here.
Except he doesn't need to. He made his divine plan, and since he knows everything, your devotion or not, why it is that way, is all predetermined, as is your punishment and boons.
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