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I'm in high school and i wanted to say that when girls complain about not being able to wear what we want we are mostly taking about ridiculous tiles like the three finger strap rule. Guys won't get distracted by our shoulders. I think as long as you have something covering your genitalia, it's not a big deal. A little legs isn't going to cause a guy that much distraction. Plus, i was reading the comments and what you said about urges to look. I think looking once would be alright but not starting or making a comment. He's allowed to look at what she is pouring in display but full out staring is not okay. I think boys should be brought up as if it's not a big deal so eventually, if a girl wants to take off her shirt she can do so without being judged. Lol but that would take a a few generations.
A little leg and small straps go a lot further than yoy think in a guys mind. And the way you say that guys should be brought up, that's why majority of guys these days are douche bags. Crap like rhis is why the gentleman is a dying breed
Well they need to get used to a little leg and small straps. It's not fair that we have to die of heat because a guy can't control himself. We're supposed to have knee length shorts. You know how hard it is to find those for girls? Parents need to start bringing up their sons to accept this. @Bowshots86
Is it easier for every guy in the world to change the way he thinks? Or for girls to have an extra inch or two longer shorts at school
Have you ever tried finding knee length sorts that look good on girls? My school is a more loose on the rules than any school I've been to. There are girls at my school that wear short shorts and crop tops. The his at my school look but then go back to work! Why is it so impossible for every other guy?
@Bowshots86
actually im a crossdresser so i have tried to find them and i know it's difficult, my point is that you have to dress modestly. That is a given
I feel like that's up to the person. If they're comfortable so be it. @Bowshots86
Under that statement i could walk around naked in public and as long as i say it's comfortable there wouldn't be a thing you could do about it.
Comfortbale to a point. As long as the private parts are covered there is no reason why they can't go out in what they want unless it is in a place where it is not acceptable. Basically wherever a guy is allowed shirtless, the girl can wear her short shorts and crop top if she so desired
@Bowshots86.
When you see something amazing, do you stare? Like if there was a brilliant display of stars in the sky or a sunset? You most likely would because you would want to take in that moment as much as you can before it went away. Men do this when women are displaying themselves because we admire the beauty of the female body and we are visually stimulated. We try and absorb as much as we can while we have it in our sites.
"Boys should be brought up..." this is a common female concept where you assume to understand the mind of a sex which you are not part of. We both think and act differently because of our sexual makeup... assuming males should be able to simply act like a female because you don't understand how we function is wrong. It would be like saying... "Girls just need to be brought up to stop being emotional over everything."
It's a bullshit idea about changing the core makeup of your sex.
That's not what I'm saying at all. If we don't sexualize breasts eventually it would a common sight
That's very true. and I agree we shouldn't sexualize breast. I think we shouldn't sexualize any part of the human body, but unfortunately society does put a stigma on items of the body which bring sexual pleasure and therefore rules were created and we are expected as a member of that society to abide by those rules. If we don't want to abide by those rules we are free to move to a place where those rules do not exist.
"but mentally comfortable on the other hand, would require a person to want the ATTENTION which comes from showing off their body." This is just untrue and is merely your opinion on the matter. It in no way means that people wearing very little are comfortable, it doesn't mean they do it for attention. That's just what you think. Some people will and a lot of people won't.
Where do you get the idea that men don't walk around in just a pair of shorts? Men can wear far less than women since they can go topless. I just can't take you seriously when you make such ignorant and seemingly stupid claims.
Men can look all they want, if they don't want to get hassle for it then stop leering, it's just common manners is all it is. Women check men out all the time but the majority don't leer and make comments and have their tongue hanging out.
"It in no way means that people wearing very little are comfortable", so if it isn't for comfort, and it's not for attention... why do they wear it? I can't imagine wearing something I am not comfortable in and don't want the attention of wearing, for any reason when I have an option of something else.
The male topless argument is mute. A male being topless is not the same as a female walking around with her ass cheeks hanging out of her pants, her cameltoe in her tights, or her labia majora slipping out of her "jean thong" shorts. Exposing your SEXUAL parts is not socially appropriate. Calling my claims stupid and ignorant simply because you can't see the logical separation of the two doesn't make the claim less valid.
Your claim that if men don't want to get hassle then they should stop leering, is no less ignorant than saying "If a girl doesn't like guys looking then she should cover up." I mean having some basic discretion is just manners.
Women do leer and make comments.
Yeah that was a typo sorry and I meant they are comfortable, the rest though... please explain to me why a man walking around in tiny shorts is any different to a woman walk about in very little? I really would like an explanation because right now it's just you not seeing men's bodies as sexual. Just because you don't see them harvest doesn't mean they aren't seen that way by others.
And you know damned well women do not leer like men, yes a small percentage but if you try and say that just as many women do it you are a liar and you know that isn't true.
A man walking around in little shorts is in NO WAY different than a girl doing it. I don't see men walking around in short shorts. Because men who do are treated like the guys above.
A male wearing little clothing WOULD be a distraction, but we are not permitted to (in schools, and professional atmospheres), and neither should women... that's the premise of this post.
Women do not leer at men because women are thought stimulated, males are visually stimulated. It's a studied fact. So a female can see a male and take interest but then the rest happens in her head, a male see's a female and takes interest and we try and absorb as much of what we are seeing while we can see it, because it will go and the image will fade. It's the same as if you saw a beautiful sunset... you would stare and sty to soak in as much of the beauty as you could because it's a stunning image. That's how we see attractive females, as amazing works of art that are only viewable for a short period of time.
Don't you dare tell me how my thought processes work. If you think women don't look at men and appreciate their bodies then you're a fool. We just don't make noises about it and insist on calling our friends over to look as well.
Men do wear short shorts, you're being an ass pretending things don't happen so I'm don't talking to you. Obviously you live an extremely sheltered life as all of these things seem alien to you. I'm not even sure what the purpose of your question is, are you finding it hard to stop leering at women and think women should stop dressing in a way that distracts you? Because that is truly pathetic. Are you a Muslim? They seem to have a problem with their men not being able to control themselves around women. That's why they make them wear fucking bedsheets. You want things to forget way, or do you think you can control your libido? Get a grip man.
HAHAHA OK "I" won't tell you.
"adolescent boys frequently feel strong responses to visual sexual stimuli," ... "In contrast, adolescent girls' response often arise from emotional reactions to their partner, or romantic themes in films, novels and magazines." <--THOUGHT
- https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/808430
"In terms of sexual activity, men are prevalently turned on by what they see, whereas women are turned on by ambience, touch, scent, as well as visual perception."
-https://www.fitbrains.com/blog/women-men-brains/
www.scientificamerican.com/.../
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2739403/
www.sciencedaily.com/.../120903221050.htm
Yeah women look... you don't "make noises" about it because once you have the image... the rest is thought driven.
Sure, I'm an ass whatever works for you. But men do NOT wear shorts with their ass cheeks hanging out. If you see that where you live... prove it.
I am not "having trouble leering" at women. I simply am making a stand against all the whining I constantly hear from women about being oppressed for having to abide by the same rules males have to live by.
Your constant attempt to shame me with name calling is sad and doesn't work.
Not only are you telling me, as a man, how ALL women think but you are also putting words in my mouth then arguing back at them!
Bye bye.
Well I am sorry that mentioning Scientific facts about male female differences (with SOURCES) makes you feel that (I MYSELF and only ME) is telling you how the average male female brain functions differently.
I am sure you feel just as jilted when science tells you that females are more likely to get Alzheimer's than men. www.healthywomen.org/condition/alzheimers-disease
I mean even though science shows that it's more likely... You might not like the idea you are more likely to get it, so maybe if you just ignore those FACTS and act like I'm just telling you it... It isn't a real FACT!
I mean I would hate to put words in your mouth and say that "women are more likely to get emotional just before their period" because hey YOU might not and therefore, that FACT is irrelevant to the rest of females everywhere, right?
Do you honestly, seriously, actually, live life with that mentality? I hope not.
Have a great day dear.
Whatever dude, you're just being a dick. Have a nice life getting annoyed at women for having bodies that you like looking at.
Oh the name calling caveat.
Why is it that you have to reduce the conversation to petty name calling, why is it you can't just accept that there are things you may be incorrect about, or that you might not have seen from another angle? Why is it that when ever a male shows a female a critical flaw in their logic, they always reduce the conversation to "Well you are just a dick, have a nice life hating women".
This is why many man feel women need to be treated with kid gloves. You don't have to get your back up just because something doesn't go your way.
Like I said, being a dick.
I sort of agree. Those first two pictures, the man is getting attention because he looks ridiculous. It's out of the ordinary. Those women aren't 'checking him out'.
I agree that a woman can't complain about being looked at if she's doing her grocery shopping in a bikini, or if her skirt is so short you can see her ass. But I think short shorts and tank tops are the usual in summer. Of course, we dress like that to show off our bodies, but what I disagree with is that men see a woman dressed like that and think she's a slut. All three of those pictured men don't look like they're advertising themselves. Neither should it look like women are doing that when they wear shorts.
let men look at women that are showing off let women look at men that are showing off they can't complain if they look fucking ridiculous or are half naked
Everything ran (society) smoothly and with minor issue until ridiculous issues such as these entitlements came to pass. There is a massive difference between equality and equality plus one or "I am owed" mentalities. The good thing is these things rarely bother anyone who has actually made it in life and are relegated to either life long failures (in every facet of their existence) or people who feel they are owed for whatever reason.
It's best to let the ridiculously small minority of complainers be pissed about whatever they want and ignore them as they are most certainly not worth anyone's time.
Gloriousness
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Yeah, frankly wouldn't you LIKE to be looked/stared (regardless of gender)? It would totally make me flattered, though I think what starers should do is break the awkwardness by complimenting. If you don't say anything, the other person might be getting creeped out because they don't KNOW why you're staring. Now, if you compliment them and they act like a bitch/asshole, then that's their choice, but I think for many that would be the solution. I think many people feel uncomfortable because they aren't so sure WHAT they are being stared at for.
Agreed, you should've written this take. Haha.
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"I didn't waste your time, you clicked the post and took it upon yourself to read or was the images of men have naked so distracting that you had to take a minute of your time to find out why? We as a society can be more productive, but as you proved, distractions occur because people see thinks they find interesting, be it for good or bad reasons. SO thank you for proving my point."
-The almighty LogicBomber
I have to agree.
Its not all males fault that we look at girls when they wear short shorts and a shirt that shows cleavage. Its programmed in a male brain to look.
The same can be said if a male wore the exact same thing a girl wears. She will look at him because it is in her nature.
Its human nature. So a guy can't be blamed fully.
If a girl wears shorts that reveals her legs, she can't expect that males will not look. When he does look, she blames him for looking 'because he is a guy.'
I agree with this. I hate when girls at my school wear slutty clothes & then complain for getting stared at/breaking the school dress code. They, of course, always use the excuse "But it's comfyyyy!!!" Mmm. Sure. See-through top that shows belly and extreme short-shorts in the winter. Very comfortable.
A decent teen! There is hope for the world :D
@lamborgini15 :P
If things worked the way you said, everything would be backwards, since it would be a matriarchy oppressing men.
Humans should not follow their natural instincts, because natural instincts tend to be selfish.
You just want an excuse to leer at people.
I think I hear hobbes and some other leviathan supporters nodding their heads with you. You make the theocracy proud.
This deserves infinite downvotes...
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't knew rape, incest, infanticide, cannibalism and murder were good things.
Someone forgot to send me the memo.
I don't get it. You think the girls that complain about being stared at wear suit shirts with ties with no pants? Obviously the women in those pictures are staring because the guys look ridiculous. And it's not just about being uncomfortable, it's about it possibly leading to rape and harassment. I've worn jeans and a tee to walk in and I was followed home while the guys screamed degrading things. So it's not about what the girl wears, its about how that staring could end up much worse.
Swing and a miss!!
I'm going to echo many other people here. It's not about a girl being allowed to wear whatever she wants. It's about her being more restricted in what she can wear when it can still be appropriate.
Some girls aren't even allowed to wear 3-finger strap tank tops that show no cleavage or shorts. That's stupid.
And it's bullshit to assume EVERYONE is going to be distracted by what's someone's wearing because that's NOT true. If I'm seeing a guy in a lime green tank top and fishnet stockings, I would chuckle and walk on. That's not distracting.
But there are some boys who will literally stand and stare at a girl's behind just because the jeans she's wearing fills out her butt nicely.
Before making a laughable take, at least make sure you understood the basic premise of the arguments that you're countering. :)
Can guys in your school wear basketball jerseys with the massive side holes in school with nothing under them, or the mesh ones, or a beater tanktop?
If you were trying to learn and your teacher had on tights and you could see his penis through them, you would just keep on learning and wouldn't notice at all... YEAHHHHH BULLSHIT!
So in a professional environment where teachers need to try and teach, they do NOT need to see children half naked. It is without question distracting. It distracts everyone and isn't appropriate for an academic environment. Period.
Guys stare because they are visually stimulated, and women are thought stimulated, this has been studied. When you go off in your daze thinking about some guy you are crushing on, you are doing the female equivalent of when males stare.
Your laughing at basic logic doesn't make my take less valid, it just shows you don't have the mental fortitude to see basic principles. I understand the premise I am arguing quite well, miss.
Yes, they could.
If my teacher was wearing tights, I'd laugh, but I still know how to focus in school instead of being completely distracted.
Wow. What a retard. No one said that the kids would be half-naked and most of the arguments aren't even FOR that. What I'm laughing at is the fact that your dumbassery doesn't even target the majority of arguments that many girls are complaining about.
I'm sorry that you're a fucktard and unable to understand that a girl wearing a tank top that doesn't reveal her breasts and is three fingered straps is NOT distracting nor against dress code, but many people will be distracted anyway as well as unable to refrain from making asinine assumptions that a person with common sense would understand that in a logical argument, those shouldn't be made and it's considered "bias"/
You clearly understand nothing. :D
Just in case if you're too fucking too stupid to understand your asinine assumption that you made: "It distracts everyone and isn't appropriate for an academic environment. Period."
Not EVERYONE will be distracted regardless if the person is wearing is revealing or not. I'm not distracted when I see a guy with a hardon walking or a girl with her breasts out. It's funny. I do notice it. But to absolutely become distracted to the point where I can't focus on anything else? I have more self-control than that especially if it's something important.
... Lol. People like you should kill themselves though. :)
"What a retard" wow nice one. Maturity to the utmost degree.
"Dumbassery" another shaming gem.
"Fucktard" even more brilliant childishness.
"You clearly understand nothing"... classic.
"In case your to fucking stupid"... WOW ad homienm gold.
"People like you should kill themselves"... THAT is just icing on the cake. You are a despicable human being for even suggesting someone commit suicide because you don't agree with their opinion. I would flag you in hopes you get banned but I think people should see the kind of person you are.
Your basic refusal to accept that there is a definite baseline bias and refusal to respond with rational and logic reasons, but rather attack me as a speaker, shows how little you have to offer here. It would furthermore be a waste of time to continue this debate with you as you obviously have nothing left to provide than personal attacks.
Women wear what they do to get attention. Any female who claims she doesn't is either lying or dead.
At the same time, ANY dress code that exceeds the legal barrier of concealing genitalia is barbaric. Western cultures have no problem objecting to the head- to- toe garb of Muslim nations but go nuts if a teenager wears a miniskirt to school.
It is the height of sexism and objectification to dictate any standard of female dress anywhere.
But the Muslim dress wear is religious purposes, where as dressing in clothing close to wearing nothing is free well. Obviously, Muslims have a choice whether they want to follow the rule or not but they are raised to believe it's modest. When you're wearing practically nothing, that's a choice.
So there is a big difference when going to school.
What difference? You've said nothing that even remotely challenges my comment.
Damn double standards!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ643U7ccpMSharron Osborne is a horrible human being and I know she technically has nothing to do with the video but she laughed about a male being mutilated by his partner when she was on the view/or talk. She thought it was hilarious that a male had his penis cut off and was gitty at the thought. She is disgusting and awful.
Great take actually! Hanging around guys (probably way too much) I've gotten used by the usual checking new meat out :p haha I've almost become just like em openly checking them boys out
man.. you broke it down very well lol. It really is completely absurd that many women feel strongly about this and are completely crazy to do so. I personally think they just look for ways to exploit men and shaming men for something natural is a great way to do that
I think a guy can wear whatever they want, and so can girls. if people start wearing things they don't like or aren't comfortable in because they don't want to worry about unwanted attention is messed up. In schools today, dress code for girls is much more strict then it is for guys, so I think that's where a lot of this comes from. but I think either way its not okay, and at some points teaches people to fear others when they are wear something considered "reveling"
I mean I guess so as long as the guys don't look feminine to the point of being a distraction. The whole thing is high school bores most kids so they get distracted by these things a little but then use it as entertainment because their bored. The school systems response is to restrict those "distracting" things.
Dress codes in schools are EXACTLY the same for both genders, read them both.
The problem is that girls have more options of what shows off body parts and are more determined to do it and it becomes more of a battle than with boys.
If a guy went to school in a mesh crop top, a large open sided tank top, super short shorts, clothes so tight it showed his genitals, these are all things which would get him sent home. Guys also are unable to wear clothes which are designated "girls" clothes, which is not the case for girls wearing guys clothes.
Actually at my high school before I graduated, boys were allowed to wear bro tanks but girls could not because of our sexually enticing shoulders and apparently the sacks of fat that sit on our chests are just as attractive.
@KAZ-2Y5 same with my school. also there is a rule about boys not being able to show there boxers, however many guys still sag there pants and don't get in trouble but my friend got sent home because her sweater slid off her shoulder a bit and you could see her bra strap for like a second before she fixed it
Same at my school I know a girl who got suspended for her bra strap showing but the guys sag their pants all day
Well in the case of your school I can agree that if males were allowed to wear tank tops, female should have as well, but I can say from all the dress codes I have looked into... it isn't common that males are allowed to wear tops like that.
I know in my high school males were more likely to be stopped for violations than girls. No sleeveless shirts, not graphic tees, no saggy pants, no mesh jerseys, no Mohawks, doc martins, cowboy boots, long hair.
And this is why I made the post. I think it's different in all schools and it is not just a female centric thing, it all depends on where you are and what you are looking to find. People go out of their way to make everything a sex, race, or cultural issue when it isn't. It's just what you deem as an issue.
Those outfits look horrible. Not sexy. I wouldn't look twice. Just walk away and giggle by myself. I would do the same if I saw a girl wearing awkward revealing clothes. So it's not sexist.
I can't say anything aboit school dress codes because we don't have those. We can wear shorts, crop tops etc. But most never would.
I think the same by seeing a local that guy wears this type of dreess and everyone discrminated but when girls weared what guy wear people find her hot.
Basically today girls wear everything what a guy wear but guys are restricted because if you wear such a dresses girls won't date.
I don't know why?
interesting perspective... though i dont think a lot of guys would want to look like that. They look terrible... ahaha
That's true and we know it, but unfortunately the same applies to many women who wear almost nothing. They shouldn't be, but they do. As men we are just more accepting of the wide range of looks women parade around in, as men we have to pretty much stick to what is excepted or be shamed.