What's your solution for Israel and Palestine?

[Toad-1]

If you were in charge of coming up with a solution for them what would you come up with?

[Belgie]

There is none at the moment, because Israel is "winning" and has the majority of what it wants, and the Palestinians have too much impotent rage and nowhere near enough bargaining power, so neither side has anything to gain by negotiating for peace in good faith.

The first step towards a solution? Convincing Israel that in order to have peace they will HAVE to give up some things. (And good luck convincing them of that. The world can't even convince them to obey international law.)

The second step? Dismantling the rage on the Palestinian side and convincing them that it *doesn't* *matter* what atrocities they suffered under, there will NEVER be revenge or justice for it, or reparations. They just need to forgive and move past it. (Again, good luck convincing the families of the murdered about that.)

The third step, finding a group that is trusted by both parties to make fair decisions with the precondition from both sides that the arbitrators word is FINAL. Again, good luck with that, because Israel will only trust America and the Palestinians will practically trust anyone except America.

The fourth step, break the region down into tiny segments like squares on a board. Each side picks a segment, one at a time. Two rules. Their first segment can be anywhere. Then every choice after the first must be adjacent to an existing acquired segment. This forces both sides to slowly acquire and plan the areas that they *most* want, in the order they most want. It can mathematically be shown to be the fairest dividing strategy, and is basically a more complicated form of "You cut it into two, but I pick which bit I want".

[tyber1]

I'm so glad that someone understands how things really are

[NearlyNapping]

Stay out of it and let them fight it out. I would not lift a finger to help either side.

If I MUST do something, I'd look at it this way. Israel was formed with the backing of a bunch of countries. They were formed in a place where they were surrounded by enemies. To my knowledge, none of the surrounding countries backed the formation of Israel. So it was trouble from the start.

But whether it was a good idea or not, I think the countries that backed the formation of Israel have an obligation to defend them... as long as they stay within the original borders. My solution would be to get a coalition of the original supporters, and tell both sides that the original border is the final border, and if either side violates that border they will have their ass kicked very badly.

But I'd much rather just stay the hell out of it and let them fight it out.

[vishna]

Hmm, I can't pretend like I've taken history courses on the conflict. But I do get the gist. I think stopping settlements on Palestinian land is a must. And eliminating terrorist/violence promoting organizations on both sides is also a must.

Also, I'm not religious, and I don't let deeds/promises from gods written in books thousands of years old apply to every person who is of a certain religion/ethnic group. It makes 0 sense how people actually use that as a real argument. I mean, ok, sure I guess if you're religious it makes sense, but religion and politics should be separate unless the government is trying to ban a religion (in which case, bringing up religion would be ok)

[Ghassan2]

The thing is, Jews all of a sudden claim that Palestine is theirs, and they have been terrorizing Muslims there for over 80 years now , and all people can think of is the 1% of killing done in America which was by Muslims.

[DaniaMQ]

first thing is start doing neighborhoods with both Jews and Muslims. Palestinians and Israelis. When they see that there's no need for hate then things will be great. And, second thing, get rid of the borders that separate everyone. And stop with the "This land is ours" thing. We all live on this earth, there's no mine and yours. Those who go against making peace, who assault, who use violence or whatever, will be punished. I don't know how, put I don't mean punished as like killed or tortured, jail maybe, depending on what they did, or obligate them to socialize with those who he/she hates. Until they see that there's no need to hate them. Of course the others must treat him well

[nalaa]

I'm with your president. I'm fine with whatever both parties can agree on. I'm happy with the one they like the best

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPNoZDzYjp8

Seriously tho, I AM like Trump I look at two state and one state and no one of it matters to me.
I don't know why it's so hard for them to come up with a solution that both can live with. If I was in charge, they'd be one secular state

[BlueCoyote]

Both parties (but especially the Israelis) believe all the land belongs only to them and they believe that religious scriptures legitimize their greed. It's like me saying "your house actually belongs to me and I can prove it. Look, my holy book clearly says that your house has always been mine." You can't have a constructive discussion with such a person.
That's why it's not that easy.

[HaveQuestions]

Just wanted to add this, because it goes back further than 1947. Here's a kinda cool timeline: www.google.com/.../promises-timeline.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjw2K69vazSAhXkxVQKHTvsBqUQFghlMA0&usg=AFQjCNGJ6qdf05rDnNVlrn7qE72CPMOA6g&sig2=aUeYMuBubF64jBWJM4f1wQ

[BlueCoyote]

Israel and Palestine need a two-state solution on the basis of where the borders were in 1967. The ultra-nationalist crybabies in Israel may not like this plan but it's the only objectively fair and balanced solution there is.

[MarkRet]

There could have been a peacefull solution in 1947, but the Arabs rejected it, started a war to wipe out the Israelis, and they've been getting their asses kicked ever since. Every time they start a war on Israel, they lose even more of what they have. The Palestinians should consider themselves lucky the Israelis don't just obliterate them. Israel is actually now entitled to all that territory, due to the Arabs being such shitheads. The Palestinians (and the Arabs in general) could have had a REALLY good deal in 1947, and they flushed it down the toilet.

[SomeGuy37]

How can there be a mutually satisfying solution between two groups that are so Diametrically opposite? Building walls hasn't helped. Laws, and restrictions make things worse.
How can you come to a peaceful solution, living in close proximity, to someone that 'Stole your land' or that 'Just wants to kill you because of your religion'?
By the Gods, if someone could come up with a REAL, functional solution, that both could accept, that one would truly be WORTHY of the Nobel Prize, and perhaps even 'Sainthood' in the Christian Church!!
At this point, it is really a question of which conflict destroys us!! The Israeli/Palestinian thing, the India/Pakistan thing, or the North Korea/South Korea/China thing!!

[qdoek]

The wall has reduced the terrorism attacks in Israel by 99℅. In that sense, it was a great thing to do

[SomeGuy37]

@qdoek But they are digging under it, and still bombing! Or are my Jewish friends lying?

[qdoek]

And if those terror attacks where there, Israel would be even less likely to pull out of the Westbank and probably have waged more wars.

[qdoek]

It is a different wall you are talking about, the one at Gaza. Israel has got Iron Dome and iron beam which makes Hamas' rockets irrelevant and Israel is building an underground wall to destroy the tunnels.

As for the wall in the Westbank, It has worked magnificently. It reduced terrorist attacks by 99℅. I thought you were talking about that one as that is the most controversial.

[SomeGuy37]

@qdoek I'm not sure of anything!! I know a few Jewish people, and a few Arabs, and so on, and so on!! I HATE that my friends HATE each other, and I don't really understand why!!
I can only go out with certain ones, and to certain places!! I understand Kosher, and Halal, and we go to different places, but the food is similar.
I think, ultimately, that if there is a SOLUTION, it is finding the COMMON THINGS, maybe with a 'mediator' and find a way to accept our 'different' 'similarities'!!!

[qdoek]

Problem is that Arabs and Muslims (I know I'm generalising but research backs me up) are generally quite anti-semitic which results in Jews disliking them. This anti-semitism is usually from their parents, problem is thus with the parents.

[SomeGuy37]

@qdoek I agree. There is a lot of hatred on both sides. We faced something similar, in the US, causing the civil War. Afterward, it took many years, then more. Even now, 150 years later, many still feel that there is 'bias' and 'Racism'. I think some have a legitimate point, but angry riots, protests that close down highways, and public access, doesn't help their cause!
Some of my friends have compared the Israel/Palestinian issue to something like the Illegal Immigrants from Mexico, coming into the US.
Most are good people, and just want to work, and earn money, to raise families. Sadly, some others seem to use that as a route in, to cause trouble.
I can't say, for certain, as I don't know anything but what I have heard from friends on both sides!!
I HATE being in the middle, liking all of them, on opposite sides!!
Hasn't this dispute, between the Israelis and the Palestinians been going on since, well, since people started recording things?

[qdoek]

This dispute has started in 1967 when Israel attacked Jordan and captured the Westbank.

[SomeGuy37]

@qdoek I think it started before that, when the UN made Israel a nation in 1948. I think that was the start of it. The 'Outside World' made a 'Jewish Nation' in Arab land (what one of my Lebanese friends said). I don't know if it is right, or not, just what a friend said.
Then, a Jewish friend, later, said that GOD gave them that land.
I'm confused!!
I kind of just wish I could get all of them together, and just go out, for CHINESE FOOD!!! NEUTRAL, and be FRIENDS, rather than being between all their disagreements with each other!

[qdoek]

Okay, the dispute between the Palestinians and Israel in 1967 and between other Arab nations and Israel in 1948. The UN did not create Israel though, they offered a solution but the Arabs rejected it and war followed. Arabs lost the war and Israel was born.

I do agree with your last statement but the hatred from the Arabs to Israel is unbelievable thus that will not happen. Israelis constantly have to protect themselves in war to save themselves from annihilation which ofcourse results in mutual hatred.

[Iraqveteran666]

@qdoek the Arabs rejected it and attacked the Jewish land wanting to kill every man woman and child but the brave Jews fought hard and their attackers fled forfeiting their lands.

[TadCurious]

I would tell the Palestinians that if they want a solution they have to acknowledge Israel's right to exist and stop paying bounties to the families of suicide bombers and other terrorists. It's up to the Palestinians. They rejected the two state plan put forth at Camp David during the last part of the Bill Clinton administration. And when they did they launched the intifada. They will also have to remove Hamas from power in Gaza because Hamas periodically likes to start launching missiles aimed at civilian areas in Israel. It's hard to have peace when terrorists are launching missiles at civilians.

[MementoMori_]

I would tell Israel to TAKE MORE LAND. No matter what Israel gives up, the world will side against them. They will have to defend themselves in perpetuity. If they give anything up, then the world will demand they give MORE up even after a deal has already been made. They won't be satisfied until Israel ceases to exist. So why bother trying to compromise. Don't give up ANYTHING. TAKE MORE LAND! The more land they take, the safer they will be.

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[Kuraj]

Force Palestinians out so their muslim neighbors take them in.
But the funny thing is, not even their muslim neighbors want to take them in, because no matter how much of a genocide they wish against Israel, they still don't want to make it look like THEIR country should be considered home for the Palestinians either.
Because deep down their Arab brethren know that Palestinians are just trouble, they will pretend to hate Israel but they lowkey wish them to destroy Hamas and the resistance because they already got enough problems of their own.
Ironic isn't it.

[nalaa]

Well I don't think it's that other arab countries think Palestinians are trouble. With the notable exception of Jordan and Lebanon most arab countries in the area haven't been taking in Syrians either. Not a notabled amount anyway and especially not the filthy rich countries in the region like Saudi Arabai, Qatar, UAE, Kuwait... They just don't seem to think it's their job

[ObscuredBeyond]

Nuke the Kaaba, discredit Hamas once and for all, exterminate their pedo rings, open Alaska for drilling, put Saudi Arabia in the poor house, and let Israel clean up the garbage. Israel will simply continue to be. It's the Arab invader criminals who choose to be at war with it. Many Arabs refuse to be radicalized, and live in peace as Israelis. Let the ones who insist on death to Israel join Amalek on the ash heap of history.

[rainD]

why not just think this over with an animal in example:
what would happen if a mountain had 2 tigers. at least 1 of them must die.

but humans even with proper consciousness, would think like an animal, just like 2 tigers.
but 2 turtles would never fight one another, so unless they can become turtles, there won't be end for their issues unless one is dead...

[AleDeEurope]

It should stay as it is. Israel belongs to the Jews, so let them keep that area, but they gotta stop expanding and building settlements in Palestinian areas.
The Palestinians should stay where they are, and stop using kids as shields. Stop attacking Israel.

[llorando]

Before a solution can be made, the US must become even handed first in the situation instead of highly favoring Israel over Palestine. My solution would be would be to sit down with the leaders of Israel and Palestine and work on agreeing to a compromise, the compromise would consist of Israel controlling a certain amount of land, Palestine controlling a certain amount of land and Israel and Palestine co controlling religious sites.

[Marinepilot]

Sit down, cut a workable deal for both sides. Shake hands,
And each side keeps their word. However, I'm way more
sympathetic to the Palestinians as they got fucked royally
with the creation of Israel. Also, as obnoxious and arrogant
as the Jews tend to be, they bring on the persecution they endure.
And they deserve it.

[Phoenix98]

Eventually they will come to a peace agreement but that won't happen for at least roughly 4-10 years after that the real war will begin.

In the meantime Israel will just fight against Palestine and vice versa and there is nothing anyone can do about that.

[qdoek]

A two state solution would be the closest to relative peace. It will never be completely peaceful, the Palestinians do not and will never accept the existence of Israel. Therefore there will always be terrorist attacks, fights, wars in Gaza and such. We don't even know what would happen to the Westbank if Israel leaves. There could be a struggle for power between Hamas and the PLO.

[qdoek]

Knowing that an independent Palestinian state is doomed to fail, it could be that they are just going to blame Israel, like the Arabs usually do, and start attacking Israelis once again.

[suckitbe]

Well, my first answer would be exodus of the Arab muslims, but that would just create refugee camps, Saudi maddrassas and taliban style fanatics, but since the status quo can only lead to international condemnation and the arabs breeding until it's a veritable South Africa situation is begin putting sterilization drugs in their water supply. Along with assasination of their leaders and infiltration of Israeli agents. They're animals anyway

[ISaythereaint]

completely obliterate Palestine. after all, l isreal contributes more. One side has to win, otherwise theyll keep fighting. At least the rest of the world can get along with isreal as a trading partner (sorta like what was done in Sri Lanka to end the war). The society is simply more developed, although they are biased. ) Sad, but one side has to win.

[ISaythereaint]

I know, life isn't fair. But lets face it, despite those pretty fairytails we hear growing up, reality doesn't have clear good and bad guys. Life isn't fair. Sacrifice now so that peace will be accomplished in the long term. Absorb and help those who leave on their own.

[ISaythereaint]

Someone has to be the bad guy, and end the war completely.
Its cause they are behaving and listening to the UN that the war isn't ending.
They are making it look like war is something that can be talked out.
Kill those stubborn leaders as well.

[ISaythereaint]

Secretly, of course. Its clear now that these old men will start wars, and send young people to fight them.

[ISaythereaint]

The old will cultivate hate in the young.

[Blitzkrieger]

There is no possible solution. The jews think they are gods chosen people and muslims believe they have the most updated and complete faith. Both of them have aspects not unlike supremacy. To break down their dogma is to forsake their faith. They will continue fighting until either side has underwent a complete genocide.

[TripleAce]

Force everyone to interbreed and mix up the DNA so much that there is no Israel and Palestine anymore

It's now Ispalestine
Deal with it, now what... Lets all sing kumbaya and call it a day

[tyber1]

Assuming I had the power to do so, I'd cut the country in two and threaten to attack them both if they can't sustain the peace on my terms.

[Tarvold]

Trade sanctions on Israel until they get back within their borders. After a year, if they still don't withdraw the settlements, then drone strike the settlements.

Drone strikes on any Palestinians attacking Israel in the mean time.

[TiffyPuff]

They're always going to be killing each other, so I say just don't get involved unless one of them is going to cause a nuclear war.

[Nojudge]

Well, I would have kick everybody outta of Jerusalem and turned the town into history industry... No residences there anymore and keep peace!

[countrydude]

Palestine to leave the Jews alone or suffer consequence. Israel and Jerusalem belong to the Jewish people.

[LittleAmyP]

Punish Palestina for every bomb they launch and punish Israel for every time they're invate and anexate parts of Palestina.

[bibi3pu]

i'd clear everyone out and nuke it to prove gods are not real and people fighting over arid land is stupid

[tyber1]

That'd be the ultimate trolling victory, a big middle finger to all religions. It's kinda beautiful in a horribly destructive and barbaric way.

[Izumiblu]

My solution is to leave it like it is. The Palestinians and Israelis deserve one another.

[ThisDudeHere]

Just rearrange it. Divide Israel in two horizontally, the Jews take the part where Jerusalem is.

[sjoes006]

They have no right to it.

[Iraqveteran666]

@sjoes006 they have the only right. Just like Constantinople belongs to the Greeks.

[ThisDudeHere]

@sjoes006 then move them both to the edge of the Sahara and demolish the whole city once and for all. Everyone loses, which is equal.

[sjoes006]

@Iraqveteran666 it belongs to the Turks.

[Iraqveteran666]

@sjoes006 just like Israel and Jerusalem belongs to the Jew. To the victors goes the spoils of war.

[sjoes006]

@Iraqveteran666 it does not. Even pretending it was taken whole by war is wrong. It is disputed territory.

In my one state theory ideally Jerusalem belongs to no country or religion. It can be set up as independent like the Vatican except any all all religions that want to make claim to it may have a temple there.

[Ghassan2]

Dear Jews, get the fuck out and live in a new place, build a new country for yourself. Palestine was never theirs.

[MementoMori_]

There has never in the history of the world been any nation named Palestine. So how could a nation that never existed have any borders or sovereign rights?

The imaginary nation of "Palestine" had no currency, no language and no government. Why? Because it's about as real as unicorns and the Lost city of Atlantis.

[Ghassan2]

@MementoMori_ They had a currency, a language, a government, a religion and borders too. They have been terrorized for over 80 or 90 years now. Even if what you said is right, what's your point? It was a land of Arabs and Jews decided it's theirs.

[MementoMori_]

@Ghassan2
Name the currency, describe the government... give your sources with documentation for both.

[Ghassan2]

@MementoMori_ They have the Jordanian Dinar and the Egyptian Pound. I don't remember where I read it, but it's well known by most Arabs. Even though what's the point, what gives Jews the right to terrorize them for nearly a century?

[MementoMori_]

"It was a land of Arabs and Jews decided it's theirs."

That is false. It was a no-mans land prior to 1947 which in part was owned by Egypt but mostly not owned by anyone because no one wanted it. It was a useless barren wasteland of nomads before the Israeli's made it into an oasis in the dessert and one of the most productive and desirable pieces of land in the Middle East. Even if you don't want to believe in the Bible and that God promised this land to the Jews, there are plenty of other reasons why they Jews have a legitimate claim. The Jews have had a continuous presence on there since Biblical times even after they were driven out in the Exodus, they legally purchased large tracts of the land from their Arab owners, they were legally granted a large part of the current Israel by a duly recognized and authorized international body of law and they acquired the rest by pushing back when they were illegally attacked by surrounding Muslim countries multiple times in a defensive war.

[Ghassan2]

@MementoMori_ No, that's not the case, Jew gangs started to create temptation the war.

[MementoMori_]

Baloney. Give your sources. You are making it up as you go. In 1947 United Nations Resolution 181 legally granted a large portion of today's Israel to the Jewish people and established the legal nation of Israel. Israel was then immediately attacked by 7 surrounding barbaric Muslim countries in an illegal war of aggression against Israel. Since then these countries have ganged up on Israel and attacked it several other times each time losing the wars even though they outnumbered the Israelis by at least 100 to one. No one even wanted the land Israel acquired before the Israelis turned the useless dessert there into a beautiful country. They bought a lot of that land for nothing from Arabs who owned it because it was worthless when the Israelis acquired it. Now that the Israelis turned it into the most valuable real estate in the region the Muslims are trying to steal it from them. Bad news for these Muslim terrorists... NEVER AGAIN!

[Ghassan2]

@MementoMori_ You're like the person who shuts his eyes and says I don't see what you're pointing at. If you simply google it you'll find your answer, but you only search for what you want justified. There are lots of evidence that what the Jews are doing is pure evil. Killing Palestinian civilians everyday isn't what should be happening and not what Israel have promised, as they said they aren't gonna kill civilians, but they actually do that on a daily basis. You don't want to find the truth you just want to justify what you believe is right. Good luck with that.

[MementoMori_]

Baloney. Your mind is polluted with false propaganda and you aren't interested in the facts. There is no point talking to you.

[askaway2012new]

1-More than five million Palestinian refugees must return to their former homes.
2-Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews "settlers" must go back to central and eastern Europe.
Problem solved.

[Iraqveteran666]

The Palestinians are Arab settlers who need to return to Arab lands

[reptocarl]

Nuke Syria off the map then give it to the Palestinians

[Iraqveteran666]

The other muslim. Countries won't let the Palestinians leave

[reptocarl]

@Iraqveteran666 what gets me is their Muslim brothers expect Israel to accommodate them but they do nothing to help them at all. Egypt keeps the border closed and doesn't want them either

[einsatz]

give everything to the Israelis and kick the squatters out.👋👣👣👣

[codyccc]

Kill every religious person on earth that will solve most of are problems

[llorando]

Or just kill every politician and destroy every government who uses religion do divide people.

[sjoes006]

Single state with equal citizenship. The Israelis would be out numbered.

[Iraqveteran666]

And the Palestinians and neighbouring muslim peoples could drive them into the see like the first tried in 1948 when they first attacked the Israelis which resulted in the loss of Palestinian land.

[sjoes006]

@Iraqveteran666 they were welcomed at first. They became bad actors. Your country should have never placed them there in the first place. It osnttheor land. They can learn to get along or leave. No more of this recruiting more people to the area shit.

American and French citizens moving to Israel is absurd.

[Iraqveteran666]

They already lived there. They have lived there for thousands of years the muslims were just another invader and oppressor. But yes the large numbers of Jews returning home helped matters. The Jews were giving a tiny piece of land to self govern that they lived in but the Arabs could not accept that because they wanted to dominate other people's just as they always have.

[sjoes006]

@Iraqveteran666 this is factually incorrect. The U. K. rehomed them to the area at the end of WW II

[Iraqveteran666]

Actually it was the end of ww1 when the ottomans lost the holy land and most of the Middle East to the French and British. After ww2 to keep the peace Britain was preventing Jews from entering, that's why the Jews were launching terror attacks against them. The Jews of Palestine were instrumental in holding Palestine as a lot of Arabs in the middleeast were revolting and leaders were making deals with the Nazis. The soviets actually armed the Jews with Palestine often with excellent nazi equipment including bf109's while the Arabs used brittish equipment. The Jews of Palestine had a lot of well trained officers and men veterans of ww2 and serving with every allied army.

[sjoes006]

@Iraqveteran666 My bad. Britains reign of terror began In 1917.

www.telegraph.co.uk/.../...-sins-in-Palestine.html

I hate to point fingers and that isn't the point. The point is the Israelis have no business there. There is no Israel. THERE IS NO ISRAEL.

I'll support them when they decide to do the right thing and end this apartheid state. I DON'T SUPPORT APATHEID. and even Ex Prime Ministers admit that is what they have created.

I'm not for either religion but I am for Human Rights. I simply can't support a state that doesn't allow for them. This is no different than South Africa and we must look it in the face for what it is.

[Iraqveteran666]

There is no Palestine. There never was a PALESTINE!!! It's no apartheid the Palestinians have their country the Israelites have there's. The Palestinians lost their land through a war they started and genocide the attempted.

[Iraqveteran666]

The only comparison to south Africa is of a people throwing off their oppressors and ruling themselves

[Phoenix98]

Technically Israel is already outnumbered from a military standpoint if Palestine under normal circumstances would crush Israel if it were any other nation on earth. But Palestine will never destroy Israel.

And technically that land has been Israel's long before Palestine was Palestine, Israel has been on that land since it was known as the land of Canaan.

Also Palestine had the chance to actually legally posses the land and make it part of Palestine but never did.

[KnightCross]

making both of them Christian. that's the final solution that will bring peace to both of them

[KnightCross]

that is, Jews acknowledging Jesus as their Messiah and muslims of Palestine converting to Christianity. but i guess this will only happen in the End of Times with the return of Jesus

[jacquesvol]

The UN proposed it in 1947 but self appointed 'Palestinians' never accepted it.

[skeptic002]

that is GODS special area
anyone coming against it gets shot in the head

[tyber1]

Your God is a story people made up thousands of years ago because they didn't understand earthquakes, floods, weather, mental illness, germs, etc.

[skeptic002]

@tyber1

show me

[tyber1]

Burden of proof is on people who make a claim, in this case the claim is that God exists. But it's pretty obvious when you look at the polytheistic religions that came before that they had a different God for everything they couldn't explain. Monotheism just clumps them all together and whenever science does explain something religions backpedal and pretend they didn't have it wrong the whole time. God's paradise, the Earth, was placed smack dab in the center of the universe because it was just so special amirite?

[skeptic002]

@tyber1

you are talking to the wrong believer im not like them
there is no universe

Job 37:18
Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAcp3BFBYw4&t=2s

Isaiah 40:22
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out
as a TENT to dwell in

you wanna trust these guys have fun bro
robschannel.com/.../NASA-deceive.jpg

www.youtube.com/watch

but I know the truth

[tyber1]

"There is no universe"

https://imgur.com/a/FxwPX

[tyber1]

I love when religious nut jobs make it so easy to make themselves look like nut jobs, I barely have to make an argument at all. Just notch down another victory for the atheists.

[Oldchemical]

Remove uncle Sam from the stage and the problem will be solved, one way or the other.

[Nightinggale]

Send the ones who want to kill one another to Antarctica and let them kill eachother off.

[helloitsmethere]

How long had they have this conflict?

[Toad-1]

since 1947

[helloitsmethere]

Damn...

[qdoek]

1967, Israel took over the Westbank which Jordan previously illegally occupied. Israel also took over Gaza in a war with Egypt.

[helloitsmethere]

@qdoek That is just fucking insane man... this conflict needs to end somehow..

[qdoek]

It is extremely complicated. For example, Israel wants Jerusalem to never be divided again and they will not negotiate peace if the Palestinians don't accept that. Palestinians want Jerusalem as capital and have other demands which Israel does not like. Then we have the case of right of the area and other things.

[behnam1999]

It's going to be solved soon!

[kamfani1]

The only solution is when God to intervened

[Iraqveteran666]

A giant wall around Israel to separate them.

[Ghassan2]

Jews actually believe in their religion that Palestine is theirs and not just Palestine but a huge peace of land from East of Iran all the way to west of Africa, which is insane.

[Iraqveteran666]

@Ghassan2 some do most don't. For most it's about a homeland free from attack or oppression. Many remember the attack and threat of genocide back in 1948 and the holocaust of course. I met and African American at college who believes that the slaves taken to America were the real Jews and that they are separate from other Africans. I met quite a few muslims that believe in converting or killing all non believers and turning all countries to Islamic calliphates, they hope that all Jews return to Israel so they won't have to hunt them down around the world.

[Ghassan2]

You saying that you met Muslims believing in killing non Muslims or converting them is ridiculous. Muslims don't believe in that. Even the Quran doesn't say so.

[Iraqveteran666]

@Ghassan2 I didn't say all muslims. The quran is like the Bible a preacher can find a verse for everything. Historically it's how Islam was spread. Don't get me started on some Christians and their beliefs.

[realworld2017]

Move Israel to USA and be done with it.

[Dred1614returns]

Leave it like it is.
#IstandwithIsrael

[anonypsycho]

Tso states solution.

[anonypsycho]

two*

[Seppel]

two states

[LogicBomber]

Get rid of religion.

[dogfish]

coexistence