If Pro Choice People Are Feeling Unheard Right Now, Here’s 10 Changes To The Argument To Be Understood In A Time When Abortion Is Under Attack (Page 2)
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What a sadistic post.
How about 'No'?
Why should anyone listen to a right winger about abortion rights?
You don't get to control the other sides argument just like you don't get to control another's uterus.
Support for legal abortion is massive. It's going to swing a generation of voters against the myopic primitive regressive GOP. Trying to convince the pro choice movement to change a winning strategy is inane.
That's like me trying to tell a pro gun nut, "Look, just admit you love guns more than kids and seeing schoolkids get shot kind of excites you. It will help you win your argument."
Ridiculous.
To what “winning strategy” do you refer? Overturning Roe v Wade? Laws criminalizing crossing state lines to get an abortion? Outlawing abortion pills?
All of the above happened because of the hateful rhetoric of the pro-choice movement. Why would anyone listen to nasty comments like those above?
“Winning strategy”? Like overturning Roe? Like criminalizing the crossing of state borders for an abortion? Like outlawing abortion drugs?
As long as pro-choice folks use nasty and decisive language like yours, turning off reasonable people, the pro-life movement will continue making gains. So good job!
Look, just admit you love abortions more than kids and seeing babies get killed kind of excites you.
@Valkyria That's as stupid an argument as OPs. You're making my point for me.
If you want to convince someone to change their mind, first know what they think and believe, then have a good argument.
I was literally copying them.
How about you stop controlling the baby? And people seem to be dumb, or is birth control literally called control? And how can one "control" someone's natural development, by... leaving them be? That's not controlling lol. Controlling is intervention. Interventions involve literally by force, killing the growing foetus. If you let the woman be, you ain't controlling her. She's controlling herself by consenting to usually unsafe sex. To still say it's "controlling" her to just live and let live is just egotistical at best. She's controlling the literal life of another. Pro-lifers are controlling nobody. You can't get any more ironic than that.
That's a good chunk of the topic addressed. It doesn't mention bigamy problems that abortion pills usually hide, nor hysteria of abortionism in general, but it's a start.
USA has an obsession with Royals. I think royals are not allowed neither cheatery nor abortions (which is why people obsess about them).
Incest and daddy's princess getting pregnant from her daddy and 'just' taking the pill is another aspect. Abortions brought communism down, they'll bring any system of governance down by their nature.
I think the issue with weather your killing a living thing or not. I honestly l think the woman and any applicable people like her doctor, the man who slept with her. Only those people should be involved. Killing a living thing can be seen as murder. If it’s better for woman/child due to some issue that would cause the child to suffer later or the woman might be a risk. then it should be justified. Like euthanasia, the patient is suffereing. Now if you get knocked up at 16 and can't afford a baby well that’s harder. Foster system isn’t the best and being low income will make life has well.
Ask yourself: why are poor and homeless people not dead yet? And that's your answer. I can't believe it's become such a psychotic take where people actually believe it's better to kill all of these poor or disabled people. Seriously, talk about violent f'ing individuals with a sheer lack of empathy. They don't feel sorry for those people, they feel sorry for themselves and their egos.
Honestly Im somewhat pro-choice but I also believe abortion isn’t a constitutional right. A constitutional right should be for everyone not just a specific group! “Period” but I do believe that someone shouldn’t have to have a baby especially if they were raped but if you make rape victims the only people that can have abortions then your gonna get a lot of false rape accusations.
Personally I don’t believe everyone should have the right to have kids. I believe that you have to prove that you are eligible to have children because all the smart people are not having kids and all the stupid people are! The last thing we need is shitty people breeding more shitty people!
Unheard? The public hears and understand. It's mostly Republican politicians and their radical base that does. Choice has won every election since Dobbs. Choice won in Kansas. Choice won in Wisconsin. Choice won in Ohio. Everywhere the people get to choose, they have voted for choice.
Maybe surprising, but I agree with almost all of that. I remain fully in support of legal abortion but I recognize the validity of the other side. I just compare in my mind a world where abortion is legal with one where its not, and the former seems a much better place to me
@JessicaEarl Just what would be a 'productive level" that would bring America back together? I would like that too, but not by telling others what we should do and what we should think, about such a hot topic as 'abortion' or lack of it. You and I both know this will not happen, and this kind of 'rhetoric' only pours more gasoline on a raging fire topic.
Abortion is not a matter that is covered by the Constitution thus it is left to the individual states by default. That is all that the latest Supreme Court ruling has done; reverted it back to the individual states. Also, allowing it even up to and even after birth should never be justified. If a woman really desires an abortion (except for her health or the health of the baby) she should know and be able to get it by 13 weeks.
What does "feeling unheard" mean when your ideals are echoed by the entire culture at large. Is the president repeating your talking points STILL not enough? The billboards, the online ads the fortune 500 company endorsements, the out of place obvious social engineering posts like this, not enough?
THANK YOU FOR 1 AND 4!!!
As a man who is pro choice, it is infuriating to be left out and forgotten about when it comes to this. It’s not a “women’s issue” it’s right v wrong! I so greatly appreciate the fact that you brought up women who are pro life because they also exist and seeing them not be mentioned by literally anyone, but then having all men be labeled pro life as default legitimately makes me sick. Finally I feel included and validated
You lost me at point one. I did read the rest it was as pathetic as the first point, this is a womens issue if a woman doesn’t agree that she’s more than an incubator I feel sorry for her not take her seriously😅Men certainly doesn’t get a say
Exactly. I lost braincells.
What a blood thirsty little tyrant.
@anon1903
That’s unfortunate. You didn’t have many to start and your self centered, hedonistic views on this subject show you didn’t.
World revolves around you right baby cakes?
You don’t have to be responsible nor any woman for poor choices right?
Yeah go ahead and bring up rape so I can tell you that is like 3% of abortions.
@Exterminatore it's high time women start being selfish with their choices. The only reason men fancy the traditional wives because they were taught to give, give and give.
@Exterminatore it's a pretty dumb take, starting off with "it's not a woman's issue because hey some women out there are antifeminist and they hate us so yeah lol"
Western women are the most selfish creatures in the world. Of course you’re selfish by nature and don’t like being called so, so you want to bring the rest of women into it so you don’t have to stand alone in that indictment.
Abortion isn’t a woman’s issues. It’s a murder issue. That baby inside that is getting carved up is the issue.
Women are God now. They can choose who lives and dies. They don’t ever have to be accountable for getting pregnant. They know how babies are made and have the gaul to call it an “accident” instead of it being a lack of responsibility which is what it is.
@Exterminatore we're the creators, so technically yeah.
Indian women can learn a thing or two from them. Here women won't even breath without their husband's permission first.
If independence if god complex, well I guess I admire Western women.
@anon1903
So you create babies all on your own? Spontaneously? Or does this require sperm from a male?
How does that make this a woman’s rights issue? What about the rights of the baby that grows within?
Oh I know. We should just overlook that right? So women can just let any turd stick it in and impregnate them and then just kill it right? Kill it because the responsibility will be too great. All as if it just happens without any choice on the woman’s part.
Make your choices before you get pregnant.
Western women are no roll models, nor are western men on the whole. Our society is sick. Apparently no one knows what gender they are anymore. We’re on the brink of world war 3 and these fools are worried about who uses what bathroom. I think you just support female power and privilege, rather that appropriate and virtuous conduct.
@Exterminatore babies are useless, so I don't think the man's contribution is that valuable.
@Exterminatore it's not a miracle if there's 8 billion of us haha
@Exterminatore a person who isn't out doesn't have any rights.
@Exterminatore did I ask if western women could be role models to me? I believe I didn't.
@Exterminatore I'll make my choices. I'll bulk up on the protection, condom plus pills. But if I still get pregnant, well then, abortion will be my go-to.
@Exterminatore take your morality elsewhere.
Man are you ever cold hearted. Babies are useless. Wow. Can you be any more self centered.
What I find concerning is I’ve told you multiple times now you’re self centered. You haven’t denied it once.
You’re just over there all “yep, I care about me and me only and the world revolves around me and what I want.” Doesn’t even bother you that you’re a self serving person who just said babies are worthless.
Just so you’re aware your life means very little to me also.
I’ll leave you with a quote:
“He who only lives to benefit himself confers on the world a favor when he dies” - Tertullian
@Exterminatore I love quotes. I'd like more, if possible.
@Exterminatore why would my life mean anything to you?
@Exterminatore unlike other pro choice peeps, I don't pretend to care when I know I don't.
How about this one:
“Anon1903 is self absorbed and has a wicked heart” - Exterminatore
@Exterminatore I'll take that and thank you.
You may be self centered but at least you’re not a liar and don’t deny the truth, so I’ll give credit where credit is due.
@imawfulatusernames Good to read your reply... Good for you, stay the course
@Exterminatore you forgot the cute and intriguing part lol
@Exterminatore To ignore that you clearly don’t care about life or you wouldn’t ask women to risk theirs needlessly. There’s nothing selfish in expecting to have bodily autonomy, you’re asking women to accept they’d have more rights as a corpse than as a living person.
The point is, everyone has a different moral compass. Let's not force people to change theirs.
@Kaneki05 hehe
@ImAwful
Your rights end when they wrongfully interfere with others. This isn’t about your bodily autonomy it’s about the babies.
@anon1903 I reported "Exterminator' for his insulting, comments, and hope they delete it. No reason for that kind of rhetoric. "You didn't have many to start with and your self centered, hedonistic view on this subject show you didn't"
When you get thoughtless, and really ignorant insults like that, '"REPORT" it. No need for that kind of BS.
@anon1903 Anyone, anything, can make an 'offspring' nothing miraculous about that.. I agree.
@Bricealan thank you.
@Bricealan
Wow! You’re a real hero!
@Exterminatore not all heroes wear capes.
@Exterminatore Wow. Thanks ! We need more people like you. No, you're the real hero for all women!
@Bricealan no, for the babies. He's the real firefighter!
@anon1903 Exactly !!!
@Brice
What exactly is your problem? What? You don’t like that I had harsh words that are well deserved for your girlfriend? Maybe she’s not your girlfriend and you’re trying to get laid. I don't know, and Idc.
I’m not interested in being a hero for women. Looks like you got that covered all by yourself. If you don’t like me or my comments, fine. Don’t talk to me and don’t read them. Problem solved.
You cannot speak for all men saying it is unfair that they can't get a say because women not being able to vote can also be detrimental for men not ready to become a father. So if the pregnancy is accidental, since when did the man made a commitment to have children? Most of the time they don't when accidental pregnancy happens
@Exterminatore a small agreement doesn't have to mean he has ulterior motives. If you really want to insult him, think better.
Abortion is not a women's issue; it's an ideological issue. There are actually more women than men who oppose abortion.
https://www.vox.com/2019/5/20/18629644/abortion-gender-gap-public-opinion
It is people's bodies they have the right to choose what they want to do with the child. those who are against abortion by all means stick to that but don't try to impose that thoughts on others.
Pro choice I am
You do realize that the fact that not all women support it doesn't change ghe fact that it's a women's issue.
Do men get a say in abortion or financial abortion? No? Then it is a women's issue.
Though I'm still pro-choice.
Abortion is murder. The vast, vast majority of abortions performed today are elective and have nothing to do with rape or incest.
They always love a good gaslighting goalpost, though. For them to not use one is an achievement. It's also very much black-and-white thinking.
If that's the case that i can also say that pro-lifes are sadists enjoying the parents and children suffer
@Aiko_E_Lara Twisted anti-natalist ideology. You're projecting your ugliness and self-hatred onto everybody else.
Then i can say the same thing about you being pro-life. You see how you like to consider it murder but you don't like to consider yourself a sadist. It's hypocritical if you think about it
And if we are talking about antinatalism here, we're talking about fetus not children. How about you learn the difference?
@Aiko_E_Lara I'm a sadist because I don't want babies to be murdered. Where do you sick freaks come up with this nonsense?
It doesn't take a genius and since when are we talking about babies? We are talking about fetus. You are trying projecting your own belief to others just to give yourself an advantage and to justify your belief saying it is "murder". Then guess what, you kill millions for masturbating then so that means you're a mass murder. But you don't think so? Because trying to say i'm a sadist for supporting abortion would also be your case for killing millions of children. Oh i know you're just going to say a sperm and a fetus are different, but it's not different if i say a fetus and a human are different.
@Aiko_E_Lara Retake basic biology. A sperm doesn't have a complete human chromosome and a fetus does. That's the most tired ignorant attempt at a comparison ever. It's amazing how you losers will twist yourselves into knots trying to justify murder.
And what does chromosomes have to do with it? Sure no one is saying that those aren't facts but how you use those to qualify a fetus being similar to human beings are not fact. If you're so expert at biology yourself, how come you're ignoring the fact that there are also indeed difference between a fetus and a born baby? Such as a fetus is don't have a reputation, it's not out of the womb, it doesn't cry, breath or say anything like a human do. And what else is a fact is that a fetus is not born while a human is born. So there for I can use those biological facts to back up my claims as well. So you say you're not ignorant? Why only focus on one side of what biology has to say? Maybe you just like to cherry pick on things to give yourself an excuse to be a sadist.
So if you're not a loser, how come you're so ignorant about that?
@Aiko_E_Lara That's a big long paragraph of cope to try to make up for your ignorance. You baby killers are the most ignorant despicable people alive.
Why? Is a paragraph that "long" too much for your small brain to handle? You still haven't answered me about how you're so ignorant about the other things mentioned. Or perhaps you just choose to be ignorant about the other side of the story just to give yourself an excuse to be a sadist?
@Aiko_E_Lara You don't even understand the difference between a sperm and a fetus. Don't @ me again until your IQ is triple digits.
It's ironic that you don't even understand the difference between a fetus and a human. What's with the big hypocrisy?
Abortion is murder.
When a woman chooses to murder her own baby in the womb, that tells me everything that I need to know about the character of that woman.
I love how they say it's trying to control women's bodies, never mind the body of the unborn child in that conversation apparently.
@JessicaEarl Even though I am completely against abortion, I found your post refrteshingly sane and on point.
Well would you look at that. Someone likes feeling heard
That too is quite nice. Thanks!
I’m glad abortion is under attack. I’ve got no love for baby killers and promoters of infanticide.
AS IF infanticide is a woman’s right.
I would hardly call killing a zygote that cannot feel pain and has never had a single thought "infanticide."
Understandable. I still don’t have an opinion on that matter, but I lean towards it being acceptable. Certainly not though when there are little arms and limbs and a heart beat. Most especially not if there is even a remote chance they will feel pain or experience anxiety or any type of unpleasant experience.
Well at that point what you look for is the brain stem. If there is no brain stem, there is no cognition whatsoever. It's a clump of cells that doesn't feel anything.
Oh please, we hear them we are just ignoring them, I am tired of them attacking us who are pro-choice as murderers but they want to act like victims of some conspiracy to not being heard. They are being heard we are just tired of them.