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Where do liberal and atheist moral values ultimately come from?

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  • indissoluble
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    Atheism arose out of the "Cult of Reason" during the French Revolution where Islamic Freemasons staged a color revolution against the power of the Catholic Church. The theism they are revolting against is Christianity, because Islam is the anti-Christ religion, thus Atheist are just Muslims.

    Liberalism comes out a Christianity and Aristotle's logic which is harnessed by Thomas Aquinas (Catholic Priest) who's ideas help to foster The Renaissance and give birth to Science/Empiricism where John Locke draws ideas from bring forth ideas of Classical Liberalism.

    That's not to be confused with Social Liberalism, which is Socialism mascaraing as Liberalism because the USA a Judeo-Christian was founded on Classical Liberalism, thus in order to usurp the government, Socialists pretend to be Liberals so as to claim authority over the Constitution and the founding of our country even those Classical Liberalism is the greatest enemy of Socialism.

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    • indissoluble
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      * "bringing"

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    • indissoluble
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      *Judeo-Christian nation

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    • indissoluble
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      *though

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    • indissoluble
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      It's like how Democrats claim they are women when they are men. Everyone knows they are really men in dresses. It's obvious, but they keep trying to change the definition. It's the same thing with Socialists pretending to be Liberals.

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    • WilliamStormsReturn
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      Christian, forget the jew

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    • indissoluble
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      Nope, I'm not going to forget Jesus the Jew. Nor would I forget the Jewish Apostles. Nor would I deny that the Gospel be preached to the Jews first as part of the covenant relationship between God and Israel. Christianity is Jewish. It doesn't matter how many times you get blasted in the ass by the Al Zutt like Muhammad, it will never give you enough strength to make me "forget the jew"...

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  • Lliam
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    I don't know about liberal moral values. I disagree with most modern liberal values.
    But atheist moral values come from common sense. You don't need the fear of some god to know what's right and wrong.
    Most people, other than sociopaths and psychopaths, have an innate sense of empathy. They are averse to harming others and will often help others who are in need.

    I haven't seen a lot of evidence for Christianity or Judaism imparting a love for fellow humans. They tend to be selective about for whom they care. And what they consider to be moral is questionable. Not that there aren't some really good Christians, Jews and people of all faiths.

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    • Lliam
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      I'm not fond of conservative values either.
      I still have what I call 1960s liberal values - peace, love, tolerance, open mindedness, fairness and justice, non-violence, love of liberty, distrust of authority, anti-authoritarianism, and opposition to empire and wars of aggression.
      And I am an agnostic who leans toward animism. I am certainly not religious.

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    • WilliamStormsReturn
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      But why are those mentally ill people wrong? If everything is a subjective opinion, what if the empaths are emotionally deluded?

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    • Lliam
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      Being involved in a head on collision or getting brutally raped isn't a subjective opinion. There are such things as objective facts.
      The fact that men aren't women and women aren't men isn't subjective opinion. It is plain fact.

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    • WilliamStormsReturn
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      But you can't prove morality as an objective fact. Sure, those things are negative for them, but we need a spiritual reason to believe that it's wrong or why we should care.

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    • Lliam
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      What spiritual reason? Religion?

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  • WhitneySnow
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    Secular humanism. Which is not at all a bad thing. It derives from the Renaissance and teaches that we don’t need a god, that we can set our own morality by simply respecting and caring about our fellow humans. This is not a bad thing. I am a Christian, but faith is a private personal matter and I have the utmost respect for my friends who choose to believe in humanism. It gets them to the same result (the greater good of everyone, especially your friends and neighbors and loved ones) as Christianity does and I believe that’s what God wants, much more than for people to say they believe in God but not practice Christ’s first law “Love thy neighbor as thyself.”

    Also existentialism. I don’t know much about it, but I know it believes in personal morality and ultimately gets you to the same point of helping others before you help yourself.

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    • WilliamStormsReturn
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      I agree with that, but it is still not objective. When I was atheist, I eventually had a existential crisis against my own seclar humanism.

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    • WilliamStormsReturn
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      Secular humanism plagiarises Christianity

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    • WhitneySnow
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      It doesn’t. It’s derived from Ancient Greek and Roman tradition. But they do share a lot of the same values.

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    • WilliamStormsReturn
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      ok they also appropiate pagan culture

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    • strateguy632
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      to @WhitneySnow
      the romans who had the morality of gladiator fights?

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    • WilliamStormsReturn
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      @strateguy632 no romans were very degenerate.

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  • purplepoppy
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    We're taught things are wring because they negatively affect others. We understand what it feels like when bad things happen to us and so try not to inflict them on others. Our families teach us right from wrong.

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    • WilliamStormsReturn
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      I agree with that, but it is still not objective. When I was atheist, I eventually had a existential crisis against my own seclar humanism.

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  • strateguy632
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    they copied from the new testament without giving credit. plagiarism "University defines plagiarism as follows: “Presenting work or ideas from another source as your own, with or without consent of the original author, by incorporating it into your work without full acknowledgement."

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    • WilliamStormsReturn
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      I agree buddy there bad

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  • DryGermanGuy s
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applied_ethics


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normative_ethics



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaethics

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  • slatyb
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    From empathy -- we don't need someone else to tell us not to harm others. Other animals also display empathy, particularly the great apes but also elephants and cetaceans.

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  • najekim
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    I'd say "common sense" but the extreme liberals don't have any.

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  • Godihateyou
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    They have zero moral values. They have no values. All they know is evil and hypocrisy

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  • MemeSupreme
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    i like how you linked them together lol

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    • WilliamStormsReturn
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      I used to be both Atheist and Liberal, this wasn't an attack, I'm genuinely curious. Everybody has different moral beliefs and feelings.

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  • Dargil
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    Without religion, morality is subjective.

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    • WilliamStormsReturn
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      I agree.

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