It's only in America or the English speaking world though - there's something funny happening with you guys, the whole competitive bullying, which affects females more drastically than males. That being said, your definition of what is expected is just as applicable to and just as unattainable for guys.
This triple bind exist nowadays. But the point is: Who is guilty for it? In my opinion the feminism is enslaving the persons he claimed to free. This happened so far to every humanist ideology like - the workers in socialism and - the merchandisers in the capitalism - the germans in fascism.
The solution is the christian society along to the bible without the catholic and without the calvinist variation.
Don't drink the Kool-aid. Women are far less oppressed in the U. S. than ever before. And the same goes for minorities. Equality has never been better for all and yet there is a huge push for conflict and chaos. It's disgusting.
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That's self induced cultured and manicured , manipulated psychological vitimhood. Liberation isn't a club or gang or commune of others that set great examples , as much as it is a (suppriority) of the other. Great women on the other hand , with persistence , use kindness and wisdom. Of course , those who want superiority won't like my opinion... those who feel the victim and persist on remedies of feminism will hate it as well...
It's not oppression. Both men and women are sometimes expected in movies to be like the social constructs we have built. And some of these stereotypes can be true in the real world, while others don't make any sense. It's important that we accept that the two genders are biologically different and what their biologically quality is.
But ALWAYS remember that men get put into these stereotypes very often. Not only women.
It's sad when people let other people dictate what they do and say. Individuality has gone out the window. And the ones that do maintain individuality are outted by society for not conforming to today's trends.
Or you could just not give a fuck what simpletons think and hang around rational people.
I have plenty of expectations placed upon me but you don't see me complaining.
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You’re wrong. Women don’t have to be everything. They can be what they want to be. Which is what feminism wants. I could list a bunch of bullshit expectations of men. The thing is, is that they aren’t really expectations. You can’t be good at everything
Interestin take, and points.. But I don't feel like women absolutely need to do any of this really.. Even if there is pressure.. You can always overcome it really..
And the Churches' fault for redoubling on traditional roles as being the only virtuous roles. And the faults of those who have kept wage growth stagnant for 30 years so families can no longer afford to be one income any longer. (In the US anyway.)
@jacquesvol Oh really? Show me one examples of husband putting these expectations on women. I'll wait.
As far as I'm concerned, I see feminists telling women they can "have it all", they can take all the responsibilities of having a career, maintaining a home, and building a family. I see women encouraging other women to be aggressive, dominant, masculine, competitive, and to climb the ladder in the workforce. I don't see "HUsbands" doing that.
Plus, men have been under the same expectations from employers since forever. You ask to be let in the workforce and then you complain? If they can't handle equal expectations tell the complaining bitches to go back to the kitchen!
I couldn't care less for the 5-6 families you see this in. Show me wide scale evidence of this expectation being held to the point where you can generalize that "HUsbands" are imposing this on their vulnerable wives.
Girls have been educated in fifties tradition for a long time after the fifties ended, thus they accept that kind of demands for a long time (and many still do)
What? You make no damn sense. First, we're not in the fifties anymore so how does what was taught then in the fifties affect us who are here today?
Second, if that's the case, what are these "fifties" standards that we still have? Women don't take their husbands name anymore, it's misogynist. Women don't cook or clean anymore, it's misogynist. They don't put out when the husband asks, it's misogynist. Women aren't nurturing to their man anymore, it's misogynist. Women work now, they don't stay at home anymore, it's misogynist. Women aren't submissive anymore, it's misogynist.
Please name me one thing that is expected of women by their husbands, seen in the fifties, that feminism hasn't put an end to or radicalized (women wanting it themselves doesn't not equal "imposed by men").
Girls'education in fifties tradition lingers on in many minds. All howling against feminism during the 2016 campaign is proof of it: it worked well for Trump.
sorry but this 100% bullshit, I believe you if you where from the middle east, somewhere in Africa or any other third world country. but this is not what your profile says.
I swear this mytake is one of the most interesting one I've read so far
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Society expects from men far more things than from women. Women nowadays are more privileged than anybody ever was in history if mankind. Shut your dumb feminist ass up, please, retarded posts like this just annoy normal people
If that were true, which it is most certainly not, why is it that women are paid less than men still? Not some, all. In Holland, if a woman worked for 365 days of the year, from about November onwards she would be working for free whereas a man would still be paid. Why is it that when a woman is walking home she has to carry her keys as a weapon because that's how she feels safe, and that she has to go out in a group because that is less scary than going out alone? Why is it that when a woman rejects a man it is more socially acceptable for her to say she has a boyfriend than I am not interested in you? Society expects things from men yes that is true. Men are expected to not talk about their emotions or feelings, men are expected to be successful breadwinners, men are expected to be able to provide. In comparison though, women are oppressed socially, economically, and globally. The reason you probably think that is because you really have no idea about the struggles women go through.
@WeiRdfiSh1 first of all, almost nowhere in the world anymore are women paid less for the same job. The thing is, on some jobs they achieve less, so of course they will get paid less. As for weapons, I dont know where you live, but except rape, the majority of every other violent crime victims are men, and men are far more endangered in that sense, but society jus doesn't give a fuck, because we dont have our version of feminism. Even if we ignore the obvious discrimination against men, how its ok to hit us, false accuse us of rape, how in some EU countries you can go to jail for just approaching a girl etc. the thing is men are expected to be soldiers. We are the only thing standing between women and children, and all the evils out there. We can never be afraid of anything. Plus we are also expected to look good. And be successful (which is an optional thing for women, for men its a must). I am running out if characters here, but the point is women have it better than anybody nowadays
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It's only in America or the English speaking world though - there's something funny happening with you guys, the whole competitive bullying, which affects females more drastically than males. That being said, your definition of what is expected is just as applicable to and just as unattainable for guys.
This triple bind exist nowadays. But the point is: Who is guilty for it?
In my opinion the feminism is enslaving the persons he claimed to free. This happened so far to every humanist ideology like
- the workers in socialism and
- the merchandisers in the capitalism
- the germans in fascism.
The solution is the christian society along to the bible without the catholic and without the calvinist variation.
Don't drink the Kool-aid. Women are far less oppressed in the U. S. than ever before. And the same goes for minorities. Equality has never been better for all and yet there is a huge push for conflict and chaos. It's disgusting.
That's self induced cultured and manicured , manipulated psychological vitimhood. Liberation isn't a club or gang or commune of others that set great examples , as much as it is a (suppriority) of the other. Great women on the other hand , with persistence , use kindness and wisdom. Of course , those who want superiority won't like my opinion... those who feel the victim and persist on remedies of feminism will hate it as well...
It's not oppression. Both men and women are sometimes expected in movies to be like the social constructs we have built. And some of these stereotypes can be true in the real world, while others don't make any sense. It's important that we accept that the two genders are biologically different and what their biologically quality is.
But ALWAYS remember that men get put into these stereotypes very often. Not only women.
It's sad when people let other people dictate what they do and say. Individuality has gone out the window. And the ones that do maintain individuality are outted by society for not conforming to today's trends.
Or you could just not give a fuck what simpletons think and hang around rational people.
I have plenty of expectations placed upon me but you don't see me complaining.
You’re wrong. Women don’t have to be everything. They can be what they want to be. Which is what feminism wants. I could list a bunch of bullshit expectations of men. The thing is, is that they aren’t really expectations. You can’t be good at everything
Interestin take, and points.. But I don't feel like women absolutely need to do any of this really.. Even if there is pressure.. You can always overcome it really..
It may be true that women are now more oppressed in these ways, but if it is true, then only women are to blame.
The majority of women don't care about any of that because they live their own lives and make their own decisions.
Indeed, society expects more from women than in the fifties
And who's fault is that?
@ovoxo_ HUsbands and employers
And the Churches' fault for redoubling on traditional roles as being the only virtuous roles. And the faults of those who have kept wage growth stagnant for 30 years so families can no longer afford to be one income any longer. (In the US anyway.)
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@jacquesvol Oh really? Show me one examples of husband putting these expectations on women. I'll wait.
As far as I'm concerned, I see feminists telling women they can "have it all", they can take all the responsibilities of having a career, maintaining a home, and building a family. I see women encouraging other women to be aggressive, dominant, masculine, competitive, and to climb the ladder in the workforce. I don't see "HUsbands" doing that.
Plus, men have been under the same expectations from employers since forever. You ask to be let in the workforce and then you complain? If they can't handle equal expectations tell the complaining bitches to go back to the kitchen!
@ovoxo_ I met several families where the husband expected a perfect house , perfect kids and warm meals daily despite the wife having a fulltime job.
I couldn't care less for the 5-6 families you see this in. Show me wide scale evidence of this expectation being held to the point where you can generalize that "HUsbands" are imposing this on their vulnerable wives.
Girls have been educated in fifties tradition for a long time after the fifties ended, thus they accept that kind of demands for a long time (and many still do)
What? You make no damn sense. First, we're not in the fifties anymore so how does what was taught then in the fifties affect us who are here today?
Second, if that's the case, what are these "fifties" standards that we still have? Women don't take their husbands name anymore, it's misogynist. Women don't cook or clean anymore, it's misogynist. They don't put out when the husband asks, it's misogynist. Women aren't nurturing to their man anymore, it's misogynist. Women work now, they don't stay at home anymore, it's misogynist. Women aren't submissive anymore, it's misogynist.
Please name me one thing that is expected of women by their husbands, seen in the fifties, that feminism hasn't put an end to or radicalized (women wanting it themselves doesn't not equal "imposed by men").
Girls'education in fifties tradition lingers on in many minds. All howling against feminism during the 2016 campaign is proof of it: it worked well for Trump.
What? LOL. Are you going to give me an example or not?
@ovoxo_ Are you daft?
LMFAO! Really? MORE oppressed than ever before? Seriously?
I know right smh
@ManaX Good to hear I'm not the only one who thinks things are getting kinda nuts out there!
sorry but this 100% bullshit, I believe you if you where from the middle east, somewhere in Africa or any other third world country. but this is not what your profile says.
I think this applies only to a small subset of women who are professionals, and obviously not even all of them.
As long as we are still talking about what women can or should do, we are far from being equal.
woman are getting up everyday and i hope one day the conflict will be gone
I swear this mytake is one of the most interesting one I've read so far
Society expects from men far more things than from women. Women nowadays are more privileged than anybody ever was in history if mankind. Shut your dumb feminist ass up, please, retarded posts like this just annoy normal people
If that were true, which it is most certainly not, why is it that women are paid less than men still? Not some, all. In Holland, if a woman worked for 365 days of the year, from about November onwards she would be working for free whereas a man would still be paid. Why is it that when a woman is walking home she has to carry her keys as a weapon because that's how she feels safe, and that she has to go out in a group because that is less scary than going out alone? Why is it that when a woman rejects a man it is more socially acceptable for her to say she has a boyfriend than I am not interested in you? Society expects things from men yes that is true. Men are expected to not talk about their emotions or feelings, men are expected to be successful breadwinners, men are expected to be able to provide. In comparison though, women are oppressed socially, economically, and globally. The reason you probably think that is because you really have no idea about the struggles women go through.
@WeiRdfiSh1 first of all, almost nowhere in the world anymore are women paid less for the same job. The thing is, on some jobs they achieve less, so of course they will get paid less. As for weapons, I dont know where you live, but except rape, the majority of every other violent crime victims are men, and men are far more endangered in that sense, but society jus doesn't give a fuck, because we dont have our version of feminism. Even if we ignore the obvious discrimination against men, how its ok to hit us, false accuse us of rape, how in some EU countries you can go to jail for just approaching a girl etc. the thing is men are expected to be soldiers. We are the only thing standing between women and children, and all the evils out there. We can never be afraid of anything. Plus we are also expected to look good. And be successful (which is an optional thing for women, for men its a must). I am running out if characters here, but the point is women have it better than anybody nowadays
I don't know, I think women are more privileged than men these days.