What's your opinion on MGTOW?

[ADFSDF1996]

Even though I am not MGTOW because I love women, I personally can't really blame those guys, they must have their reasons. I don't know if all MGTOW guys chose to be like that for the same reason, but I have a friend that is considering becoming MGTOW because he has the same problem as me. He believes women don't appreciate the male physique. He hates the thought that women only care about what a man can do for the woman. He hates to think that women find other women more aesthetically attractive than men and he feels that women don't even find men sexually attractive. For those reasons he wants to become MGTOW, but he still has feelings for women though that's what keeps him from living a MGTOW lifestyle. I empathize with my friend. I just want to see what everyone else thinks of MGTOW.

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Look at the comments on this video. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R_3koXi6flQ

[RandomBritishGuy94]

I understand the idea but they are way to extreme for me.

I think if you're going to swear off women and be celibate do it but be careful not to join a cult.

Same goes for feminism. If you see injustice against women fight it but don't buy into the myth women in the west are still "help down". You aren't fighting for the vote but for the right not to be called fat. It's not the same thing.

[JamesPembertonBaxter]

It's not being celibate, it's about staying clear of LOVE and COMMITMENT.

[RandomBritishGuy94]

@JamesPembertonBaxter so it's a string of one night stands? You don't need a group of men online to help you do that.

[JamesPembertonBaxter]

It's not a group of men. It's a philosophy, a way of life. It means men stop putting women on a pedestal and serving THEIR interests, and we instead serve OUR needs and OUR interests alone.

[A_Shot_of_Whiskey]

MGTOW isn't a cult. It is a philosophy, and it is not about hate nor celibacy.

[JCT666]

Personally, I think it's a little silly because a lot of guys tend to go that way because they are very bitter about women.

But if a guy genuinely doesn't want to settle down eventually, then more power to him.

[dbr1987]

I am not bitter about women. Or you understand them or you love Them. I also love to hook up but they can never get emotionally close to me. If you want our motivation check out hypergamy, Social market value, Social engineering. The number of sexual partners a women had determines how good she can pairbond with one Guy. In this day and age are the numbers so high that bonding is not possible in most cases. This whole system is based on maintaining men in the dark of female nature. She wants to mate (fuck) with alphamales. While obtained one she Will try to give him beta caracteristics to basically be a better provider and potential father. While the love chemicals are so powerfull that she might manage to change the Alpha to a partly beta the attraction is gone. That's where the part of the women brain comes into play where she starts to check out the fields and slightly monkeybranching on a low level. The shit tests determine a women's subconcious attraction level to you. If you want more info on our perspective watch YouTube : Sandman MGTOW and some keywords i gave you. Have a good night

[Ishtar92]

I think nothing, they're free to do whatever feels right to them but the reasons are flawed saying that women are not attracted to men sexually is obviously not true.

[JamesPembertonBaxter]

That's not what they say. MGTOW means that we should use women for sexual pleasure only and not open up our hearts to women because a relationship generally leads to the woman cheating, nagging, etc. and breaking our heart some way or the other.

[Ishtar92]

@JamesPembertonBaxter that's what I read in the question's description. Also women aren't generally the ones who end up destroying the relationship men are just as more susceptible to do that.

[BreakerMorant]

@JamesPembertonBaxter There are different levels of MGTOW, from those who only pursue casual, sexual relationships, to those who only get sex from prostitutes to those like me, who simply avoid relationships except in professional ways. I have nothing in particular against women... I just don't want them interfering in my life.

[JamesPembertonBaxter]

70% of divorces are initiated by women. And many times, men initiate divorces because the wife committed adultery.

[dbr1987]

Educate yourself more. That is not the reason

[TheLuckyPizzaDog]

I'm just puzzled why they need a movement for being in a state of perpetual bachelorhood. Because that's literally what it is.

[ADFSDF1996]

They feel that women and society have become hostile against men/masculinity.

[TheLuckyPizzaDog]

Women and society are hostile towards everything. Like, that's fine, I don't have anything against mgtows but tbh they're just like those feminists. Some are cool and some are crazy, and that's life.

[ADFSDF1996]

Yeah, I'm not very fond of feminists.

[ADFSDF1996]

My friend only thinks about becoming MGTOW because he feels that women are unable to appreciate the male physique like men appreciate the female physique. I empathize with my friend because ocassionally I feel like he does.

[TheLuckyPizzaDog]

Well then id hate to be like the proverbial broken record, but then he hasn't met the right people, nor you. I'm an advocate for "you do you, whatever makes you happy go for it" so if joining that movement gives you a sense of somewhere you can go and feel safe with other guys who have an understanding of what you're going through then good. Do it. As I said, I don't have a problem with that movement. What I don't like are the crazy ones that go insane and blame everything on women and make us all out to be crazy demonic serpents. Like, I don't like the feminists like that either. They're crazy and unreasonable and ain't nobody got time for that shit "e; &unquote;.
Though tbh your friends reasoning also puzzles me. He doesn't want to get saddled with a woman because he thinks women don't... like men's bodies like men like women's bodies? Whut.

[ADFSDF1996]

He thinks women are incapable of finding a man physically attractive, like us guys can find women attractive. I am am not living a MGTOW lifestyle because I still love women. As I've said, I do empathize with how my friend feels.

[VeritechAce]

It's not really a movement. It's more of a philosophy. A rethinking of the perpetual bachelorhood that you speak of. It's just that with the internet, men who have reason to be perpetual bachelors will find each other online.

But it's also more than that; it is becoming more and more popular due to the childish way women seem to be behaving in today's modern society. If you want MGTOW to stop spreading, then women as a whole need to start acting like grown assed women instead of hostile spoiled entitled children.

[VeritechAce]

You seriously need to watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faeT4fIFAcg

[Kauto_Star]

Feminism is reason why men have gone their own way.

[AzureGirl]

I have no opinion on it given I really don't have an idea on what it is. I've seen it been used every so often though.

[ADFSDF1996]

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=MGTOW

[AzureGirl]

So it's kinda like a drawn out way for a guy to say he doesn't want a relationship?

[ADFSDF1996]

I don't know if it's that they don't want a relationship, I think a lot of them might have feelings for women, but they feel that women don't really care about men so they just gave up on women.

[AzureGirl]

Ah, I've met some guys on here that seem to have the same opinion on women

[retrokid]

Look I'm am not mgtow at all. can a woman legally keep child awayou from one parent?

[retrokid]

Just a question. Would you keep a child away from their father?

[kittykatbrat]

With sooooo many toxic women, I can definitely understand it.

ie: I work and socialise with a LOT... daily.

[Tdieseler]

i love the word "toxic"...

[ShayanMortazavi1998]

Do you have an example?

[dbr1987]

Yes no other options left..

[anonman32]

MGTOW are men opting out of commitment t women. i can understand them. it has happened in ancient greece and ancient rome that men opted out of women when their female rights movements became radical and went out of hand. it resulted in decline of birth rates and it is a tell tale sign of a declining civilization if you ask me.

it is essentially a counter movement to women and feminists like it was a counter movement to women and feminists in the roman empire and ancient greece. i have noticed hostility towards men and masculinity in general. but it only makes me want to become more masculine and reject chauvinism and macho man behavior so i nobody has a reason to attack me. some deal with the hostility in different ways i guess.

[JamesPembertonBaxter]

Exactly. History repeats itself.

[Muscularity]

@JamesPembertonBaxter Agreed, logic points me here.

[Negrodamuss]

I think mgtow is fine. Actually, i've said many times that its not a bad idea for young guys to go MGTOW so they can stay focused on other things much more important than women, such as your education/entrepreneurial pursuits. by the way, mgtow's aren't guys who swear off women from what i've read. It's simply about avoid marriage. They still date, have sex, all of those things... but they avoid getting married under any circumstance. Personally, im 50/50 on them. On the one hand, i can sympathize with the overall message. On the other hand, the movement is filled with a lot of degenerates and racists from what i've seen, so its not a movement that i'd particularly be proud to be a part of

[Bandit74]

I think it's fine if a guy wants to avoid relationships with women but I dont see went he has to identify as MGTOW to do it.

[ADFSDF1996]

I think some guys identify as MGTOW to show grief.

[HelloEveryone123456]

I think their thought process is a little skewed...

But I don't know any of them personally...

[ADFSDF1996]

It could be, but I think they might have had bad experiences with women that made them lose hope.

[HelloEveryone123456]

Maybe...

It's possible they're just fat and ugly, but that being said... Anyone can eat right, join a gym, get a haircut and dress nice...

I've had bad experiences too, but I can usually look back and see if it was partially my fault...

I don't know everything about the movement, but I think it's similar to feminazi's and I know that's no good...

[JamesPembertonBaxter]

That's not what they say. MGTOW means that we should use women for sexual pleasure only and not open up our hearts to women because a relationship generally leads to the woman cheating, nagging, etc. and breaking our heart some way or the other. Many Frat boys are MGTOWs. Even Leonardo DiCaprio is MGTOW without identifying with the movement.

[Anonymous]

I can understand how they think and why they feel the way they do, but, I think it's a little too extreme.

[ADFSDF1996]

I think a lot of them identify as MGTOW to show grief.

[Tdieseler]

I think its just plain unnecessary. We shouldn't need some group to assert man status... lets leave that for the women now shall we?
I do like the concept behind it though lol

[JamesPembertonBaxter]

That's not what they say. MGTOW means "men going their own way", which means detaching from society altogether. That we should use women for sexual pleasure only and not open up our hearts to women because a relationship generally leads to the woman cheating, nagging, etc. and breaking our heart some way or the other.

[Tdieseler]

@JamesPembertonBaxter i think thats an even word definition...

[lip_sync]

their denying the instinct that straight men have to want to have sex with women,, there is no reason to cock block urself if you do not want to commit to a woman,, one thing they have right is to never marry becuz women are not to be trusted with assets

[JamesPembertonBaxter]

Many MGTOWs believe exactly what you said. Use women for sex and don't open up your hearts.

[BellePepper]

I think they need to see therapists about their anxiety issues.

[retrokid]

Women keep child away from fathers then she brain washes child to hate the parent. You darn right they need therapy. she hot all power over his child.

[BellePepper]

@retrokid Honey. You really shouldn't try talking with me until your English is much better.

[retrokid]

It's called spelling errors. and I'm speak English way better than you.

[retrokid]

Look you know full well that women keep kids away from the father. men should stop making a woman pregnant all together. And as for the English. Have you not heard of a thing called spelling errors everyone makes them. SPELLING ERROR look it up on the dictionary

[BellePepper]

@retrokid No, I'm willing to forgive spelling. I'm not going to even bother with things like "and I'm speak English way better than you"

[retrokid]

Women don't understand that it's them keeping the child away. thenot she goes around telling the child lis about the dad. it's not fair. a father has the right to love the child. to be apart of their lives. to care. to be involved. To guide his child. to motivate his child. but some women are stingy and selfish. At the end of the day it's the child that suffers not the adults.

[BellePepper]

@retrokid Why do you keep talking to me when you already know I'm not reading anything you post?

[BellePepper]

@retrokid and now I'm blocking you too :)

[dbr1987]

Stupid bitch why reply to a topic like MGTOW if you don't care. You Just want attention and try to shame us for being MGTOW. You talk condescending to men and try to overpower Them with your big mouth behind your screen with a shitty profile pick. I thank you for talking like you do cause you are the perfect example why men go MGTOW

[Josht11]

It started out just stupid but they seem to keep ramping up the bullshit and now really generalize and blame women for all their problems.

[sp33d]

If the mgtow assholes' views weren't so extreme and unjustified, I'd consider it a thing, but as it is, like the today's feminist idiots, the opinion is strictly negative.

[JamesPembertonBaxter]

Not entirely. Keep believing in the virtuous woman and put her on a pedestal until you get burned, what can we say?

[Anonymous]

They get a lot of backlash because they say non-PC things. They aren't hurting anybody.

[Fearless_banana]

A bunch of sexually repressed nerds that can't get laid.. blame women and society for their issues.

[RandomBritishGuy94]

They are mostly older divorced men. I've gone through their forums and they talk about failure to get access to their children a lot.

I looked into it after a BBC documentary on "modern men". It wasn't a very even program so did my own research on it.

[Fearless_banana]

You could be right.. I just stay away from guys like that.. feminazis also.

[RandomBritishGuy94]

It's a good call.

[JamesPembertonBaxter]

That's not what they say. MGTOW means that we should use women for sexual pleasure only and not open up our hearts to women because a relationship generally leads to the woman cheating, nagging, etc. and breaking our heart some way or the other. Wait till you get cheated on, you beta male cuckold simp!

[Fearless_banana]

@JamesPembertonBaxter Lol I was cheated on in the Marines. I didn't turn into a pussy because of it.

[JamesPembertonBaxter]

Got news for you. You are a pussy for committing to a woman when you're on duty in the marines. It's been real easy for me to smash military girlfriends. They're some of the horniest women I've ever been with. I feel sorry for you.

[BreakerMorant]

Then clearly, you're continuing to make the same mistakes... that just makes you stupid.

[BreakerMorant]

I'm happy to be a MGTOW... I live my life the way I choose and I'm not answerable to anyone. Since sex has never been of any particular fascination to me, women really have no place in my life.

[Miezko]

I just wish they'd go their own way already so I could stop hearing about it.

[Tracker1958]

Wish we could give classes to high schools boys to help them deal with women.

[A_Shot_of_Whiskey]

Honestly, it sounds like neither you nor your friend knows what MGTOW is.

[jakeofalltrades]

male version of feminism and just as bad

[JamesPembertonBaxter]

No the male version of feminists are meninists or men's rights activists. MGTOW means going our own way. It is a libertarian movement. Fuck bitches and don't commit, that's how it is.

[Muscularity]

Its not involved in politics like feminism though

[idkwtftoputhere]

Indifferent.

[bcromartie]

It's gay.

[ADFSDF1996]

Why though?

[bcromartie]

If you need a national movement to back your decision to not get married while fucking bitches so you can sleep at night you're anything but a man.

That's just weak.

[ADFSDF1996]

Do you think they are extremists?

[bcromartie]

No. Their pussies. Extremists don't whine.

[RandomBritishGuy94]

It's not about sleeping around. It's the opposite. They reject any social interaction with women. At least the extreme side.

As I said above it's mostly older men who have been married and had a bad breakup. Most of them have a hard time getting child access because of ex's.

I looked into it after a BBC documentary "modern men".

[bcromartie]

@RandomBritishGuy94 Who the fuck are you again?

[RandomBritishGuy94]

"above" is another comment I think. Still the point stands. It's not about sleeping around.

[JamesPembertonBaxter]

That's not what they say. MGTOW means that we should use women for sexual pleasure only and not open up our hearts to women because a relationship generally leads to the woman cheating, nagging, etc. and breaking our heart some way or the other. All you "real men" are nothing but beta male cuckolds.

[RandomBritishGuy94]

@JamesPembertonBaxter If you want to use people and need a group to validate your choice to be an ass to other people that means you're the group with real issues. I don't need anyone, male or female, to validate how I live my life.

[JamesPembertonBaxter]

@RandomBritishGuy94 Then why do traditional conservatives and feminists alike tell us that we should "man up" and get married to women or "settle down"? We want society to stop looking at us as "being an ass", like you did. I'd rather give my money to charity than spend it on a diamond ring for an uncaring wh0re.

[RandomBritishGuy94]

@JamesPembertonBaxter Where did I call you an ass or tell you to man up? Not having a relationship is your choice.

Give it to charity that's also your choice.

What I find wrong is actively encouraging someone to see women (or men) as objects that will just f**k you over. That view is as wrong as the feminists that claim every man wants to rape them. I just don't get this mindset.