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I don't think anyone is "winning" this deal. Marriage and family will become something only immigrants undertake over time, given the number of women who proclaim loudly how much they don't want to have kids.
Divide and conquer
Divide us on race
Sex
Religion
politics
etc
etc
Then everyone is at each others throats and attacks and kills one another. And the group of the real racial supremacists, conquer us all
Not entirely innacurrate, that is what ISIS has been trying to do with the west, and it's what the west did to the world about 200 to 300 years ago
Yep, that's exactly what's going on. That's one of the goals of a Marxist ideology: divide and concur along race, sex, religion, and politics, in order to tear down civilization, in hopes of rebuilding a Marxist utopia. "From chaos, order." It hasn't worked since Nimrod first tried it; all it does is create chaos.
@VeritechAce I can't wait for the day when all marxist literature is burned and all those ideas about communism are destroyed along with the people who want to enslave humanity with their regressive ideology
@VeritechAce Not marxism, it's extreme nationalism, or in this case, religious extremism
@VictoriousSausage Extreme nationalism? Nationalism in even its most extreme forms is not bad
Even nationalism in WW2 Germany wasn't bad. All Hitler wanted was to reunite the german people.
religious extremism is much different
Oh dear god, please don't bring Hitler into this. ISIS is very comparible to WW2 Germany, anyone who disagrees with the state is exectured, or disappears, or "goes to work in labour camps". ask any WW2 survivor, they will tell you, ISIS is very similar to the Nazi's, the Nazis went about it a bit differently, and you're right, Nationalism isn't bad, if people don't use it as a reason to believe they're any better than anyone else, which, unfortunately is the definition of nationalism. Patriotism is fine, and any nation, regardless of political form, can have patriots.
But you are wrong.
The Nazi's were evil, and Hitler was their mastermind, the person who orchestrated it all, a man so paranoid he killed himself and killed several of his advisers over fears they were betraying him. Most people of Europe will tell you now that it was a sad and disturbing time, and believing that it's fine is disturbing, because it means you simply haven't been impacted enough by the holocaust.
Seems like it's only an internet problem to me. I don't notice this IRL.
I'm noticing it, or rather the behavior without the label. More guys at jobs I work at are starting to shun marriage and give up on commitment. None of them label themselves and most don't know about Mgtow.
In fact, a large amount of Mgtows don't even know they are labelled as such.
I agree I see a lot more of it than you might realise. A lot of
Normal decent men , not blaming women or wanting to go on a shooting spree. It's just the way modern society has panned out for an increasingly sizeable minority
Relationships with women no longer have any upside for men. Pussy is easy to get without having to get married, lose half your shit and access to your children. Be thrown in jail for false DV or false child abuse claims used to just to gain advantage in divorce court. Men are saying, Why should I risk all that? Next pussy please.
Why would anyone want to be a part of either? It's just full of a bunch of people who go on some bad dates and then they say they "give up", boohoo.
But think about it this way, if they give up and you don't, didn't or haven't then that means less potential competitors in the future. Who knows? Maybe some of those guys live closer to you and locally, so if they gave up and you're still looking, that's fewer competitors for you.
@JudgmentDay I mean that's the bright side of it LOL.
The only thing that is getting repetitive and annoying is the boohoo blaming it entirely on the other person or the other gender without carefully and closely examining their own faults and flaws and actually doing something about it.
@JudgmentDay Exactly, people are using scape goats so that they can''t look at the bigger picture and blame themselves
This is something that only affects young adults who watch too much TV and watch too much Buzzfeed. No sensible person is affected by these retarded movements.
THANK YOU!!! This chick is a stay at home chick. MOST people in the real world aren't even aware of MGTOW or Feminism lol.
I don't really care. This gender war is only between people who can't get sex anyway. I think they should all just give each other a hug and move on together or something.
Can't get sex? I didn't have a proper relationship doesn't MEAN i can't get sex, I choose not to!
Can't get sex? Not having a proper relationship doesn't MEAN i can't get sex, I choose not to!
You are so stupid lol
@Lonewolf881 Whatever you say, princess! ;)
No I was referring to the person who commented this. Not you. You were right.
@Lonewolf881 Oh ok, my bad then!
Well it's true. It's always guys nobody wants who sit around bitching about women, and always women nobody wants who sit around saying men ain't shit. Either nobody wants them, or nobody ever wants them for anything beyond sex or money.
I don't want to ever get married to a western whore and I feel sorry for any married man who's in the process of losing everything! All women are fucking whores!
The last part of what you said, all women want money! Women wouldn't marry labourers, they wants men who make more than 50k a year! Women don't want nothing else from men but money! I tell you 99.9% of women are gold-digging whores including you! That's why Donald Trump is with a young Russian model named Melania Trump. If Donald wasn't rich, she wouldn't be with him!
@Yoloxt23 ok, good for you. One question, how painful is your loneliness?
yes, that must be it... LMAO
Amon, my life is amazing; solitude is the best thing I've ever had. Fuck women, money > pussy
Anon*
@Yoloxt23 sure. Says every lonely guy who genuinely thinks porn is a substitute for real sex.
I've got money, money is actually much more better and easier to handle than boning a whore!
@Yoloxt23 haha, ok. How many rejections did it take for you to say that?
I've never gotten rejected, I was just tired of constant Misandry from college whores!
@Yoloxt23 k... I believe you.
when I read stuff like that I'm actually glad I'm alone
Now that women are in the workforce there's less incentive for them to get/stay married. Rich women in particular never get married.
By the way gender equality is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard of. Its all at the expense of women.
Women will never go WGTOW because they need us and we don't need them. Think about it, throughout civilization we invented everything, they didn't do shit. All men want from women is sex but they want love and attention from us. So it ain't gonna happen
Women are inventing things today all the time. What are you inventing? You also can't carry on the species without women giving birth and raising kids. You just sound like a bitter fool. Enjoy your hand.
Wrong. Men and women will always need each other in some way. In case you haven't noticed, humans are incapable of parthenogenesis or asexual reproduction. Men and women contribute not only to the survival of mankind, but its progress, and evolution. We help each other, we care about each other. If that's not human, then I do not know what humanity is.
Might as well make a few bucks off this. Sell masturbation merchandise! lol
I think all this is bull shit. Why can't men and women just get along?
Because feminism has painted men as evil and as the enemy for so long its become truth, at least in the eyes of soceity. Men are at a disadvantage in all areas of life yet feminism has ensured men are not only ignored but ridiculed and exploited as well. So MGTOW is men essentially refusing to play the game, they generally swear off women, or at least marriage (because it only benefits women and hurts men). It takes a lot to make a man reject a women and unfortunatley we are reaching the breaking point. The only way we can fix this is by renouncing feminism by acknowledging male suffering and start respecting men instead of exploiting them. And yes not all women of course do this but its enough that even the law favors women in almost all respects.
@hellionthesagereborn well I have a grown son. So can see your point.
Thats the first step to fixing the problem, acknowledging that their is a problem.
@hellionthesagereborn I also have a daughter so I see both sides.
I see statistics and unfortunatley propaganda. When we have laws that allow women to abuse their spouse (Violence against women act) with out any negative repercussions all despite the fact that men are actually far more likely to be victims of domestic violence at the hands of women then women are (according to the CDC NCVS and various third party researchers). Yet of course their is on shelters or any help for them and we as a society refuse to acknowledge this happening. When we claim that poverty is a women's issue yet over 70% of the homeless are male or the fact that 75% of all suicides are male, or 98% of all workplace accidents/deaths are male (which wasn't even acknowledged until that 2% of women started getting injured) or the fact that legally a woman can abort abandon or give a mans child up for adoption without his knowledge or consent, its pretty brutal. legally a woman can sue her underage rape victim for child support and win. Its a screwed up situation.
@hellionthesagereborn how does that act have anything to do with feminism? They can't just sign in a law. People have to vote on it. 😔
I meant -_-
@bubbletrouble Because feminism is in schools and teaches men that their evil and women that their victims this gets into the society and culture at large. Like for instance the claim that women couldn't vote every one knows that because that's what is taught in schools. What they don't teach is that men couldn't either. Men only got that right 67 years before women and that was only because they where conscripted into fire, police, and military service. In fact to this day if a man wants the right to vote he has to sign a selective service card (as well as to be able to have a license get state and federal loans) women on the other hand can do all of this for free yet we don't talk about this. So feminist teach a one sided view of history and society then they lobby for laws like how NOW (National organization for women) actively lobbied (successfully) our laws that essentialy give women custody of children over men. This is feminism.
@bubbletrouble The fact is most women have been conditioned to believe that women are victims and that they need feminism so going against feminism is to lose half the voting population, most men are conditioned to think this way as well because if you don't agree with feminism then you hate women and that is something so taboo in our society (ironic since the very fact that this tactic works shows that the claim is false) so in order to not be viewed as misogynistic they have to go along with what ever feminist demand. That's why feminist keep claiming that women don't have reproductive rights despite the fact that they have all reproductive rights and men have absolutely no reproductive rights (quite literally, thanks to the court ruling of hermsmann vs seyer even a male child who is raped has to pay child support to his rapist) it doesn't matter if it doesn't make sense feminist have that much power and authority so people have to go along with it or be ostricisied.
@hellionthesagereborn you have it all wrong dude, it;s not feminism, it's because most girls like the loud obnoxious jerk types which means the rest of us can go their own way cuz nobody is interested
@busterhimen Who told women that they should be allowed to do as they want? Feminism, who told men to act less masculine because thats what women "really" want (which they do not)? Feminism. Originally a good guy was not frowned upon because women knew that their actions had consequences and that indulging in any and all impulses would be devastating to them but with feminism, its ensured that their are no consequences, if a woman goes and has sex with that "loud and obnoxious" guy who will up and leave her at the drop of a hat, she is just "sexually liberated" its not poor judgment its "experimentation" or "sexual exploration" if she gets pregnant from that guy its okay because the law will force him to pay child support or she can sucker a man into taking care of her who all his life was told to be a "nice guy" and except her irregardless of her behavior thus ensuring she never once has to actually deal with the consequences of her actions.
@hellionthesagereborn The problem is that MGTOW treats the symptom, not the disease. If you
feel something is unfair, you challenge it, then fight. Then profit.
@Arkanu I very much agree, I am not MGTOW, I do not agree with it but I do understand it and I don't blame them for their response. I think however that it does hurt their own cause as basically they are discouraging interaction with all types of women instead of just the wrong types of women. They are not rewarding the good behavior of good women but rather cutting out all women so that the women who do bad things have no incentive to stop and the good women have no reason to be good because it won't get them anywhere because good men have stopped interacting with women all together. Though again, I understand their stance, I mean when an entire group of men walk away while stating that the system and women are against them and the response from women and the system is ridicule and insults, it kind of proves their argument. So I am against it but I do understand it and I don't blame them for their responses.
The men will find whores to fuck or a no strings attached relationship and go that route; it would be more pleasurable but it would make the population shrink eventually.
Are you people f*cking crazy? What is the point of going tit for tat? That's not going to solve anything!
The gender war is horrible! MGTOW is just an inevitable response to Feminism. At least MGTOW just want to left alone to bitch and moan, Feminists want to fuck with everything.
Just admire human stupidity, on day they'll decide to kill each other and that will both reduce the population of dumb psychos and the overpopulation... No, seriously both genders are fucked up, humans are fucked up nowadays...
MGTOW is full of the kinds of guys women don't really want anyway. WGTOW would probably be the same. Nobody would really care.
It won't happen. In the end 99.9% of us want a relationship.
ALL would never happen... most maybe... but I can't even see that happening. It would help to kill off a huge part of the population though which would be good for the environment...
Nobody gives a flying f-ck about you, honey. Work and pay taxes till your bones turn to dust.
And when you are crying into your wine glass at 40 years old remember this: You asked for it.
Doesn't matter. The whole m/wgtow movement is for ugly people who are just sour they can't get any, while (rightly) not wanting to resort to homosexuality.
You don't resort to Homosexuality, it's a sexuality of a person that's determined by their preferences, just like you might like big or small boobs, or long or short hair, they simply like men/women, and certain aspects of men/women is what they want, it's just attraction, like magnets, loads of different types, all do the same thing, attract to one another, regardless of shape.
@VictoriousSausage Incorrect. There are only 2 forms of gayness: as a last resort for not being able to get with the opposite sex due to ugliness or inability, and as a legitimate mental health issue. Normal people would never be attracted to the same sex in normal circumstances.
Moron. Most gay men are more attractive than straight men. George Michael for example. Gay people are genetically predisposed to be gay and then socialized through early life experiences to identify with their own gender for love and understanding. Stop being an asshole.
Unfortunately i have to disagree, as a man whose spoken to countless people about sexuality and struggled with it himself, i have to say that everyone experiences a period in their life where they have to determine their identity, it's about who you're attracted to, who you love, who drives your feelings and emotions, it's not just about sex, it's about, more so in fact, love. you may consider that wrong, you may feel disturbed by it, and there's nothing wrong with that, but expressing that and using it as a tool to throw hatred at people who've done nothing wrong to you, that's wrong.