When you consider the amount of victims that can be laid at its door. For instance the Indian Holocaust which dwarfs what took place in Europe and thats only a fraction of the British Empires crimes which the British public like to remain ignorant of. https://listverse.com/2014/02/04/10-evil-crimes-of-the-british-empire/
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Lol so many British subjects trying to deny their countries History of Genocide that would shock even Hitler and trying to justify the British Empire by rewriting snd ignoring History
Soooooooo, i'll express my position without even going anonymous because let's just be honest : Basically i think the worst Empire is the one of White people, since the begining while some countries had a really strong cultural and religious convictions and were really cultivated on their own, white people went like, let's go "explore" the world lalalalalal~ oh it's pretty her let me rape your women, kill your children and steal everything...
a few moment later... Oups the world opinion is really a thing we need to leave but before let's just destroy everything and install an ambiance of totally not stable barbaric terrorist climate and give our people power in those places coz we want to come back later to suck their blood again and pretend we fight for justice ! and we obviously need to control peoples brain by using media manipulation etc... i could write a book on how much they're the worst but let's just stop here i feel like it's enough to get insulted in a few minutes ;)
@AleDeEurope i dunno what you called evolved for me evolved is when Chinese and Arabs where very advanced in medicine and astronomy... while in France people would pretend to be doctors and drink your piss to tell you if you're sick and believe that taking a bath was unhealthy and dangerous...
what i mean is al the problem that are happening today they didn't come from nowhere, there have been a lot of conflicts in the past and we tend to act like everything is ok in world countries relationships etc but it's not real
"the worst Empire is the one of White people" Anti white bigot exposed herself. Ever heard of Saladin? Genghis Khan? Ottoman Empire? Persian Empire? Egyptian Empire? I guess all these Empires were fighting the good cause since the roles of oppressor and oppressed are not in the right place. Especially that last comment of yours shows your ignorance hatred towards the European civilisation. You can go to some African country if you hate so much the evil white Empires. I'm, sure you'll love it.
Advanced is also a society that is in constant evolution, that invents/discovers new stuff (electricity, steam engine (which lead to the industrial revolution), ways of communication and traveling...), culture, and that has a strong army to defend itself.
Perhaps Europe wasn't the most advanced in medicine, but it was the most advanced as a society/societies, that's why the managed to control the whole world.
@TheFlak36 wow wow wow chill brother i am french and i love France, don't worry bout that i was just trying to be clear and not biased, i studied history too in France so i know don't get me wrong, it's just my opinion, that question will never get a real answer because you can't really say what is worst in human suffering etc so chill bro i don't hate white people i am french
@AleDeEurope yeah i did hear of them but there where already others before and after them... anyways hope nobody got me wrong i don't hate white people i am french tho and i was just trying to be clear honnest and not biased ^^'
Interesting, blaming Caucasian people because we are the most recent people to practice the same negative tactics practiced by people all over the world. Fact: every continent outside of Antarctica (for obvious reasons) has had an empire of indigenous people who practiced such terrible tactics as: slavery, genocide, war, rape, religious and cultural persecution, etc. Even the Native Americans have as checkered a past as white people (see the Aztecs and the Mayans and the Incas). Also, did you know that Caucasian people were sold as slaves by the Vikings to Arabic, Oriental, and African slavers during the European Dark Ages? Your lack of knowledge about history gives you this rose tinted view about everyone besides Caucasians, yet if you look beyond the shroud of the past, you can actually see the truth: people have the propensity to cause harm to others, regardless of color.
@Nice_Guy_Last you are right, actually i should have not be so rude on caucasians, i really don't hate them particulary it's just that as a french person i thought wow we did horrible things but yeah i agree with the fact that causing harm to others is a human thing and not dependent of race or color etc... well i didn't express myself the right way, that's why people got me wrong... so yeah sorrey~ and yeah i knew about all the things you talked about...
lol, i may be french but at least my blood is not... my original country is known to be a symbol of revolution and actually the total opposite of running away, we got our independance on our own u know :3
i like people because i don't care where you're from BUT i will NEVER forget my history and what happened to my grand parents etc... and i hate the fact that it wasn't recognised even now, french people, the same age as me, they dunno about what happened in Algeria, they even refuse to call it a war but just a conflict pff, (torture etc they never admited and it's still a tabou) therefore i will NOT accept what i learned in school because my people lived it and they tell me about it, even now they're a lot who never told about what happened clearly... i will let people know about how it REALLY happened when i have the opportunity to... yeah i talk about opportunity because people would generally refuse to talk about it :3
@Mártainn the last few hundred years (excluding napoleon) must have been a blip. As the British and German would tell you the lost all the battles and wars that mattered.
I agree that the late 19th and 20th century haven't been days of glory for the French military. If was rather a general statement about French military history.
thats better thing to say "until they losed their faith in religion" they were even treating people well in every places where they occupy, not like British people
@hereiam___ excatly they would encourage the construction of churches and protect the population and help them practise their religion so yeah better than the British ;)
The Roman empire is by far the most evil and the Greek basically Europe in general throughout human history is evil. The worst thing they have ever done is crucify jesus then turn around in one day after 300 years and claim to be christian but still live as paegans as they raped, invaded lands, raped childred, enslave people, slaughtered people and also create social structures like gender, race and eventually rule the world.
No there was definitely worse but I do think its bullshit for us British to ignore what the Empire really was and its crimes against humanity while criticising America.
Exactly take that guy @jacqusvol he blames America for all the worlds problems when in truth most of the worlds problems are in countries once ruled by the British. Coincidence I think not.
The UK. wasn't the most evil in history: it has too many competitors for that title. The US aren't the only ones to blame, U. K. politics too are and were terrible.
U. K. and American politics run very parallel (the Reagan-Tatcher and Bush-Blair teams). The U. K. also comes over as an American Trojan horse in the E. U. in my opinion. (Poland is another -more discreet- one)
@jacquesvol im talking about the Empire. Its in Americas intrest for the Collapse of the EU as the EU is major potential economic rival taken as a whole more so than china, Russia, India or South America.
@Righttobeararms83 Americas interest in a possible collapse of the EU is clear but EU politicians and medias adopt ostrich politics about that. The OPEC oil price hike, the fall of the Iron Curtain cost the E. U. a lot, so did the Yugoslav, the Iraq and the Libya war, so did the US banking crisis. Now it's the Syria war and it's refugee crisis. only someone naive, blind and dumb would think that the State dept and Wall Street didn't preview the effects of these on the E. U.
@jacquesvol well if think about how America became top dog after two world wars and emerging victorious over all enemies and rivals such as the British Empire, Germany, Italy and France to breaking the Russians economically in the cold war then fast forward to the present and consider all that is and has happened since 2001 you see America is about to come out on top of all its enemies and rivals once again and by that I mean the EU, Russia, China, OPEC and Iran. Events have been put in motion by the Obama administration which will fill US coffers to a level not seen since WW2 and secure the USA as the no1 power in the world for another 100 years.
The Syria war has done exactly what the US wanted. The OPEC countries want US military aid as ISIS is getting out of control drawing support and recruits in their countries plus the Americans new energy policy of becoming less reliant on foreign fossil fuels has them scared so the do what America wants and cut oil prices in half which effects the Iran and Russian economies which depend on oil revenue and Russia intercedes in Syria to intimidate OPEC countries and turns Iran more friendly towards the USA and less towards Russia and of course all these OPEC buy shiploads of American weaponry. This way the Americans can distract the Russians from the crimea and give the retribution for pushing their weight around in former Warsaw pact countries that want to break away from Russian influence. So its win win for America. They have a similar policy going with China.
@Righttobeararms83 Neither of these world wars hurt the US: they left other countries in ruins. It's normal to become 'top dog' if the competitors' industries are barren wasteland with tens of millions of deaths.
@jacquesvol just saying its no coincidence. Like it was no coincidence that America entered both world wars just in time to turn the tide, it was no coincidence that America's four carrier went for a cruise the day before pearl harbour, it waa no coincidence that Japan attacked America, its no coincidence that America forced Churchill to sign away the British Empire, just like it wasn't a coincidence that Soviet Union collapsed. Look at all thats happened this last few years like the economic crash, Arab spring, ISIS, Libya, Russian aggression, Chineese aggression, fracking in America, the increase of America's military and economic intrests in Africa, the fall in oil prices, the potential break up of the EU this is the Obama administration's master plan thats going wipe out any enemies and beat down any rivals meanwhile selling huge amounts of American Weapons and products to both OPEC countries and those in the south Pacific as well as India.
No. I think the worst Empire was the Mongol, with Genghis Kahn, or the Ottoman Empire. The British didn't massacre people the colonized, they killed those who fought back, obviously, but they didn't kill the rest, unlike the Mongols who killed everyone.
Yes, because they made it. What the Romans didnwas admirable too. What Alexander the Great did was admirable too. What Spain did was admirable too. Almost every society has tried to create their own empire, many failed and only a few made it, that's why I think it's admirable. If only the Brits tried creating an Empire, I would condemn them, but they were just 1 among 100's.
I don t think wanting to rule the world is admirable though... it's just plain greedy and using other people's resources. disrupting their lives etc.. war is never admirable, it's just the result of egoism and greed. plus an empire never lasts, therefore it's vain to try that anymore. plus an empire kills diversity and culture... etc etc
@archiz "an empire kills diversity and culture" the sentence that made be double face palm!!!
Because now with the British Empire being gone long ago, the British culture has remained intact and the British people thrive in their island without the influence of millions of foreign invaders, almost all muslims of course who never adopt into something non islamic. https://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/07/stupid.gif
@TheFlak36 lol calm down... you want a chill pill? and what you re saying doesn t really make sense. because the muslims for once are immigrants not invaders. if it was the latter, then they would be forced to adopt the new culture. but since you mentioned muslims, in the case of invaders we can talk about ISIS who would kill anyone who that follow their ideals. Now that's a better example. and by the way, call me stupid and I am not arguing with you anymore. The last thing I need is someone making an ass of himself online.
LoL, the Mongols did not kill everyone, otherwise, there would be no more China, Russia, Persia... or any other country in the Mongol Empire: lh3.googleusercontent.com/.../hk.8.png Just like any other conquerors, the Mongols were killing only those who oppose them, but they were more brutal compared to the British.
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Historically, most empires have been pretty ruthless, and frankly, most of them were also wiping out pretty horrific warlords when they expanded.
Were the British particularly genocidal? I would have to argue hell no, they were probably below average, as far as empires go.
The British empire wasn't large because they were more or less evil, the British empire was large because they were an emergent power at a time when european technology allowed a global empire. Give Romans better technology, they'd have had a global empire as well.
Even among modern empires, would you really say the British were worse in how they colonized then the Spanish or other european powers? Would you say they were worse than Imperial Japan?
I will keep reading more, the death toll on indian famines is staggering, but there are a few things to note here: - the British certainly did not intentionally trigger famines, and would have preferred for them NOT to have happened. THis wasn't an intentional policy to depopulate india. The British east india company took an economic beating because of the famines. - did poor decision making by British officials contribute? Almost certainly yes. But these appear, from what i can see, to be a mixture of poor understanding and negligence, as opposed to direct malice. - it appears that as famines continued under British rule, they made attempts to handle them better, rather then using them as a tool.
So i'm certainly not attempting to let the English off the hook for gross -mismanagement- with catastrophic consequences, but that's not the same thing as 'lets take over all our neighbours countries and kill them all, and sacrifice their children to our gods' which many empires have
In terms of empire and colonialism the British Empire was the most humane of the lot.
Much of their empire was mostly commerce and mercantile driven, with that they brought to many parts of the world an equitable justice system, an efficient civil service and infrastructure, many of it in use till today.
Funny cause all those millions and millions of dead indians would disagree as would the Aboriginal peoples of New Guinea, Australia and New Zealand especially Australia as the British hunted them like it was a safari.
@sexyphil in Africa some British hunters went big game hunting with maxim machine guns. Most of the world's endangered species are endangered because of the British.
Well my answer is here :Well of course I didn't live in this era lol , but it was a pretty shitty empire they TOOK our country resources and stole like billions from the country and corrupted the soil and it made out plotical system confused between french and British men , great britian occupied egypt 99 years of he'll it was from the worst empire that occupied egypt , my true opinion
This is what conquering nations do, history of the world isn't people making friends, it was the way and they were good at it. It's not like any other european or empirial state would do something too differently.
Romans were not less vicious, or greek colonies.
Did you ever hear of Cenghiz Khan? Who conquered the world from China to modern day Hungary? Killed, burned, destroyed whoever stood against his path and built the largest empire the world has ever seen?
No, it was not. Actually, it was one of the most humane and progressive empires in history. Was it perfect? No, of course not, but there haven't been any empires that were better. Let's put it that way round.
Not even close to the worst Empire, in fact it's probably one of the best that ever existed. People don;t seem to realize just how nasty most of human history is, by comparison the British were Humanitarians, hell they ended slavery for fuck sake.
And yet only 2% of slaves were sold to whites. Most went to south america and the middle east. ALL empires of the past were pretty much horrible but if you have to choose the lesser evil, the British empire would probably be a top contender.
Yet to be seen whether America tops the table with all the trouble they have stirred up in the middle east... They continue to poke their nose into everyone elses conflicts and only make matters worse in most cases. Viz Vietnam...
Yeah but it was the Soviets/Chinese who started all that trouble. If it wasn't for America, South Korea wouldn't be one of the most advanced countries in Asia, and a free place to live in, but would have been eaten by N. Korea and look at how N. Korea is today. If America and the South would have won the war in Vietnam, that country wouldn't be like it is today, but much better.
But it would've been worse if they wouldn't have done anything. At least they helped fight for good. The somewhat succeeded with S. Korea, but failed in Vietnam. You can't blame the US for other countries' problems when the US went to help, didn't start the war, and fought for the right thing.
@AleDeEurope a us allied country asked for help and military assistance we were invited in by a country under attack by an aggressive nation backed by china and russia. If you think about all the problems in the middle east can be laid at the feet of the British.
@asker that's what I'm saying, they can't blame the US especially when they didn't fight for oppression, but the complete opposite. I wouldn't blame the British either, I blame the Soviets, who were the ones to want to install communism in Middle East.
Yes, I know that, but that was something unfortunate. It backfired cause those people thought the US was gonna stay, but they didn't, after the USSR ended, the US left that area, so they got pissed at that, and at the fact that the US supported/supports Israel.
Has it backfired or has it done exactly what the Obama administration wanted by getting Russia to involve themselves so that now the OPEC countries have united and are buying American weapons by the boat load. Russia, China, Europe, Middle East, south Pacific, Africa, south America all are being played by the Obama administration which at the end will have America sitting at the top of the pile wealthier than ever. Obama is the greatest president since FDR.
Learn your own history OP countries like Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabi, Syria, Jordan and the rest didn't exist until the British decided to draw straight lines along the map regardless to the peoples that actually lived there. The Pakistan and Indian conflict ordinatewith the British mishandling the division of the country.
Yeah it's true ! They really made sure to make nice pretty boundaries in a really calcumated way to basically screw everything up, they really made sure to make it the worst possible so they can come back later and say oohlalala you're really bad people we came back here with our superior civilised way to pretend we're heroes while we just care for gaz and oil and we'll keep screwing things up but guess what nobody will stop us because we have money heheheyyyy ;D... i really don't mean to be offencive but seriously i hate it when the medias keep warming up so old shit to brainwash people...
In my opinion, the Britsh Empire is the most evil Empire in the world. The Nazis and Mao Zedong are babies when compared to the crimes of the British. The Nazis had only killed 16M-18M people and Mao Zedong had only killed 30M people, while the Britsh had killed over 150M people. The difference between the Nazis', Mao Zedong's, and the British's kill count is huge. All this proves that the Britsh Empire is the most evil in the world.
@FakeName123 exactly, that's why I hate silly internet fabricated stories like the one linked. Are the Brits perfect, no, not even close. No Nation is. But there are so many that just did horrible things to their own people and others. Mankind isn't pretty.
not even close no matter how many times you click your heals together and wish it to be true. You're own question says "evil" which if used as a noun means intent or an adjective to describe is not supported by the link provided. Take the one on Kenya, that wasn't just a British run center, it was primarily by Kenyans. This incident, the Mau Mau revolution was more of a civil war within Kenya. So this list you use as your reference is inaccurate and uses rumor as fact. So when you want to throw around the term "evil", the Brits actually did a hell of a lot of good for this planet as well. Medicine, agriculture, trade, housing development.
Considering tens of millions died in famines in India alone no at least when the Nazis wanted to kill millions of Jews they had more mercy using gas chambers instead of hunger.
They were starved and put to work all day with no purpose at all before they were "kindly" murdered in a gas chamber. I'm not very familiar with the famines in India, but I'm under the impression it's the fault of the British people alone.
Yes, I know they were not good colonizers, if there was ever one. I don't agree they were the more humane either, and yeah, what can be said about the UK?
@Alleric I didn't say it wasn't I just said you sound like those mentalers that deny it ever happen but on the subject do you know that the Germans killed six million jews by gasing them but the British killed 8 million indians in a year by starvation.
What the fuck are you talking about. I hope you're high because you're stupid af. Me: Genghis Khan was worse You: You deny genocide in India?
What are you on? Are you drunk? Genghis Khan is responsible for the deaths of over 40 million people (10% of Earth's population). That's a bit worse than a potato famine.
I think that Spain is the most racist country and treated every place they conquered badly, they even split the people they colonized based on skin color and Spain created the concept of race
They are the worse in my opinion My history teacher told me they would beat the slaves if they did not Learn Spanish quick enough
Luckily the British and Americans drove them out of America
definitely the mongols. they fucked up the middle east so bad, they made the richest and most sophisticated society get set back 1000 years and fucked up so bad them dudes out there are still shittin' in rocks
It was an Empire. Like all other Empires it had good and bad things. And usually it's the end of it when the bad times come. The British were badasses to achieve so territorial gains. They expanded European civilisation like no one else.
@Curiousness23 you're missing some basic facts. Muhammed financed his conquests through beginning a slave trade. He initiated and plannned 63 military campaigns during his life with 59 having him at the head. Through trading Africans whom he nicknamed slaves in Arabic "abed" he got the financial resources. He would even trade 2 black Africans for others.
The largest slave trade in history and longest lasting is the Muslim slave trade. It still continued to the present. Actually Europe pays Muslim countries bribery money to let them free. Northern Africa is the horde of slave trading. In total 1600 years now and over 2 billion slaves.
You want to know something. The Atlantic slave trade began because Muslim slave traders incentives them as an easier trade because the Muslims were trying to use it themselves to advance conquests. The most brutal empire has been through Islam in history
The 1st person to ever make a prayer call was a liberated black slave called Bilal, his liberty was bought by a close friend of the prophet Mohammed while a non muslim was torturing him, so basically he saved his life and recongnised him as an equal human being, one of the 1st things that Islam did was abolish slavery those who carried on doing those things where not muslims, maybe arabs but not muslims and there is a verse in the quran that says that hiumans can be better than angels and worst than animals even demons...
I do not need to, I have a vast knowledge of the subject. Imperialists, colonists, everything in between. Why ask the question if you aren't ready for the rebuttal. Historiographical debate is huge surrounding this.
I'm a former British subject, and to be honest, most other colonial power did the same and did worse. You seem to ignore this, and promote your own agenda, but fine.
It's because you're not very bright @asker but cool.
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