Logically, isn't belief in karma the world's biggest bringer of bad karma? Belief in salvation the biggest obstacle to salvation?

[Coercion_Is_Trauma]

If karma is there to make us feel pain, and people use the belief in karma/god to minimize emotional pain, then that necessitates karma to cause even more chaos in the physical world in order to finally force us to feel that original pain.

Christians are the same. Belief in salvation is used to silence the heart.

You can answer even if you believe that the collective unconscious is confined in the brain as a set of DNA programmed archetypes. I think the two screenshots below prove otherwise. But it does not imply any prepackaged schools of thought, for example, does not prove any "simulation", nor any kamaloca.

Imagine, an external past life can physically affect what's inside a woman's womb, cause defects.

No asinine "they defunded it so it is fake!" - it's just too rare to rely on, but the rare was proven accurate.

The message of religion appears to be that in order to end the suffering of one part, we must sacrifice another part. That is how karma needs to be extinguished, I agree. But mainstream religion has the parts switched:

I say suffer in your heart silently and karma will cease causing you physical and mental torment.

Religion says do these actions physically, avoid negative emotions, and hope for relief after death (or somehow feel pain without a body..)

If you always focus on the explanation of how it happened or say "it's in god's hands" to avoid feeling agony, then obviously no amount of pain will resolve your karma causing it.

Jesus said that to follow him has nothing to do with symbolizing or naming his name or using forgiveness to bypass the suffering, "disregard your own father, mother, wife, children, brothers, sisters, and your own life..." means be heartbroken at every single cope and distortion subconsciously committed especially by our family because we are raised to believe that our parents' flaws are not to be upset about. Most harm in the world is unintentional and still we must feel the ache, deleted from excusing, no matter how excusable.

Yes, the subconscious generates more suffering until the heart aches

No, good intentions is all it takes to pave the road to heaven

[Anonymous]

Imagine being a crabby girl on a boat on a lake with a boyfriend (probably just toy boys in a bathtub lake) lashing out at people online because they are doing EXACTLY what you are desperate to do all day every day and have been doing for years but throw a fit about when they beat you to it. Entitled much?

[Anonymous]

Imagine having no life but to sit here all day and be the first to answer every question for 12 hours.

[strateguy632]

Logic means one idea caused another. What you wrote has zero logic. Karma does not mean suffering. Also salvation is by faith and grace.

[Anonsonly]

You should be the last person on this whole site to complain about incoherent questions.

But the sequence here is straightforward. Reincarnation is proven. So with the knowledge of generational traumas and their ability to cause somatic illnesses, we already see how wounds from past lives must be bringing subconscious traumas with them, and since the environment they are being born to produces the conditions which enable the wounds and birth defects to express then that means karma. Generational traumas need us to feel pain in order to resolve, so then karma is a form of generational trauma that includes past lives and needs us to feel pain. The non-local mind is proven too, which means karma externally gets you even if you were to internally deaden it. Which you haven't because you clearly have health issues. And you are frustrated reading this because it is too painful. And you just proved what is wrong with religion, when the bible literally instructs people to feel holy sorrow. Sorrow in the heart so it lifts off the physical subconsciously karmically made misfortune and bad luck. But religionists interpret it in the opposite direction and cause physical pain just to prevent the heart from sorrow. And even "empathy" obsessed people refuse to feel pain, it's intellectualizing emotions.

What do you need salvation from anyway? From the suffering your own subconscious causes because you refuse to use your heart?

[strateguy632]

@Anonsonly that is not the terms: karma and salvation mean.
You did not understand my incoherent question yesterday?
Is eye shadow your favorite makeup? ↗

[strateguy632]

@Anonsonly see acts 4 about jesus name

[strateguy632]

your claim does not match your quote. "disregard your own father, mother, wife, children, brothers, sisters, and your own life..." you @Coercion_Is_Trauma said "means be heartbroken?' never said 'be sad.' doesn't match.
it means 'they will say stop following jesus but ignore even your parents.'

[Anonymous]

I believe in neither but believing it doesn’t swing the pendulum in the negative direction.

[Anonymous]

What are you talking about?

[Anonsonly]

Sounds like he is parroting Carl Jung:

​"Neurosis is always a substitute for legitimate suffering."

​"There is no coming to consciousness without pain." ​

"The psychological rule says that when an inner situation is not made conscious, it happens outside, as fate."

Personally i had many experiences both following a panic-filled half-sentence prayer and without any prayer, of anomalous luck, sometimes my body doing the undoable and sometimes the outer world just doing everything accidentally in my favor. All of the times, it was proceeded by an intense pain of what happens if i fail.

Even more often i had bad luck preceeded by thinking of it but refusing to feel the pain of it.

Which makes me agree that all the bad shit our own subconscious mind drags us through --- and the outer world as Jung himself with Wolfgang Pauli demonstrated --- happens because we refuse to suffer it.

Try it. A victim mindset but without complaining. Feel the pain. Deeply. Even if your wife does something super special in an attempt to make you happy and fails and causes an accident that costs you money... do not instantly forgive. Well don't hate her either, but do not refuse to feel heartbroken by it. Feel the raw pain. Yes, as if it is karmic punishment. The inner torment. And I believe that's how the torment is put to an end.

The reason worrying about the bad things prevents them from happening is not because you are careful enough to prevent them, but because the subconscious/karma sees no more need to cause it if you already suffered it internally.