True or False: Most of American Holidays are Bullshit or Just Terrible?

[Anonymous]

I've come to the realization that a lot of the holidays we celebrate in America shouldn't be celebrated. Thanksgiving is about colonists and native americans teaming up to massacre another group of native americans. Christmas is all about profits. It has nothing to do at all about Jesus. Christmas originated from the roman holiday Saturnalia, which has nothing to do with Christ. In fact based on text from the bible researchers discovered that Jesus probably wasn't even born in the winter. Columbus day is about a white guy "discovering" already discovered land and murdering the people who already lived there. Halloween originated from a Celtic holiday. The people believed that during a certain time of the year ghosts and demons could walk the earth so they dressed up like them to trick them. Groundhogs day is complete bull. I don't feel like going into detail about Valentines day. But the point is most of American holidays are either about white people killing people or some other random reason. What do you all think?

Some American holidays are really horrible.

I love American holidays!

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I don't care.

[93stepsawayfromhome]

I agree.
=> Christmas: consumerist holiday, you can spend an entire year with your family, and there's no need for a national holiday that celebrates the superhero of one religion;
=> Thanksgiving: yay, let's celebrate ruining the culture of Native Americans by killing millions of innocent turkeys, because we're terrible human beings;
=> Columbus day: Columbus was a douchebag, he doesn't deserve a holiday;
=> Valentine's day: it's an absolute disgrace to need a day to celebrate love, you should do that all year, also very consumerist;
=> I could go on.

[Asker]

Finally, somebody sees my point!

[DodgersGM]

SOME of them are annoying, yes. Tae Colombus Day, for example, which has no business being celebrated in modern America.

Christmas carries meaningful weight with religious people as well as non-religious, though. It's not all about profit margins and the bottom line.

Thanksgiving is great because food and football. Also, lots of people actually reflect on their lives and give thanks. That's a powerful undertaking, I think.

[RebelOfNowhere]

What they mean for the media and as official holidays isn't so important. I like the holidays because for me, they mean time with family, time to relax and not go to class/work, and time to do things with my friends. Yes, many holidays are commercialized and people do buy into it... but it's their choice to do so. I am not christian, but I love Christmas because I get to be with my family.

[Minxxie]

Halloween isn't violent so it's the best one! lol Just people in goofy costumes trying to trick things that are no there and eating yummy things.
Speaking of Halloween I was Wednesday Addams and this reminded me of the scene where she burns down the set of the Thanksgiving play at camp as revenge for the aboriginals.
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[JoeCensored]

You're misrepresenting the meaning of the various holidays. Thanksgiving is about the meal the natives presented to the colonists that possibly saved their lives. Columbus day celebrates an event that shaped history and made the USA possible in the first place. Christmas isn't even an American holiday, it is a Christian one. Groundhog day isn't even a national holiday

[Asker]

Columbus day celebrates an event that made the USA possible, by mass murdering the people who were here way before he "discovered" it. The Thanksgiving feast actually wasn't a meal that the natives presented to the colonists. The wampanoag people and the colonists formed a treaty. To put in it's simplest terms they agreed to watch each others back. When the wampanoag wanted to attack another native tribe the colonists aided them and brought their guns. So anyways, after harvesting their crops the colonists decided to feast and went out to look for food. The natives heard guns firing and thought the colonists were in battle and in need of aid so they came to help. They arrived and found no battle. The colonists were just hunting. So everybody realized that there wasn't enough food for the colonists and natives so they went and hunted some more, brought back more food, and ate. The natives were just unexpected guests.

[JoeCensored]

@Asker Columbus never even landed "here" so murdered exactly zero people in the United States. You have your facts wrong on Thanksgiving.

[Asker]

He still murdered many people.

[JoeCensored]

@Asker the treaty you mention was a mutual defense pact made 7 months before the first Thanksgiving, and the war you mentioned was a defensive war, not offensive, and occurred 11 years after the first Thanksgiving. Neither had much to do with the actual holiday. Sorry

[JoeCensored]

@Asker The 1400's weren't a peaceful time.

[Asker]

I brought up the treaty to explain why the colonists and natives weren't killing each other. The point is, the feast wasn't set up to unite the natives and the colonists. The colonists were celebrating, the natives showed up, so they made room at the table for their uninvited guest.

[JoeCensored]

@Asker but that is not at all how you characterized it. You made it sound like some kind of sealing of a war pact.

[Asker]

The first Thanksgiving Day did occur in the year 1637, but it was nothing like our Thanksgiving today. On that day the Massachusetts Colony Governor, John Winthrop, proclaimed such a "Thanksgiving" to celebrate the safe return of a band of heavily armed hunters, all colonial volunteers. They had just returned from their journey to what is now Mystic, Connecticut where they massacred 700 Pequot Indians. Seven hundred Indians - men, women and children - all murdered.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/788436

[JoeCensored]

@Asker most sources place the first Thanksgiving in 1621. The treaty was that same year, and the war was in 1632. So if it was in 1637 it makes those other events even less relevant.

[JoeCensored]

@Asker sorry it is obvious you initially were just repeating what some no nothing libtard told you and are just now googling it for yourself cause you have no clue and are just linking whatever you find without any real knowledge or context. You should just give up now.

[Asker]

Actually I was initially just stating what I know from school, random books, articles and other stuff. I'll admit I wasn't 100% correct about Thanksgiving, but I do have a point. Some holidays just are bullshit.

[JoeCensored]

@Asker it's important to understand the context of history and not be too quick to apply contemporary morality to them. Columbus for example did kill many people and enslaved others, but at a time when these acts were commonplace and not at all extraordinary. Yes the continent was already discovered by those living there, but it changed history by introducing it to the rest of the world bringing the dawn of the age of discovery that had ripple effects across the globe and is responsible for the spread of western concepts of all kinds from religion to eventually equality of the sexes and races western countries promote today. Those ideas we spread today wouldn't have nearly the reach without the colonial history some people are so quick to point to as evil.

[Mistnigqa808]

I don't know & IDC about any American holiday that doesn't give us a free day out of school or work now sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/.../...-a-what-what-.png ?

[Mistnigqa808]

IMHO holidays are just another excuses for people to party/gather around each other lol,

I dont celebrate any of that crap... cuz like my daddy said "everyday that you're alive is a holiday" ^_^

[coconutelixir]

I don't agree with the origin of all major American holidays, but it seems like most of them aren't celebrated which such dedication to the origin... and I don't mind that. I look at the holiday as it is celebrated now, and I enjoy the festivities around them without thinking too much about it.

[Waffles731]

Do you not like spending time with friends and family

[Asker]

I love spending time with my family. But why do we use mass murder and random bullshit excuses to do it? Why can't we just have family dinners just because we want to and not because it's Christmas or whatever holiday?

[Waffles731]

well yes jesus was born in the spring, it doesn't change the fact that spending time with friends and family honors him.

[Asker]

But why can't we just spend time because we WANT to. Not because it's a holiday, but because we genuinely care about each other.

[Anonymous]

Christmas is beneficial economically, Valentines Day doesn't benefit anyone except card and candy companies, Halloween is fun with the costumes and moderate candy consumption, and Columbus Day shouldn't even be a holiday. I refuse to celebrate a horrible person who committed genocide against the indigenous peoples of America.

[Asker]

Halloween is one of the few holidays I actually can stand. It has kept some of it's roots, even though most people don't even know where it came from. Some people say it's the devil's birthday, which makes no sense. It's still bullshit because today we know that ghosts and demons don't walk the earth once a year just to get us, but it's not too bad.

[karahiri]

I like Thanksgiving... it's an excuse to make everyone sit down together at the table, which can be nice. The cultural significance isn't really brought up at all.

[justbanANNAz]

holidays should always be celebrated because they will always mean something to someone, and that should be respected.

[AlyssaSalcido12]

To each their own but whatever the history behind American holidays, there are some that will always be magical to me.

[front2back]

What's bad about celebrating white people killing people?
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[4465loveyou5577]

Fuck Columbus day and fuck (No) Thanksgiving, but

I NEED Christmas :D <3 <3 <3

[ThatBritishLad]

It's a day off, shut up and enjoy it. Do you think anyone gave half a rat's nutsack about the Royal Wedding?

[Maxemeister]

What's wrong with Valentines Day? U said u wouldn't go into detail, but I love that day.

[Asker]

Valentines day originated from the Roman holiday Lupercalia. Lupercalia wasn't about love, it was about fertility. Boys dressed in animal skins would slap people with strips of goat skin to bless them with the gift of fertility. Today it's all about profits. Valentines day is one of the most profitable times of the year for jewelry stores, chocolate companies, florists, and of course greeting card companies. What better way to show the person you love how much you love them than with a pre-written, mass produced, purchased card?

[Maxemeister]

For some people, that might be. But for others, that's a day that truly vitalizes some to search for love, and for their kin. Their search for happiness begins again.

[Asker]

But it's all based on lies, murder, and bullshit! Why can't we just love our families because we love our families and not because some holiday says so?

[Maxemeister]

Lies, murder and bullshit? What murder has inspired Valentine's Day?

[Asker]

I forgot to mention money. It's also about money.

[tscumeses]

dunno. who cares, day off work... right? and independence day, Dr. King Day, Labour Day, Veterans' Day are meaningless... unless you pomorte racism, or think trade unions are evil.

[apple24]

Some but who care! I don't have school and I can shop freely!

[jjfrancis]

that's my days off! don't talk about my only free time like that! how dare you o_o

[blue_sun]

I'll concede Columbus day, and we can argue about Thanksgiving, but the rest are fine.

[AleDeEurope]

And the verdict is... this question is crap!

[Phoenix98]

True or false this question is crap, True.

[Asker]

So why did you feel the need to comment if you're not going to add anything valuable to the discussion.

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[Phoenix98]

Because your post is ridiculous that's why and disrespectful, it's not how the holiday's were created that matters so much but how we celebrate them now, for what purpose and for what reasons each individual celebrates them or holds them dear. If we went by your mindset then just about every holiday on earth would be terrible and bullshit.

[Asker]

How is it ridiculous and disrespectful. I clearly just stated facts? All I did was state the origins of each holiday. If we're going to celebrate something why does it have to be murder, money, or bullshit. We celebrate these holidays and most people don't even know why we celebrate them. All this talk about Christmas is about Christ, is bullshit. Halloween is the devils birthday, is bullshit. Groundhogs day, total bullshit. Halloween, superstitious beliefs. Thanksgiving, murder. Columbus day, murder. I don't have a problem with holidays, but I think we should have better holidays. Let's celebrate the people who haven't committed murder. Let's have a holiday where giant corporations aren't just trying to make a profit.

[Phoenix98]

Actually no Halloween was much much more it was in reality a very, very brutal and horrible night and I don't celebrate it.

And as I said with your mindset almost every holiday on earth is bullshit and that's just a fact and it not only relates to holidays but everything, countries, products everything , my dear accept it or don't I don't care.

[COCOCHANEL]

just relax and enjoy... coca cola

[BelleGirl21]

Someone's panties are in a bunch...

[Anonymous]

Oh crap here we go again !

[Anonymous]

Whats wrong with Thanksgiving?